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When you get the message
#23721594 - 10/09/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Allan Watts once famously said when you get the message hang up the phone.
So tell me shroomery what do you do when you get the message?
Me personally I keep asking questions till the day I die, I dont ever hang up that phone mother fucker!
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 6
#23721603 - 10/09/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hang up, and periodically pick up the phone when I need a reminder.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Dark_Star] 7
#23721609 - 10/09/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hang up the phone then immediately forget what the message was and what I was supposed to do, then go smoke some weed and beat off.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Dark_Star]
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in my mind thats the same thing as keep talking 
ive always felt that hang up the phone implies never go back again.
BUT it is worth mentioning a great friend of mine who is a very inteligent man once gave me an alternative interpretation of what the quote means which is something very interesting.
he said that he always pictured it as if when you hang up the phone your going out to bring the message to others and do the actual work behind what you heard, without implying that you dont take psychedelics more in the future just that you apply the lesson they give.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23721635 - 10/09/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What I think Alan Watts meant is when you get the message you hangf up the phone - then the time of talking has ended and you must put what you learned into practice.
Always keep asking, but put wgat you learned into practice or either you will quit tripping or the trip will quit you.
LSD is like a telescope and a microscope into one. An instrument to focus with inhuman reach and clarity. Only when you learn to do what LSD does as good as LSD does it, should you stop using LSD.
Don't EVER stop using telescopes, microscopes, periscopes and tinted glasses.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23721644 - 10/09/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly I have lost almost all inclination to use psychedelics in favor of meditation as I age.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 2
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It's definitely not the same thing. Keep talking is to continue taking the drugs despite it not going anywhere new. Just partying with it. This is usually coupled with not putting any of the insights to work. I did this extensively. Then I stopped, and did put things to work. Now sometimes I do just take it to party, but that's still only periodically. Normally I feel the need for a reset. Even when I'm taking it to party. That's why I look forward to it. Which is the real benefit IMO. Life is busy, and life had a tendency to suck one in & gum up the pipes so to speak. The occasional psychedelic allows me to take a step back & see things differently. Cleans out the pipes, washes away the bullshit & gives me a fresh perspective. I've been taking psychedelics for a long time. I've explored various forms of spirituality for even longer. I worked through some of the 12-steps. I've learned & grown a lot.....but I've yet to figure out how to maintain that fresh perspective....how to live life, enjoy life without the pipes getting clogged. Frankly, I'm skeptical that it's even possible. Seems like this is just how it is, and therefore those periodic refreshers are necessary. I love Allen Watts....but let's be honest; I don't think he had it all figured out either. He became an alcoholic later in life, and that's a symptom of internal discontent....of clogged pipes. He'd lost the plot somewhere. Just like you & I did, as is evident with our own battles with addiction.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Dark_Star]
#23721678 - 10/09/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It depends on what your saying into the phone man, when i talk into the phone i ask questions and try to explore the infinite mystery of things that by its very nature has no end, thus i feel i never really get THE message I just get a series of messages which i gain a little something from all of.
I feel like its silly to expect to get the answer to life from a psychedelic, psychedelics just give you bits and pieces of truths about reality.
Of course if someone is just talking about nonsense of unimportant hedonistic things that is not very progressive in the long run.
I do agree with everything in your last post though, and i use psychedelics in pretty much the same manner.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23721688 - 10/09/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always get a busy signal.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23721690 - 10/09/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got the message loud and clear. No choice but to hang up, which is rather unfortunate.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23721694 - 10/09/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theres always more to learn, maybe hanging up the phone is not the right words. You can still explore without the aid of drugs so there are totally other mediums to find the answers you look for. So maybe its more calling a different number rather than hanging up the phone.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: SonicTitan]
#23721710 - 10/09/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i dont want to mislead anyone into thinking i trip a lot, in fact i trip much less than most people on here.
but at the same time ive been tripping for almost 10 years and will never stop till the day i die.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23721718 - 10/09/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I diddnt think that. I used to trip a lot and still trip often but took a few years where it was only like once a year or less. I still use them for self exploration or discovery but also use them for pure recreation as well. I feel when you go in with too much of a prime directive or motive then it almost is not nearly as wonderful, or enjoyable as it should be. I hate having expectations but I do make points to use them as tools for my inner self. Tho I have kinda been in a honeymoon phase with psychedelics and MDMA for the past year hahaha. Kinda rediscovering that world again after so many years.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23721722 - 10/09/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..." - Alan Watts
So, that's the full context.
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Connoisseur said: It depends on what your saying into the phone man, when i talk into the phone i ask questions and try to explore the infinite mystery of things that by its very nature has no end, thus i feel i never really get THE message I just get a series of messages which i gain a little something from all of.
You shouldn't be saying anything into the phone. You should simply be listening. When you listen to the nature of the message without end you learn to appreciate and treasure your normal life that is with end. This is when you have 'received' the message and thus yearn to stop and smell the roses and can be 'transported' just by doing so. There is an end to this life and there is an infinite nature that lies beyond it. The message allows you to know this so that you are awakened in this life.
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Connoisseur said: I feel like its silly to expect to get the answer to life from a psychedelic, psychedelics just give you bits and pieces of truths about reality.
Of course if someone is just talking about nonsense of unimportant hedonistic things that is not very progressive in the long run.
I do agree with everything in your last post though, and i use psychedelics in pretty much the same manner.
It's not that its bits and pieces. It's that you're bits and pieces and thus will never maintain the entirety of the infinite in your current form. So, while mind blowing and amazing, you will never 'come back' with it all. Thus, the point is to become skillful in maintaining this in your sober yet awakened life. Once you get to this point and understanding, there really is no point in picking up the phone and dialing beyond recreation and that recreation will appear to be destructive and distracting once you are awakened.
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luvdemboomers said: I got the message loud and clear. No choice but to hang up, which is rather unfortunate.
^ When you hear this.. You know a person got the message. lol
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23721733 - 10/09/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You might stop. You're young yet, and things change. I personally feel that periodic trips are greatly beneficial, and I can see their place across a lifetime. But I can also see myself stopping at sometime. Things change across a lifetime.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: SonicTitan]
#23721738 - 10/09/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right on man, i would also like to take this thread/post to share my beliefs regaurding the different aplications and uses of plant medicines/teachers and synthetic/semisynthetic chemicals.
i do believe that plant medicines/teachers are inteligent and sacred beings who communicate with us with their actives through our neurological pathways thus bringing us the knowledge/healing/perspective they contain.
i do also believe that synthetic/semisynthetic chemicals can lead to spiritually enriching and mind opening/perspective shifting experiences but i do not believe that that is because they are leaving beings (duh they arent lol) i believe it is because they are keys that unlock those experiences within ourselves.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio]
#23721742 - 10/09/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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phio said: "Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..." - Alan Watts
So, that's the full context.
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Connoisseur said: It depends on what your saying into the phone man, when i talk into the phone i ask questions and try to explore the infinite mystery of things that by its very nature has no end, thus i feel i never really get THE message I just get a series of messages which i gain a little something from all of.
You shouldn't be saying anything into the phone. You should simply be listening. When you listen to the nature of the message without end you learn to appreciate and treasure your normal life that is with end. This is when you have 'received' the message and thus yearn to stop and smell the roses and can be 'transported' just by doing so. There is an end to this life and there is an infinite nature that lies beyond it. The message allows you to know this so that you are awakened in this life.
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Connoisseur said: I feel like its silly to expect to get the answer to life from a psychedelic, psychedelics just give you bits and pieces of truths about reality.
Of course if someone is just talking about nonsense of unimportant hedonistic things that is not very progressive in the long run.
I do agree with everything in your last post though, and i use psychedelics in pretty much the same manner.
It's not that its bits and pieces. It's that you're bits and pieces and thus will never maintain the entirety of the infinite in your current form. So, while mind blowing and amazing, you will never 'come back' with it all. Thus, the point is to become skillful in maintaining this in your sober yet awakened life. Once you get to this point and understanding, there really is no point in picking up the phone and dialing beyond recreation and that recreation will appear to be destructive and distracting once you are awakened.
while i do appreciate what your saying i find communication with plant spirits to be integral to the whole concept of "the cosmic telephone" do you really think shamans dont "talk" into the phone man?
come on...
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Connoisseur said:
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phio said: "Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..." - Alan Watts
So, that's the full context.
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Connoisseur said: It depends on what your saying into the phone man, when i talk into the phone i ask questions and try to explore the infinite mystery of things that by its very nature has no end, thus i feel i never really get THE message I just get a series of messages which i gain a little something from all of.
You shouldn't be saying anything into the phone. You should simply be listening. When you listen to the nature of the message without end you learn to appreciate and treasure your normal life that is with end. This is when you have 'received' the message and thus yearn to stop and smell the roses and can be 'transported' just by doing so. There is an end to this life and there is an infinite nature that lies beyond it. The message allows you to know this so that you are awakened in this life.
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Connoisseur said: I feel like its silly to expect to get the answer to life from a psychedelic, psychedelics just give you bits and pieces of truths about reality.
Of course if someone is just talking about nonsense of unimportant hedonistic things that is not very progressive in the long run.
I do agree with everything in your last post though, and i use psychedelics in pretty much the same manner.
It's not that its bits and pieces. It's that you're bits and pieces and thus will never maintain the entirety of the infinite in your current form. So, while mind blowing and amazing, you will never 'come back' with it all. Thus, the point is to become skillful in maintaining this in your sober yet awakened life. Once you get to this point and understanding, there really is no point in picking up the phone and dialing beyond recreation and that recreation will appear to be destructive and distracting once you are awakened.
while i do appreciate what your saying i find communication with plant spirits to be integral to the whole concept of "the cosmic telephone" do you really think shamans dont "talk" into the phone man?
come on...
They do but they also listen. If you're talking, you're unable to listen correct? For something that has far broader reach than you, it would seemingly behove you to listen most of all. Sure, there is a communication of sorts. However, the more you listen and truly listen, the more chance there is for you to get 'the message'.
The interesting thing about that is, 'the message' is all around you in your sober life. So, are you talking most of all or listening?
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luvdemboomers said: I got the message loud and clear. No choice but to hang up, which is rather unfortunate.
^This is no joke nor is getting on the phone... So, don't chase the high... Let it come to you and when it does, stop talking and listen.
When you 'get the message', you'll know and you'll think twice about ever getting on the horn again because you'll understand what you're sacrificing and risking to do so.
That's all I have to say. It's after-all you're journey. I've got nothing but love for you brother.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio]
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now your just nit picking to make it seem like im not making as valid of a point as i have, and while that is true as the day is long you points are very valid and undeniable as well!
im not talking about "talking" nonsense into the phone man, to be clear in the poll when I say "keep talking" all i mean is simply keep using psychedelics even if its infrequently after you have had a revalatory life changing experience from them which i consider to be "the message".
as it was first said to me as a young teenager, hanging up the phone meant stop using psychedelics. as i have also stated since then people have shown me different interpretations of this quote that do not imply the ceasing of psychedelic use at all.
shamans have a very heavy dialog between themselves and spirits that reside within plants and in the realms of the plants that they are transported to when under their influence, and in certain deeply profound states of plant consciousness i myself have met entities with which a dialog is had, of course its more crucial and important to focus on the plant/spirits message and listen but that doesnt change the fact your communicating on a two way line.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23721796 - 10/09/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think a drug can teach you anything about the natureor truth of reality; there's no knowledge attached directly to a drug or stored in your brain. Psychedelics warp your mind and I think they can be used to find subjective truths about your life by changing your thinking allowing you to reflect on your life and self through new ways. There's nothing objectively true to be found through a hallucinatory drug experience.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
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ah but you see, how can you ever know if you got 'the' message? Maybe you only want to think that see? So I'd say at least keep talking periodically just to check the message doesn't change on you
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but what of the spirit that creates the life within the plant that creates the chemical that just happens to fit in the mind in such a way to cause the effect that is the psychedelic experience?
is that all just nothing? have these plants just existed in this manner for no reason and the relationship they have formed with humans over thousands and thousands of years has no influence upon things beyond our comprehension?
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said: ah but you see, how can you ever know if you got 'the' message? Maybe you only want to think that see? So I'd say at least keep talking periodically just to check the message doesn't change on you
IMO to feel that one has truly gained the end all be all message is the most egotistical and antipsychedelic concept possible, people who say "fuck you im enlightened" are really the sorriest saps of all humanity.
the message is infinite and beyond our total conception, when we take psychedelics we merely glimpse parts of it.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
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especially if there actually were/are spirits or gods or ghosts or whatever, I'd tend to think they wouldn't all convey the same message mostly the 'message' I get from psychedelics is just that the universe is super weird and anyone who says they got it down is full of shit or selling something But I might be wrong
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amen brother, this isnt the direct quote but in so many words one of my favorite things that Huxley said was something to the effect of
Psychedelics are good for mankind because the give people who have an idea they know whats what and turn them upside down and wring them out until they understand they dont know whats what at all.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
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Connoisseur said: but what of the spirit that creates the life within the plant that creates the chemical that just happens to fit in the mind in such a way to cause the effect that is the psychedelic experience?
is that all just nothing? have these plants just existed in this manner for no reason and the relationship they have formed with humans over thousands and thousands of years has no influence upon things beyond our comprehension?
Can you prove to me this spirit that creates life in the plant exists? I have no reason to believe these drugs are nothing more than a wonderful accident that accidentally has a profound impact on our perception of consciousness and if anything is a tool to teach us how our consciousness works in a physical way. But the experience the drug induces is essentially a psychosis, i think it's dangerous to make conclusions from such an experiences as it is for a schizophrenic to make conclusions about the world based on their perceptions.
It's a fact that theRe are many truths to reality and the universe that our normal perception would lead us to believe otherwise based on our limited senses so I'm hesitant to base any conclusions about our reality based on my sensory experiences. You're welcome to believe otherwise but I won't make that leap.
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i can prove that what causes life to exist is a mystery but by some definition we know its an energy of sorts and to me a spirit is a form of an energy that contains a consciousness, i know it has a consciousness because of the way it manifests and produces itself.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
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We form these connections but I feel its all in our head. That doesnt make it any less true because its a total personal feeling or experience. Maybe its our bodies and energies connecting and while high on these psychs we form these connections because we allow our minds to read or listen to our bodies and the external world a lot more than in regular life. In order to really function or live and do things like work we cant be constantly going inside of ourselves and having these feelings and experiences. Sorry if that makes no sense hahaha
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Re: When you get the message [Re: SonicTitan]
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are you kidding man?
thats definitely a piece of the puzzle!
theres an endless myriad of facets and corners to this whole topic and all of them are in our heads, no one knows where my nose ends and reality begins.
pompous assholes think they do but its all really just head games and mind trips.
the thing ive learned over the years is that its just kinda pointless to use this basic truth to over ride everything because we have to deal with the mechanics of this dimension in the way we can best understand it otherwise we cant really gain or acomplish anything (even though underlyingly these concepts are fallacies anyway )
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said: especially if there actually were/are spirits or gods or ghosts or whatever, I'd tend to think they wouldn't all convey the same message mostly the 'message' I get from psychedelics is just that the universe is super weird and anyone who says they got it down is full of shit or selling something But I might be wrong
Getting 'the message' is not that you 'get it down' It's that you come to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will 'never get it down' and journeying to do so is best done in your sober life. 'Playing' past that point has severe consequences.
When someone has 'got the message'. This is typically their commentary :
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luvdemboomers said: I got the message loud and clear. No choice but to hang up, which is rather unfortunate.
If you 'got the message', you know exactly what this means. If you haven't, you'll probably continue to keep dialing.
Don't worry, keep making those calls.... You'll come to know exactly what those words mean soon enough. Your language and attitude on this topic will change over-night.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 2
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When you get the message...
A: remember it.
B: deliver it.
c: apply it.
d: get rid of it, make room on the machine.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
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Connoisseur said: are you kidding man?
thats definitely a piece of the puzzle!
theres an endless myriad of facets and corners to this whole topic and all of them are in our heads, no one knows where my nose ends and reality begins.
pompous assholes think they do but its all really just head games and mind trips.
the thing ive learned over the years is that its just kinda pointless to use this basic truth to over ride everything because we have to deal with the mechanics of this dimension in the way we can best understand it otherwise we cant really gain or acomplish anything (even though underlyingly these concepts are fallacies anyway )
How old are you and what is the wildest thing you've ever experienced on a trip?
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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio]
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that kind of question just shows how new you are to the boards even though i can clearly see that from your sign up date anyway.
im gonna choose not to answer it before you make it clear why your asking that question in the first place.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23722043 - 10/09/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: that kind of question just shows how new you are to the boards even though i can clearly see that from your sign up date anyway.
im gonna choose not to answer it before you make it clear why your asking that question in the first place.
Ah', bad question....
Overall, my comment is : Once you 'get the message', you'll know what that saying means and why you shouldn't be dialing anymore. Until then, people seemingly dial. How many dials it takes. What life experiences it takes... Who knows ultimately.
Among all the choices you have in life and there a seemingly many (which is the great gift afforded to you as to why you don't squander it). Some choices have less variance.
The message has to do with that and there isn't much of a choice in that matter as one commenter stated. Which is why you'll get the message and enjoy the hell out of your sober life afterwards.
It is your journey. Journey wisely.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio]
#23722052 - 10/09/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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so i take it thats your experience?
you saw god and never did drugs again?
what do you and other people in this thread not get about shamanism and how its the ancient tradition that use of psychedelics is based on?
do you think shamans have one trip that they see it all and say "oh well guess thats the end of the line for me folks!"
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23722062 - 10/09/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There usually isn't a message when I trip, but in the spirit of the question, I don't think its healthy to trip often, or to continuously seek arbitrarily.
If you want to create something, at some point you have to stop fucking with the blue prints and make it happen.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23722104 - 10/09/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: so i take it thats your experience?
you saw god and never did drugs again?
I was reflecting what seems to be a clear message from : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23721690#23721690
And what you can find by reading about similar encounters. There's something far more distinct when you read such people's stories and accounts than other experiences.
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what do you and other people in this thread not get about shamanism and how its the ancient tradition that use of psychedelics is based on?
do you think shamans have one trip that they see it all and say "oh well guess thats the end of the line for me folks!"
No, which is why many of them are not grounded. You can keep pushing it until you lose your grounding as well. Ultimately, there is an end of the line. Your vessel can only hold so much light. Imagine experiencing it and being giving a choice as to whether or not to cross it knowing full and well what it is and what lies beyond it...
Can you imagine though until it occurs? Most likely not.. Not everyone has to nor do you likely want to.
Some people don't get a choice in the matter.
Such words seem foolish ofc until... So, you'll seemingly keep searching for the end of the line.
Hopefully, it doesn't come. If it does, make sure to head the warning. All that being said, it's accessible to you in your sober life. That's the 'key'.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio] 1
#23722123 - 10/09/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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sounds like people just talking from personal experience, about a trip that makes them want to get set on the straight and narrow, and whom are couching that experience in vague terms, to try and sound profound.
when you get the message, let it go, and make room for new one. the old one was using outdated information.
and if the message is so harrowing as to make it seem a life-changing compunction in the mind, then you know one thing -- life is obviously a mess at that point.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23722134 - 10/09/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: sounds like people just talking from personal experience, about a trip that makes them want to get set on the straight and narrow, and whom are couching that experience in vague terms, to try and sound profound.
when you get the message, let it go, and make room for new one. the old one was using outdated information.
and if the message is so harrowing as to make it seem a life-changing compunction in the mind, then you know one thing -- life is obviously a mess at that point.
DING DING WE GOTTA WINNER
COME ON DOWN!
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Re: When you get the message [Re: akira_akuma]
#23722172 - 10/09/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: sounds like people just talking from personal experience, about a trip that makes them want to get set on the straight and narrow, and whom are couching that experience in vague terms, to try and sound profound.
when you get the message, let it go, and make room for new one. the old one was using outdated information.
and if the message is so harrowing as to make it seem a life-changing compunction in the mind, then you know one thing -- life is obviously a mess at that point.
The stories are prevalent enough and consistent enough brother... Seems like a blessed trip if you wake to see all that you have ever sought to see in a trip in real life and can manifest it as such. Of course, that is going to mean nothing to you unless you experienced it which people seemingly have and they all tell the same story.
Dial I guess until you get to that point. If you're driven by the idea that there are no limits to your existence, maybe you're better off never 'seeing' them. Then again, if you do, you'll probably run so quickly in the other direction that you'll forget.

Peace to you all
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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio]
#23722258 - 10/09/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're just trying to send me a message don't waste time with a call. Just txt it to me bitch.
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moonrockmushy said: If you're just trying to send me a message don't waste time with a call. Just txt it to me bitch.
Hang up the phone so you can read it
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 2
#23722765 - 10/09/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: Allan Watts once famously said when you get the message hang up the phone.
So tell me shroomery what do you do when you get the message?
Me personally I keep asking questions till the day I die, I dont ever hang up that phone mother fucker!
I find there isn't any single grand message for me to receive...rather, with a silent and open mind, there's a constant stream of insight and wisdom about my self, and nature/the mystery that these plant medicines/psychedelics catalyze.
My trips have become only more interesting as I grow older and accumulate more life experience and knowledge. I'm not the same person I was when I first ate mushrooms almost a decade ago, so my trips aren't going to be the same. Different streams of thought, different things to ponder, different "messages" to receive.
Even if there was some sort of grand single "message" that was bestowed upon me during a trip I still wouldn't hang up the phone, you know why?....Because....
...I fucking looooove dancing on mushrooms!
....I love sharing time/space with friends on LSD, the giggle fits that accompany such time & places, as well as the mind melding.
.....I love blissing out in grassy meadows on mescaline.
....I love "thinking", "pondering", and observing....and doing so with a head full on acid or a tummy full of mushrooms is something I enjoy beyond words.
....I love the novelty, the "WTF" factor, and thought provocation of smoked DMT.
...I love that feeling of being tickled by the cosmos whilst on LSD.
.....I love the healing, therapeutic, and refreshing cleanse that mushrooms provide me with.
....I enjoy feeling exactly like I did as a kid whilst on mushrooms. Feeling the "I" that I was before the scaffolding of life experience/ego was built up around it.
....I love the nootropic effect that mushrooms and LSD provide me with.
.....I love that direct connection to the cosmos, to what my idea of "god" is, to my truest self, that mushrooms, cactus, LSD, and DMT provides.
.....I enjoy celebrating the winter solstice and the cycles of our earth with a camping trip and a hearty dose of mushrooms, and celebrating the summer solstice with a camping trip and a hearty dose of LSD or Mescaline.
These things aren't just here to "get a message", at least that's not what I solely or specifically use them for....My favorite thing to do while tripping (on mushrooms at least) is dance, it brings me such an immense amount of joy and bliss. It's been about a decade since I've started working with psychedelics, tripping about once every month or two over those 10 years (sometimes more frequently, but I always keep my intake of all things in moderation). I don't plan on stopping anytime in the near future, or ever really (at least from the current outlook of my 29 year old self)
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Re: When you get the message [Re: openmind]
#23722876 - 10/09/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think once every month or two is ideal, though I usually binge and go long periods without. No longer.
Anyways, I agree with pretty much everything you said. Dancing is one of the best things in life.
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The big message I got is basically we are one- facets of the divine universal mind / soul, which divided itself and incarnated in its own creation for joy of experiencing and exploring it's self infinitely.
The message I got is life is the dream of God , a fractal dream. As above so below. We are lucid dreamers within a dream.
Thus we are co creators.
We are spiritual beings having a human experience. Magick is real and we are all magical multidimensional beings.
That was the message (I am God and so is everyone else)
Panpsychism- all is mind .
In a sense I did hang up the phone because I realized the goal was to ground these realizations in day to day life and stay plugged in to the truth permanently.
It was clear to me that yoga, martial arts , meditation and spirituality / religion were the way to do this.
Psychedelics gave me a taste of enlightenment to motivate a lifetime of spiritual practice.
I do plan to punctuate that life with regular but infrequent psychedelic shamanism however.
Psychedelics long ago changed for me from something I want or feel compelled to do to something I am very hesitant to do but force myself to because I know they are beneficial and important for me.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Dark_Star]
#23723221 - 10/09/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Hang up, and periodically pick up the phone when I need a reminder.
thats the truth!
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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