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Travel doesn't have to be expensive
You underestimate the value of travel in and of itself, I can't explain to you why a painting pleases the eye
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Exactly. You can't put a value on raw experience. And travel can definitely be done on the cheap.
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Re: Advice on travelling? [Re: Shroomism]
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no i don't. like i said, which apparently your selective vision missed...i find travel to be enlightening...i just don't have to travel far. you seem to have a problem with that. sorry. i didn't mean for my expounding to trigger this sort of confrontation.
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Shroomism said: Exactly. You can't put a value on raw experience. And travel can definitely be done on the cheap.
EXACTLY. that's what i am saying. i will travel anywhere, and will feel the effects and the value of that travel. where do we disagree?
that travelling Europe is "cheap", i presume. cause it ain't. if it's so cheap...why aren't you travelling all those aforementioned destinations, right now? (PS: i know, negative, right? but i didn't say that travelling Europe and the globe is cheap...i know i didn't say that.) (though, i did say, that travelling on the cheap isn't as revelating or as valuable, or as immersive, as travelling with monies to experience the culture at it's fullest. -- at least not for me. for me, i can get what i'd get from that, by simply staying in country, and travelling within.)
my point is: that travelling abroad is not always feasible and is not always necessary, because travelling in-country can be just as fulfilling.
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Re: Advice on travelling? [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: I assume you've been around the world 3 or 4 times to be able to make these claims that everywhere is basically the same and it's all escapism?
the flora and fauna are different. i said that already. i said "NATURE stays the same". thus the nature of the embodiment of travel (and it's effects) remains the same between ten miles, twenty miles, a hundred miles, a thousand miles; my point is it doesn't matter how far and wide you do...at least, in my opinion.
if you want to see different wildlife, different geography, different architecture (my favorite), you can...it's great fun. but the nature of the planet remains the same, thus there is no need to run to Japan to feel freer, or better, or whatever words you want to ascribe to the feeling of being somewhere different than where you'd normally be...not at all. the feeling is mutual between there and home. it's just that you get bored of home, and/or just don't feel like you should limit yourself to just home...but home is everywhere. Japan is home to people whom reside there. you resided there once. which was better? visiting there, or living there? please, answer honestly now. i know the answer already.
my point is: that travelling abroad is not always feasible and is not always necessary, because travelling in-country can be just as fulfilling.
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Shroomism said: I don't wear underwear and they aren't in a twist, I'm just making observations. Travel can be expensive yes but it doesn't have to be. I traveled all around the US on nothing. I moved to CA with $40 in my pocket. But I'm cool like that because I have street knowledge and stuff.. you know, from traveling. But it's all bullshit right. You can get a plane ticket to Iceland for $99.
This post made me feel like skipping town, I'm holding out against the weather though
I've moved with $20 in my pocket a few times, usually around $200, but I always know someone in the area Looking to travel a lot more, rely more on camping and meeting new people
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akira_akuma said: don't have to travel far
that travelling Europe is "cheap", i presume. cause it ain't. if it's so cheap...why aren't you travelling all those aforementioned destinations, right now?
Traveling to another country literally isn't in the same realm as traveling within a country, its a different experience, you're comparing walking to the kitchen to vising your neighbor.
Going to Europe is tempting, I would want to stay if I left in the near future, so there is difficulty with the Schengen immigration laws. Especially as Europe is dealing with mass illegal migration... Basically putting Europe on the backburner while I travel the states more. Money isn't the issue, within practical boundaries.
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Traveling to another country literally isn't in the same realm as traveling within a country, its a different experience
wrong. the feeling is mutual between all countries. someone visiting the states from Japan, they'll feel they've entered "a new realm", just the same as you feel when you enter their "realm". but the thing is, it's all just Earth. 
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I don't wear underwear and they aren't in a twist, I'm just making observations.
well, as am i. but i'm not misconstruing anyone else's observations, at least no one has made that explicitly clear to me -- which i think there is a good reason why....
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Travel can be expensive yes but it doesn't have to be. I traveled all around the US on nothing. I moved to CA with $40 in my pocket. But I'm cool like that because I have street knowledge and stuff.. you know, from traveling.
that isn't what you were talking about earlier, however. you were talking about travel outside of one's country, no? that's what i thought i was reading earlier.
PS: is Iceland cheap? where else is cheap? give me to down-low, the 411....
PPS: my point is: that travelling abroad is not always feasible and is not always necessary, because travelling in-country can be just as fulfilling.
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the flora and fauna are different. i said that already. i said "NATURE stays the same". thus the nature of the embodiment of travel (and it's effects) remains the same between ten miles, twenty miles, a hundred miles, a thousand miles; my point is it doesn't matter how far and wide you do...at least, in my opinion.
This is like saying one painting is the same as another because they're both paintings.
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no, it isn't. the nature of travelling and feelings of well-being due to travelling, traversing, hiking, ect ect, is not akin to the nature of painting or of paintings. wrong again.
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Your perspective on travel is arbitrarily boring and colorblind.
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Traveling to another country literally isn't in the same realm as traveling within a country, its a different experience
wrong. the feeling is mutual between all countries. someone visiting the states from Japan, they'll feel they've entered "a new realm", just the same as you feel when you enter their "realm". but the thing is, it's all just Earth. 
Have you been to Japan? It might as well be a different Universe. Again, how much have you seen the world? You're making all these bold statements but what are you drawing it from Have you heard the term Culture shock? Have you ever had it?
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Re: Advice on travelling? [Re: Shroomism]
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yes, i have experienced that. not to the extent of visiting the Louvre or anything...but i see culture and am shocked, at times. Japan is immense. i am near Japanophile. i mean, not really. Japanese chicks are not like "a thing" or anything, and i don't watch animes and shit like i used to ... don't even listen to too much Japanese music, these days. but i constantly like to learn about the culture, and it's proponents and dissidents. their history is fascinating, for various reasons, and...i mean, have you seen their Cool enterprising scheme? it's brilliant! Shibuya is head-splittingly immense.
being in Shibuya would be akin to being on a mild mushroom trip, at the very least.
love Japan. it'd be the first place i'd visit. i don't think it's gonna change my life or my worldview or anything, though.
my point is: that travelling abroad is not always feasible and is not always necessary, because travelling in-country can be just as fulfilling.
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Changed my life. And Chinatown is not the same as visiting China. Nor is eating Korean food in America the same as eating food in Korea. Shibuya is a fucking trip. I've been to a million ramen places but none of them come close to the amazingness of the ramen I had in Japan. Some come sort of close but no. All the food for that matter. I will remember it until I die.
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Repertoire89 said: Your perspective on travel is arbitrarily boring and colorblind.

what the fuck would you know? you can't even differentiate what i am talking about. you say you travel within the US more than anything...so you're a proponent, like me, of travelling within your own countries borders...you are not calling yourself boring...so maybe try and actually understand what is being said here. i mean, clearly, you can't be calling your own travels within the US, boring...right? right?
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Shroomism said: Changed my life. And Chinatown is not the same as visiting China. Nor is eating Korean food in America the same as eating food in Korea. Shibuya is a fucking trip.
i wouldn't want to visit China, because to me, it looks like a more Asian Canada. their festivities are bad ass, though. and i do like Chinese ritual ceremony...but not enough to buy a ticket.
same with Korea...i'll save on all those expenses...and just go to Japan. 
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I've been to a million ramen places but none of them come close to the amazingness of the ramen I had in Japan. Some come sort of close but no. All the food for that matter. I will remember it until I die.
for reasons!^
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And Chinatown is not the same as visiting China.
i never made an argument that would equate to "there is a replica of this far away land, in my country, i'll go there instead, it's all the same!"
you know that, though, right? i just said that travelling abroad is not always feasible and is not always necessary, because travelling in-country can be just as fulfilling. you KNOW this Shroomism, i know you know that's what i said, in so many words.
i repeat: my point is: that travelling abroad is not always feasible and is not always necessary, because travelling in-country can be just as fulfilling.
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Repertoire89 said: Your perspective on travel is arbitrarily boring and colorblind.

what the fuck would you know? you can't even differentiate what i am talking about. you say you travel within the US more than anything...so you're a proponent, like me, of travelling within your own countries borders...you are not calling yourself boring...so maybe try and actually understand what is being said here. i mean, clearly, you can't be calling your own travels within the US, boring...right? right?
Still doubling down on this bullshit?
Your "point" is a meandering drip running through pages of dribble, and you're complaining about someone not understanding you?
I've been across Western Europe, the US and Canada, and haven't spent more than a year in one city in a decade. Stay in your hole out there, your shit gets old fast.
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yes, you really should get personally offended. out of pure necessity, i'm sure.
you've travelled in the US. great, you're a proponent like me for being able to travel within your borders and still get something out of it. the fact that you are doing just what i said was good and fine and dandy, just goes to show how little you've managed to comprehend in this exchange. and your lack of comprehension of nuance.
you travelled within your countries borders, and you do so because it perks your well-being, or what have you. just like i said: it's a fine thing to do. one need not travel abroad to achieve the well-being of travelling. you've proven my point. you just keep getting offended though. it suits you, nomad.
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and haven't spent more than a year in one city in a decade. Stay in your hole out there, your shit gets old fast.
PS: yes, i am not a nomad like you, so hence i live in a hole...even though you've travelled to this hole, and presumably enjoyed it. i'm guessing by "hole" you don't mean "shithole" but really an awesome hole of coolness.
or it's just more misapprehending foolish rhetoric from an unsurprising source.
*note: ambiguity: response: fill holes with butthurt about how offended i am over someone saying something i can't fully perceive or grasp*
mission accomplished, nomad.
PS: my point is: that travelling abroad is not always feasible and is not always necessary, because travelling in-country can be just as fulfilling.
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akira_akuma said: yes, you really should get personally offended.
There's a difference between being annoyed and being offended
Like being disgusted versus angry or afraid
Your posts belong in the former category
Not much different than when some random person's frufru dog starts nipping at your ankles and yapping
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disgusted, and annoying, all the same. your choice in the matter. i never said anything that was annoying. you simply perceived it that way. i'd ask for you to point out a single instance of me saying something "annoying", but it'd be a futile cause, wouldn't it?
you wanna be annoyed, be annoyed. it's not my fault opinions annoy you. i mean, you like travel alot. i get it...you still haven't shown me anything however. and by the by, you never have to respond to my posts you know. you can ignore them, if you find them annoying. (PS: but it's not just that really, you find my "perspective" "bland". oh well. i'm sure my blithe perspective really does annoy you, but why? why does an opinion annoy you? why can't you reason with logic, as opposed to emotions in this instance? is it because your worldview revolves around this aspect of yourself? again, sorry, but i wasn't ever addressing you. if i was, personally, i might have made a somewhat different point. you don't know my perspective. you don't know me worth a shit...you know me less than the people you meet on the streets, looking to busk on the corner.)
he has a bland perspective on things cause he said something i didn't like about things which he was referring to that i didn't grasp. someone please, shut him up, shut him up before he corrupts the youth of America!

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Not much different than when some random person's frufru dog starts nipping at your ankles and yapping
where are the heels in this metaphor? this thread is your heels, is that it? i said something negative about travel (it's too expensive, and not worth the cost most of time, to travel abroad, and that you can travel in-country and get the same well-being out of that experience, but at less of the cost. oh man REAL ANNOYING!!!! GOD DAMN ANNOYING FACTS!) -- i say something negative about travel (in general, the most general) and it's uh oh! stop nipping at my heels! again, sorry i was negative about your nomadic ways, even though i wasn't ever addressing you or your preferences. 
this was fun. seeing you overreact. LOL
my point is: that travelling abroad is not always feasible and is not always necessary, because travelling in-country can be just as fulfilling.
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moonrockmushy said: Yeah watch out for terrorists too. Most people that stay in hostels are communists.
Are they also the gay?
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akira_akuma said: disgusted, and annoying, all the same. your choice in the matter. i never said anything that was annoying. you simply perceived it that way. i'd ask for you to point out a single instance of me saying something "annoying", but it'd be a futile cause, wouldn't it?
you wanna be annoyed, be annoyed. it's not my fault opinions annoy you. i mean, you like travel alot. i get it...you still haven't shown me anything however. and by the by, you never have to respond to my posts you know. you can ignore them, if you find them annoying. (PS: but it's not just that really, you find my "perspective" "bland". oh well. i'm sure my blithe perspective really does annoy you, but why? why does an opinion annoy you? why can't you reason with logic, as opposed to emotions in this instance? is it because your worldview revolves around this aspect of yourself? again, sorry, but i wasn't ever addressing you. if i was, personally, i might have made a somewhat different point. you don't know my perspective. you don't know me worth a shit...you know me less than the people you meet on the streets, looking to busk on the corner.)
he has a bland perspective on things cause he said something i didn't like about things which he was referring to that i didn't grasp. someone please, shut him up, shut him up before he corrupts the youth of America!

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Not much different than when some random person's frufru dog starts nipping at your ankles and yapping
where are the heels in this metaphor? this thread is your heels, is that it? i said something negative about travel (it's too expensive, and not worth the cost most of time, to travel abroad, and that you can travel in-country and get the same well-being out of that experience, but at less of the cost. oh man REAL ANNOYING!!!! GOD DAMN ANNOYING FACTS!) -- i say something negative about travel (in general, the most general) and it's uh oh! stop nipping at my heels! again, sorry i was negative about your nomadic ways, even though i wasn't ever addressing you or your preferences. 
this was fun. seeing you overreact. LOL
my point is: that travelling abroad is not always feasible and is not always necessary, because travelling in-country can be just as fulfilling.
Good god, there's no way I'm going to read that.
This is what I find annoying, arbitrary contrarianism worked into page long, seemingly aimless rambles.
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One thing to consider when traveling is to have a goal in the country you visit.
When I went to thailand my goal was to study meditation and yoga at an ashram.
If I went again my goal would be to take muay thai classes (and fuck some hot thai peoples )
Lots of people go to teach english as a second language.
Or to volunteer at an elephant sanctuary.
Anywhere I went I would want to study the local martial art- jujitsu in brazil, judo in japan etc.
Or the local spirituality (ashrams, temples, meditation, yoga etc)
Or whatever.
In peru my goal would be to do ayahuasca sessions and smoke DMT.
Just sayign there is something about having a goal and a destination that makes trips more structured and grounded and that can be good.
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