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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23721796 - 10/09/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think a drug can teach you anything about the natureor truth of reality; there's no knowledge attached directly to a drug or stored in your brain. Psychedelics warp your mind and I think they can be used to find subjective truths about your life by changing your thinking allowing you to reflect on your life and self through new ways. There's nothing objectively true to be found through a hallucinatory drug experience.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23721802 - 10/09/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ah but you see, how can you ever know if you got 'the' message? Maybe you only want to think that see? So I'd say at least keep talking periodically just to check the message doesn't change on you


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Re: When you get the message [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23721805 - 10/09/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

but what of the spirit that creates the life within the plant that creates the chemical that just happens to fit in the mind in such a way to cause the effect that is the psychedelic experience?

is that all just nothing? have these plants just existed in this manner for no reason and the relationship they have formed with humans over thousands and thousands of years has no influence upon things beyond our comprehension?


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Ezuma]
    #23721814 - 10/09/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ezuma said:
ah but you see, how can you ever know if you got 'the' message? Maybe you only want to think that see? So I'd say at least keep talking periodically just to check the message doesn't change on you




IMO to feel that one has truly gained the end all be all message is the most egotistical and antipsychedelic concept possible, people who say "fuck you im enlightened" are really the sorriest saps of all humanity.

the message is infinite and beyond our total conception, when we take psychedelics we merely glimpse parts of it.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23721834 - 10/09/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

especially if there actually were/are spirits or gods or ghosts or whatever, I'd tend to think they wouldn't all convey the same message
mostly the 'message' I get from psychedelics is just that the universe is super weird and anyone who says they got it down is full of shit or selling something :shrug: But I might be wrong


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23721839 - 10/09/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

amen brother, this isnt the direct quote but in so many words one of my favorite things that Huxley said was something to the effect of

Psychedelics are good for mankind because the give people who have an idea they know whats what and turn them upside down and wring them out until they understand they dont know whats what at all.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23721840 - 10/09/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Connoisseur said:
but what of the spirit that creates the life within the plant that creates the chemical that just happens to fit in the mind in such a way to cause the effect that is the psychedelic experience?

is that all just nothing? have these plants just existed in this manner for no reason and the relationship they have formed with humans over thousands and thousands of years has no influence upon things beyond our comprehension?



Can you prove to me this spirit that creates life in the plant exists? I have no reason to believe these drugs are nothing more than a wonderful accident that accidentally has a profound impact on our perception of consciousness and if anything is a tool to teach us how our consciousness works in a physical way. But the experience the drug induces is essentially a psychosis, i think it's dangerous to make conclusions from such an experiences as it is for a schizophrenic to make conclusions about the world based on their perceptions.

It's a fact that theRe are many truths to reality and the universe that our normal perception would lead us to believe otherwise based on our limited senses so I'm hesitant to base any conclusions about our reality based on my sensory experiences. You're welcome to believe otherwise but I won't make that leap.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23721924 - 10/09/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i can prove that what causes life to exist is a mystery but by some definition we know its an energy of sorts and to me a spirit is a form of an energy that contains a consciousness, i know it has a consciousness because of the way it manifests and produces itself.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23721956 - 10/09/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

We form these connections but I feel its all in our head. That doesnt make it any less true because its a total personal feeling or experience. Maybe its our bodies and energies connecting and while high on these psychs we form these connections because we allow our minds to read or listen to our bodies and the external world a lot more than in regular life. In order to really function or live and do things like work we cant be constantly going inside of ourselves and having these feelings and experiences.
Sorry if that makes no sense hahaha


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Re: When you get the message [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23721976 - 10/09/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

are you kidding man?

thats definitely a piece of the puzzle!

theres an endless myriad of facets and corners to this whole topic and all of them are in our heads, no one knows where my nose ends and reality begins.

pompous assholes think they do but its all really just head games and mind trips.

the thing ive learned over the years is that its just kinda pointless to use this basic truth to over ride everything because we have to deal with the mechanics of this dimension in the way we can best understand it otherwise we cant really gain or acomplish anything (even though underlyingly these concepts are fallacies anyway :shrug:)


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Ezuma]
    #23721980 - 10/09/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ezuma said:
especially if there actually were/are spirits or gods or ghosts or whatever, I'd tend to think they wouldn't all convey the same message
mostly the 'message' I get from psychedelics is just that the universe is super weird and anyone who says they got it down is full of shit or selling something :shrug: But I might be wrong




Getting 'the message' is not that you 'get it down' It's that you come to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will 'never get it down' and journeying to do so is best done in your sober life. 'Playing' past that point has severe consequences.

When someone has 'got the message'. This is typically their commentary :
Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
I got the message loud and clear. No choice but to hang up, which is rather unfortunate.




If you 'got the message', you know exactly what this means. If you haven't, you'll probably continue to  keep dialing.

Don't worry, keep making those calls.... You'll come to know exactly what those words mean soon enough. Your language and attitude on this topic will change over-night.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] * 2
    #23721983 - 10/09/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

When you get the message...

A: remember it.

B: deliver it.

c: apply it.

d: get rid of it, make room on the machine.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23721991 - 10/09/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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are you kidding man?

thats definitely a piece of the puzzle!

theres an endless myriad of facets and corners to this whole topic and all of them are in our heads, no one knows where my nose ends and reality begins.

pompous assholes think they do but its all really just head games and mind trips.

the thing ive learned over the years is that its just kinda pointless to use this basic truth to over ride everything because we have to deal with the mechanics of this dimension in the way we can best understand it otherwise we cant really gain or acomplish anything (even though underlyingly these concepts are fallacies anyway :shrug:)




How old are you and what is the wildest thing you've ever experienced on a trip?


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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio]
    #23722002 - 10/09/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

that kind of question just shows how new you are to the boards even though i can clearly see that from your sign up date anyway.

im gonna choose not to answer it before you make it clear why your asking that question in the first place.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23722043 - 10/09/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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that kind of question just shows how new you are to the boards even though i can clearly see that from your sign up date anyway.

im gonna choose not to answer it before you make it clear why your asking that question in the first place.




Ah', bad question....

Overall, my comment is : Once you 'get the message', you'll know what that saying means and why you shouldn't be dialing anymore. Until then, people seemingly dial. How many dials it takes. What life experiences it takes... Who knows ultimately.

Among all the choices you have in life and there a seemingly many (which is the great gift afforded to you as to why you don't squander it). Some choices have less variance.

The message has to do with that and there isn't much of a choice in that matter as one commenter stated. Which is why you'll get the message and enjoy the hell out of your sober life afterwards.

It is your journey. Journey wisely.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio]
    #23722052 - 10/09/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

so i take it thats your experience?

you saw god and never did drugs again?

what do you and other people in this thread not get about shamanism and how its the ancient tradition that use of psychedelics is based on?

do you think shamans have one trip that they see it all and say "oh well guess thats the end of the line for me folks!"


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #23722062 - 10/09/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There usually isn't a message when I trip, but in the spirit of the question, I don't think its healthy to trip often, or to continuously seek arbitrarily.

If you want to create something, at some point you have to stop fucking with the blue prints and make it happen.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23722104 - 10/09/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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so i take it thats your experience?

you saw god and never did drugs again?




I was reflecting what seems to be a clear message from :
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23721690#23721690

And what you can find by reading about similar encounters. There's something far more distinct when you read such people's stories and accounts than other experiences.


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what do you and other people in this thread not get about shamanism and how its the ancient tradition that use of psychedelics is based on?

do you think shamans have one trip that they see it all and say "oh well guess thats the end of the line for me folks!"





No, which is why many of them are not grounded. You can keep pushing it until you lose your grounding as well. Ultimately, there is an end of the line. Your vessel can only hold so much light. Imagine experiencing it and being giving a choice as to whether or not to cross it knowing full and well what it is and what lies beyond it...

Can you imagine though until it occurs? Most likely not.. Not everyone has to nor do you likely want to.

Some people don't get a choice in the matter.

Such words seem foolish ofc until...
So, you'll seemingly keep searching for the end of the line.

Hopefully, it doesn't come. If it does, make sure to head the warning.
All that being said, it's accessible to you in your sober life. That's the 'key'.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio] * 1
    #23722123 - 10/09/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

sounds like people just talking from personal experience, about a trip that makes them want to get set on the straight and narrow, and whom are couching that experience in vague terms, to try and sound profound.

when you get the message, let it go, and make room for new one. the old one was using outdated information.

and if the message is so harrowing as to make it seem a life-changing compunction in the mind, then you know one thing -- life is obviously a mess at that point.


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Re: When you get the message [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23722134 - 10/09/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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sounds like people just talking from personal experience, about a trip that makes them want to get set on the straight and narrow, and whom are couching that experience in vague terms, to try and sound profound.

when you get the message, let it go, and make room for new one. the old one was using outdated information.

and if the message is so harrowing as to make it seem a life-changing compunction in the mind, then you know one thing -- life is obviously a mess at that point.




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