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Puff
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Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal
#23721406 - 10/09/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let me start off by saying i used to work for the goverment, not saying where and my name but i can tell you why dmt is illegal, because its real. Its all real and the spirit realm is real and more real then this right now. Demons and angels do exsist, the goverment found this out long ago thats why they banned preaching in public and banned DMT, shrooms and the other psychedelics. Not because they didnt want people to go jump out windows. Think of it the 13 elite who run the world are satanists and the goverment has been experimenting with psychedelics for almost 100 years+.Thank you for reading thats all i have to say. Spread the word, the truth!
Edited by Puff (10/10/16 07:12 AM)
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Morel Guy
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Puff]
#23721416 - 10/09/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought it was because it over rides their program and bullshit. Imagine if we had a democracy with free thinkers. It would be great, believe me!
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Morel Guy]
#23721433 - 10/09/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think its more complex than that. But i agree that until we know the nature of consciousness we shouldnt think they cannot be real on some level we dont understand
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: SleepyE]
#23721440 - 10/09/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Postmen technically work for the government...
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: AstralAndrew]
#23721455 - 10/09/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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*200 posts later no further advanced in argument to prove dmt realms are real*
PS - SleepyE I like your vids and your work trying to figure out the clown archetype. This is just a thought but next time you encounter one try Bruce Damers technique of becoming it to understand it. Will be keen to hear your results.
Also if you haven't come across Julian Palmers book Articulations you should check that out.
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SleepyE
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: DustJuice]
#23721472 - 10/09/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks man! i'll look that up
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Edited by SleepyE (10/09/16 08:49 AM)
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: SleepyE]
#23722046 - 10/09/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psychology isn't very interested in spiritual experience. The esoteric and the philosophies are quick to be judged as psychosis. I think the left field as it were made humanity great. People are more interested in empowering others legal ways that promote cultural traditions of the west.
It's going to be a long time for mind blowing personal experience to be seen as healthy or medicinal. And I can understand why because people think visions are real and are important. There just understandings and perspectives. They can be a lot of fun to share with others but sometimes group ideas get carried away.
I do think that society ignoring peoples needs to have mind blowing fun cause issues. There is no professional guidance to speak of. No social form from professionals nor understanding. It's the wild west and imprisoning people is not a form of control. It's out of control and leads to a lot of bad things. Can't put the cat back in the bag either. Drugs don't de-invent themselves. Lot's of people have loved their experience. Cultures formed. People evolved.
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Morel Guy]
#23722138 - 10/09/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Psychology isn't very interested in spiritual experience. The esoteric and the philosophies are quick to be judged as psychosis. I think the left field as it were made humanity great. People are more interested in empowering others legal ways that promote cultural traditions of the west.
It's going to be a long time for mind blowing personal experience to be seen as healthy or medicinal. And I can understand why because people think visions are real and are important. There just understandings and perspectives. They can be a lot of fun to share with others but sometimes group ideas get carried away.
I do think that society ignoring peoples needs to have mind blowing fun cause issues. There is no professional guidance to speak of. No social form from professionals nor understanding. It's the wild west and imprisoning people is not a form of control. It's out of control and leads to a lot of bad things. Can't put the cat back in the bag either. Drugs don't de-invent themselves. Lot's of people have loved their experience. Cultures formed. People evolved.
Very well put
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Morel Guy]
#23722152 - 10/09/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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the thing that makes me suspicious that it might be an actual "place" is because the elements of the visions are pretty much the same for everyone. This is pretty evident in all the visionary/psychedelic art that is coming out because people are depicting their experiences. Too name a few big ones, Alex grey, Luke Brown, SalviaDroid, Androidjones, etc.
They all look like they are depicting the exact same place. then there is the archetypes like the jester, clown and circus that everyone sees. that archetype has clear symbolic meaning because clowns are associated with madness so it is all too perfect and coincidental if you ask me.
It gives the illusion or impression that it is some sort of collective dimension in which we all share that is beyond the material and sends information through non-local ineffable processes.
It would be fantastically magical if that were the case, but as of now it only just appears so considering the evidence available.
IN my opinion of course
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: SleepyE]
#23722274 - 10/09/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Place of mind. I have seen what I tend to think are spiritual communities. One was cosmic in nature and the other more heavenly. Seems we are stuck in the human collective consciousness. We might venture beyond that but seems we come back. There have been a study or 2 where crossword puzzles were easier for someone new to it when more people have completed the puzzle. Maybe we need more people to solve the human problem that results in 'enlightenment'. Then we can all be easier beings.
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Morel Guy]
#23722332 - 10/09/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: There have been a study or 2 where crossword puzzles were easier for someone new to it when more people have completed the puzzle. .
yep that is essentially due to morphic resonance which is rupert sheldrakes idea or theory.
i like to entertain sheldrakes idea because it really would rap this mystery up into something pretty magical.
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: SleepyE]
#23722433 - 10/09/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are also possibilities of a different leadership. The man doesn't want a bunch of brain washed hippies. Cult's and so forth. There have been a few of those. All religions started as cults. Few cults progress to being religions.
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Morel Guy]
#23724049 - 10/10/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't understand how they plan to stop us from being empowered. All one has to do to become God is take a breather and let go of all notions. The universe is a kind of joke, from this perspective anyway. A "cosmic joke". We are born with all of it. It's not Maybelline.
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Puff]
#23724274 - 10/10/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Puff said: Let me start off by saying i used to work for the goverment, not saying where and my name but i can tell you why dmt is illegal, because its real. Its all real and the spirit realm is real and more real then this right now. Demons and angels do exsist, the goverment found this out long ago thats why they banned preaching in public and banned DMT, shrooms and the other psychedelics. Not because they didnt want people to go jump out windows. Thank you for reading thats all i have to say. Spread the word, the truth!
It's not that weird if you consider the government is controlled by child-sacrificing satanists in secret societies. They would most certainly have a clue about the spirit realm.
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: lovuasca]
#23725000 - 10/10/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe the government knows about this too, but what is kind of weird to me is the fact that there are legal psychedelics. Why not ban them all if you really want to prevent people from waking up?
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Peyote Road]
#23725058 - 10/10/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: I believe the government knows about this too, but what is kind of weird to me is the fact that there are legal psychedelics. Why not ban them all if you really want to prevent people from waking up?
Probably because it's too hard. DMT is in many many plants. You can't practically ban all those plants. You can't prevent psilocyb mushrooms from growing in nature either. The next best thing in my mind seems to create a 'cultural dogma' that psychedelics are bad.
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Puff]
#23725431 - 10/10/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Puff said: Let me start off by saying i used to work for the goverment, not saying where and my name but i can tell you why dmt is illegal, because its real. Its all real and the spirit realm is real and more real then this right now. Demons and angels do exsist, the goverment found this out long ago thats why they banned preaching in public and banned DMT, shrooms and the other psychedelics. Not because they didnt want people to go jump out windows. Think of it the 13 elite who run the world are satanists and the goverment has been experimenting with psychedelics for almost 100 years+.Thank you for reading thats all i have to say. Spread the word, the truth!
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Re: Dmt and the spirit realm and why its illegal [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23725583 - 10/10/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Puff said: Let me start off by saying i used to work for the goverment, not saying where and my name but i can tell you why dmt is illegal, because its real. Its all real and the spirit realm is real and more real then this right now. Demons and angels do exsist, the goverment found this out long ago thats why they banned preaching in public and banned DMT, shrooms and the other psychedelics. Not because they didnt want people to go jump out windows. Think of it the 13 elite who run the world are satanists and the goverment has been experimenting with psychedelics for almost 100 years+.Thank you for reading thats all i have to say. Spread the word, the truth!
mmmm hhhmmm.
Well, I mean I was a bike courier, but I delivered packages to a lot of government offices.
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Edited by healing (10/10/16 03:38 PM)
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