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Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow
    #23722156 - 10/09/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What's up I'm ya boy petey mcenroe! I've been a long time lurker n am finally starting my first real mushroom grow. I'm going with cubes and cyanescens. You may be asking yourself why a total newb would even dream about a cyanescens grow? Well because I live in the pnw and all I'm doing is creating spawn for outdoor cultivation.  It's not like I'm in Florida and trying an indoor grow LOL!!

So 2 weeks ago I did up the pf tek substituting Verm with alder sawdust n that's going very slow or getting contamination before any real growth happens, n at the same time I inoculated a brf jar with the same syringe n I have much better growth so today I made 14 jars to inoculate with my last two cyanescens syringes. Any left over spore solution will be made into a LC to be added to my outdoor bins, so because it's all for outdoor use it will not be as sterile as I should be if I were to use it for indoor use. Basically what I want to do is create my own patch. Some would say go out n hunt n use stem butts, and even though it would be quite easy to find them this time of year, my wife isn't having any part of me hunting wild shrooms, so as they say happy wife happy life I purchased syringes.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23722189 - 10/09/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So here are my cyanescens jars I did up. As you can see the sawdust spawn jars grow very slow and you can see some green mold growing. So these will be tossed into my bins outside. Others that are not contaminated will be left to grow until fully colonized and then spawned to my bins. The brf jar is close to fully colonized so from now on I will be using brf pf tek jars to create spawn.



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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23722215 - 10/09/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Now for the cubes. These of course will be grown indoors. I have had a few jars contaminate on me so as a way to not waste them, I used them as spawn for outdoor use. I dont know if it will work or not, but I had em so why not try. It didn't cost me anymore to experiment than I had already spent to get it going, so why not? If I get a few cubes next summer, I'll be a happy camper.



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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23722234 - 10/09/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And here are my outdoor bins. The large bin is for cubes and the two small are for cyanescens.

I used strait compost for the cube bin and a mix of Scott's nature scape, compost, alder sawdust, and hardwood chips for the cyanescens bins. I also had some cardboard tek mycelium from last year when I was gifted some ovoids I forgot about mixed in there too. I dont know if it will effect it negatively or not but either way some sort of mushrooms will hopefully grow from it.



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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23723415 - 10/09/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Another way I plan to spread cyanescens around is the same way this guy does with morels. I plan to take a few fully colonized jars, blend them up, bubble for a day or so, dilute and spread all over. I figure it will work the same since they are both a wood loving mushroom. In theory it it should work the same, but I'm a newb, so it may not and this is all wishful thinking.



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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23723583 - 10/09/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am not much less of a newb myself, and I definitely can't speak on the cyans, but I wouldn't recommend freestyling any teks, you can probably see why from your slow growth and contams.

Also MS to LC is NOT ADVISED that much I do know. Spores are dirty no matter how "cleanly" they were taken. That combined with the difficulty of spotting contams before its too late makes LC a more advanced thing. Start with agar before making LC or you will be risking wasting your last spores on contams!


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: MortySmith]
    #23724935 - 10/10/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There wasn't any freestyle going on here man. I followed teks I found here. I used a PC and inoculated the jars in a SAB.

https://www.shroomery.org/8673/Erics-Guide-To-Cultivating-Psilocybe-Azurescens-Cyanescens

As for the LC, if this was for indoor use, I 100% agree. I would most definitely go agar first. But this is for outdoor use. All I want to do is germinate some spores and spread them around my yard. I can't control the contamination outside at all, and I cant grow these inside, so what's to loose? Spores are cheep n if I need to buy another syringe, I will.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23725380 - 10/10/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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There wasn't any freestyle going on here man. I followed teks I found here. I used a PC and inoculated the jars in a SAB.

https://www.shroomery.org/8673/Erics-Guide-To-Cultivating-Psilocybe-Azurescens-Cyanescens

As for the LC, if this was for indoor use, I 100% agree. I would most definitely go agar first. But this is for outdoor use. All I want to do is germinate some spores and spread them around my yard. I can't control the contamination outside at all, and I cant grow these inside, so what's to loose? Spores are cheep n if I need to buy another syringe, I will.




That is listed right under questionable techniques, which I would argue is basically freestyling. If its not in the message board forums, its not up to date info. That tek is archived because it is old and outdated, and questionable because, as you now know, it doesn't consistently work.

And about the LC, you are misunderstanding. The reason LC is not advised is because of contamination within the LC itself, not contams outside. Think about it, you are making your LC with with a MS syringe. If that LC is contaminated, it doesn't matter where your substrate is growing, it (probably) won't colonize. Since you are using MS, it would most likely be contaminated, and you would never know. Why waste all that time when you can start from agar and have it guaranteed?

Also I am not quite following, how would this spread cyans around and allow them to grow? You said you are blending cakes, sounds like a slurry. That is a really advanced tek for LI, but you need to use that LI to inoculate some substrate. I guess I don't see what you are using for your substrate in that scenario.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23725506 - 10/10/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I must not be explaining myself well, so I apologize. Did you watch the video I posted? He used wild mushrooms n blended em up n did what I want to do n now has a yard full of morels. I dont see why it wouldn't work the same for cyanescens. I may be over simplifying it.

I posed my substrate a couple posts back. I also have landscaped my yard with wood chips.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23725633 - 10/10/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, I see what you mean now. I was under the impression that morels were drastically different in terms of cultivation, which is why the process only gives you mushrooms after a long time and has to be done outside, I don't know though. Even with outdoor grows, at least with cubes, I thought everything had to be pasteurized and that clean spawn was necessary? I am not sure.

I still think my point about the LC stands. The reason I say to not do it with your last spores is because there is no guarantee that the LC they make won't be contaminated. There would be no way to tell until you started growing it and then you will have wasted a lot of time and have to start over when you could have a bunch of 100% clean cultures stored up on plates by that time, if my understanding of agar is correct anyways. I am just starting with it myself, but it seems to be far superior to MS and can turn one syringe into doezens of clean cultures, which can then be used to start grains, LC, LI, etc. I think your last spores would be better spent on that. :smile:


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: MortySmith]
    #23725675 - 10/10/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I am not much less of a newb myself, and I definitely can't speak on the cyans, but I wouldn't recommend freestyling any teks, you can probably see why from your slow growth and contams.

Also MS to LC is NOT ADVISED that much I do know. Spores are dirty no matter how "cleanly" they were taken. That combined with the difficulty of spotting contams before its too late makes LC a more advanced thing. Start with agar before making LC or you will be risking wasting your last spores on contams!




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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23725882 - 10/10/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If people can toss contaminated substrate outside and get a flush off it, then why would what I'm doing not work? Also if new patches of cyans get started from cardboard tek with stem butts, then why would this not work? I'm very curious.

In addition to the sawdust pf tek jars I already proofed that it didn't work well with a side by side experiment and am moving forward with what did work well.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23727707 - 10/11/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If people can toss contaminated substrate outside and get a flush off it, then why would what I'm doing not work?



If your plan is to grow contaminated substrate that may or may not produce anything worthwhile, then yes, you are headed in the right direction. I don't know where you are getting this idea that outdoor growing suddenly means you don't have to worry about any contamination. Those people were lucky that their contaminated subs were able to fruit, putting them outside was most likely the last resort to keep the mold spores away from their clean stuff and still give what healthy mycelium there was a chance to fruit. I have no clue why you would actually want those kind of results though.

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In addition to the sawdust pf tek jars I already proofed that it didn't work well with a side by side experiment and am moving forward with what did work well.



The BRF cakes worked well because that is a proven and recommended tek, you should stick with those for everything else as well.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: MortySmith]
    #23728009 - 10/11/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't mean using contaminated jars. I used that as an example. I'm using clean jars as spawn. And I've now said a few times that the sawdust jars didn't work and am sticking with the brf jars. I did up 14 last night.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23728525 - 10/11/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't mean using contaminated jars. I used that as an example. I'm using clean jars as spawn.



Lol I don't get what we are talking about then. Don't use dirty LC either? That is what I have been trying to tell you...


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23730667 - 10/12/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If people can toss contaminated substrate outside and get a flush off it, then why would what I'm doing not work? Also if new patches of cyans get started from cardboard tek with stem butts, then why would this not work? I'm very curious.

In addition to the sawdust pf tek jars I already proofed that it didn't work well with a side by side experiment and am moving forward with what did work well.




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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23732168 - 10/12/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I dumped one of those contaminated jars here a few days ago. I wonder what will happen here lol



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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23757600 - 10/21/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey trolls peep the mycelium growing.



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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: petey mcenroe]
    #23758291 - 10/21/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis grow [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23828832 - 11/13/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I took one of my brf jars that was fully colonized with cyans chopped it up a bit and buried the pieces over my flower bed so next year with any luck there will be mushrooms growing. I've mulched with Scott's nature scape and this area gets plenty of water all year so I'm thinking it should work out.




Next jar that is ready will be diced and spawned to woodchips and alder sawdust to be expanded and spread around my raised beds where I've also mulched walkways with Scott's nature scape. I will be adding more bags of mulch in the spring. My plan is to expand my spawn all winter indoors and in the spring spread it and cover it with more mulch so by next season my entire backyard is a decent patch.

I plan on getting the supplies to do agar this week and making up a batch of LC to start some new spawn. I've also made an order for some cyanescens and azurescens syringes to make a little variety in my yard to go with the ovoids I planted last summer. I did a little digging where I planted the cardboard spawn and it's growing nicely.  So with any luck I should be taken care of for all the mushrooms i could want within the next year or two without having to do much work. Now I just need to get my hands on some stuntzii and I'll be set with all I want and never have to do an indoor cube grow again.


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