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When you get the message
#23721594 - 10/09/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Allan Watts once famously said when you get the message hang up the phone.
So tell me shroomery what do you do when you get the message?
Me personally I keep asking questions till the day I die, I dont ever hang up that phone mother fucker!
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 6
#23721603 - 10/09/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hang up, and periodically pick up the phone when I need a reminder.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Dark_Star] 7
#23721609 - 10/09/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hang up the phone then immediately forget what the message was and what I was supposed to do, then go smoke some weed and beat off.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Dark_Star]
#23721618 - 10/09/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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in my mind thats the same thing as keep talking 
ive always felt that hang up the phone implies never go back again.
BUT it is worth mentioning a great friend of mine who is a very inteligent man once gave me an alternative interpretation of what the quote means which is something very interesting.
he said that he always pictured it as if when you hang up the phone your going out to bring the message to others and do the actual work behind what you heard, without implying that you dont take psychedelics more in the future just that you apply the lesson they give.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23721635 - 10/09/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What I think Alan Watts meant is when you get the message you hangf up the phone - then the time of talking has ended and you must put what you learned into practice.
Always keep asking, but put wgat you learned into practice or either you will quit tripping or the trip will quit you.
LSD is like a telescope and a microscope into one. An instrument to focus with inhuman reach and clarity. Only when you learn to do what LSD does as good as LSD does it, should you stop using LSD.
Don't EVER stop using telescopes, microscopes, periscopes and tinted glasses.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23721644 - 10/09/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly I have lost almost all inclination to use psychedelics in favor of meditation as I age.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 2
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It's definitely not the same thing. Keep talking is to continue taking the drugs despite it not going anywhere new. Just partying with it. This is usually coupled with not putting any of the insights to work. I did this extensively. Then I stopped, and did put things to work. Now sometimes I do just take it to party, but that's still only periodically. Normally I feel the need for a reset. Even when I'm taking it to party. That's why I look forward to it. Which is the real benefit IMO. Life is busy, and life had a tendency to suck one in & gum up the pipes so to speak. The occasional psychedelic allows me to take a step back & see things differently. Cleans out the pipes, washes away the bullshit & gives me a fresh perspective. I've been taking psychedelics for a long time. I've explored various forms of spirituality for even longer. I worked through some of the 12-steps. I've learned & grown a lot.....but I've yet to figure out how to maintain that fresh perspective....how to live life, enjoy life without the pipes getting clogged. Frankly, I'm skeptical that it's even possible. Seems like this is just how it is, and therefore those periodic refreshers are necessary. I love Allen Watts....but let's be honest; I don't think he had it all figured out either. He became an alcoholic later in life, and that's a symptom of internal discontent....of clogged pipes. He'd lost the plot somewhere. Just like you & I did, as is evident with our own battles with addiction.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Dark_Star]
#23721678 - 10/09/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It depends on what your saying into the phone man, when i talk into the phone i ask questions and try to explore the infinite mystery of things that by its very nature has no end, thus i feel i never really get THE message I just get a series of messages which i gain a little something from all of.
I feel like its silly to expect to get the answer to life from a psychedelic, psychedelics just give you bits and pieces of truths about reality.
Of course if someone is just talking about nonsense of unimportant hedonistic things that is not very progressive in the long run.
I do agree with everything in your last post though, and i use psychedelics in pretty much the same manner.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23721688 - 10/09/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always get a busy signal.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23721690 - 10/09/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got the message loud and clear. No choice but to hang up, which is rather unfortunate.
Edited by luvdemboomers (10/09/16 10:29 AM)
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23721694 - 10/09/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theres always more to learn, maybe hanging up the phone is not the right words. You can still explore without the aid of drugs so there are totally other mediums to find the answers you look for. So maybe its more calling a different number rather than hanging up the phone.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: SonicTitan]
#23721710 - 10/09/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i dont want to mislead anyone into thinking i trip a lot, in fact i trip much less than most people on here.
but at the same time ive been tripping for almost 10 years and will never stop till the day i die.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23721718 - 10/09/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I diddnt think that. I used to trip a lot and still trip often but took a few years where it was only like once a year or less. I still use them for self exploration or discovery but also use them for pure recreation as well. I feel when you go in with too much of a prime directive or motive then it almost is not nearly as wonderful, or enjoyable as it should be. I hate having expectations but I do make points to use them as tools for my inner self. Tho I have kinda been in a honeymoon phase with psychedelics and MDMA for the past year hahaha. Kinda rediscovering that world again after so many years.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur]
#23721722 - 10/09/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..." - Alan Watts
So, that's the full context.
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Connoisseur said: It depends on what your saying into the phone man, when i talk into the phone i ask questions and try to explore the infinite mystery of things that by its very nature has no end, thus i feel i never really get THE message I just get a series of messages which i gain a little something from all of.
You shouldn't be saying anything into the phone. You should simply be listening. When you listen to the nature of the message without end you learn to appreciate and treasure your normal life that is with end. This is when you have 'received' the message and thus yearn to stop and smell the roses and can be 'transported' just by doing so. There is an end to this life and there is an infinite nature that lies beyond it. The message allows you to know this so that you are awakened in this life.
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Connoisseur said: I feel like its silly to expect to get the answer to life from a psychedelic, psychedelics just give you bits and pieces of truths about reality.
Of course if someone is just talking about nonsense of unimportant hedonistic things that is not very progressive in the long run.
I do agree with everything in your last post though, and i use psychedelics in pretty much the same manner.
It's not that its bits and pieces. It's that you're bits and pieces and thus will never maintain the entirety of the infinite in your current form. So, while mind blowing and amazing, you will never 'come back' with it all. Thus, the point is to become skillful in maintaining this in your sober yet awakened life. Once you get to this point and understanding, there really is no point in picking up the phone and dialing beyond recreation and that recreation will appear to be destructive and distracting once you are awakened.
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luvdemboomers said: I got the message loud and clear. No choice but to hang up, which is rather unfortunate.
^ When you hear this.. You know a person got the message. lol
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Re: When you get the message [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23721733 - 10/09/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You might stop. You're young yet, and things change. I personally feel that periodic trips are greatly beneficial, and I can see their place across a lifetime. But I can also see myself stopping at sometime. Things change across a lifetime.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: SonicTitan]
#23721738 - 10/09/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right on man, i would also like to take this thread/post to share my beliefs regaurding the different aplications and uses of plant medicines/teachers and synthetic/semisynthetic chemicals.
i do believe that plant medicines/teachers are inteligent and sacred beings who communicate with us with their actives through our neurological pathways thus bringing us the knowledge/healing/perspective they contain.
i do also believe that synthetic/semisynthetic chemicals can lead to spiritually enriching and mind opening/perspective shifting experiences but i do not believe that that is because they are leaving beings (duh they arent lol) i believe it is because they are keys that unlock those experiences within ourselves.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio]
#23721742 - 10/09/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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phio said: "Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..." - Alan Watts
So, that's the full context.
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Connoisseur said: It depends on what your saying into the phone man, when i talk into the phone i ask questions and try to explore the infinite mystery of things that by its very nature has no end, thus i feel i never really get THE message I just get a series of messages which i gain a little something from all of.
You shouldn't be saying anything into the phone. You should simply be listening. When you listen to the nature of the message without end you learn to appreciate and treasure your normal life that is with end. This is when you have 'received' the message and thus yearn to stop and smell the roses and can be 'transported' just by doing so. There is an end to this life and there is an infinite nature that lies beyond it. The message allows you to know this so that you are awakened in this life.
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Connoisseur said: I feel like its silly to expect to get the answer to life from a psychedelic, psychedelics just give you bits and pieces of truths about reality.
Of course if someone is just talking about nonsense of unimportant hedonistic things that is not very progressive in the long run.
I do agree with everything in your last post though, and i use psychedelics in pretty much the same manner.
It's not that its bits and pieces. It's that you're bits and pieces and thus will never maintain the entirety of the infinite in your current form. So, while mind blowing and amazing, you will never 'come back' with it all. Thus, the point is to become skillful in maintaining this in your sober yet awakened life. Once you get to this point and understanding, there really is no point in picking up the phone and dialing beyond recreation and that recreation will appear to be destructive and distracting once you are awakened.
while i do appreciate what your saying i find communication with plant spirits to be integral to the whole concept of "the cosmic telephone" do you really think shamans dont "talk" into the phone man?
come on...
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Connoisseur said:
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phio said: "Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..." - Alan Watts
So, that's the full context.
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Connoisseur said: It depends on what your saying into the phone man, when i talk into the phone i ask questions and try to explore the infinite mystery of things that by its very nature has no end, thus i feel i never really get THE message I just get a series of messages which i gain a little something from all of.
You shouldn't be saying anything into the phone. You should simply be listening. When you listen to the nature of the message without end you learn to appreciate and treasure your normal life that is with end. This is when you have 'received' the message and thus yearn to stop and smell the roses and can be 'transported' just by doing so. There is an end to this life and there is an infinite nature that lies beyond it. The message allows you to know this so that you are awakened in this life.
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Connoisseur said: I feel like its silly to expect to get the answer to life from a psychedelic, psychedelics just give you bits and pieces of truths about reality.
Of course if someone is just talking about nonsense of unimportant hedonistic things that is not very progressive in the long run.
I do agree with everything in your last post though, and i use psychedelics in pretty much the same manner.
It's not that its bits and pieces. It's that you're bits and pieces and thus will never maintain the entirety of the infinite in your current form. So, while mind blowing and amazing, you will never 'come back' with it all. Thus, the point is to become skillful in maintaining this in your sober yet awakened life. Once you get to this point and understanding, there really is no point in picking up the phone and dialing beyond recreation and that recreation will appear to be destructive and distracting once you are awakened.
while i do appreciate what your saying i find communication with plant spirits to be integral to the whole concept of "the cosmic telephone" do you really think shamans dont "talk" into the phone man?
come on...
They do but they also listen. If you're talking, you're unable to listen correct? For something that has far broader reach than you, it would seemingly behove you to listen most of all. Sure, there is a communication of sorts. However, the more you listen and truly listen, the more chance there is for you to get 'the message'.
The interesting thing about that is, 'the message' is all around you in your sober life. So, are you talking most of all or listening?
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luvdemboomers said: I got the message loud and clear. No choice but to hang up, which is rather unfortunate.
^This is no joke nor is getting on the phone... So, don't chase the high... Let it come to you and when it does, stop talking and listen.
When you 'get the message', you'll know and you'll think twice about ever getting on the horn again because you'll understand what you're sacrificing and risking to do so.
That's all I have to say. It's after-all you're journey. I've got nothing but love for you brother.
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Re: When you get the message [Re: phio]
#23721779 - 10/09/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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now your just nit picking to make it seem like im not making as valid of a point as i have, and while that is true as the day is long you points are very valid and undeniable as well!
im not talking about "talking" nonsense into the phone man, to be clear in the poll when I say "keep talking" all i mean is simply keep using psychedelics even if its infrequently after you have had a revalatory life changing experience from them which i consider to be "the message".
as it was first said to me as a young teenager, hanging up the phone meant stop using psychedelics. as i have also stated since then people have shown me different interpretations of this quote that do not imply the ceasing of psychedelic use at all.
shamans have a very heavy dialog between themselves and spirits that reside within plants and in the realms of the plants that they are transported to when under their influence, and in certain deeply profound states of plant consciousness i myself have met entities with which a dialog is had, of course its more crucial and important to focus on the plant/spirits message and listen but that doesnt change the fact your communicating on a two way line.
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