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OfflineCow_botherer
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Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting * 1
    #23721169 - 10/09/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So I'm sure a lot of us have seen this website:

http://www.landis.org.uk/soilscapes/

If not, this is an interesting application from Cranfield that shows soil conditions across England and Wales overlayed onto a map*, and searchable by area and postcode.
Lately I've been using this to identify possible hunting locations, cross referenced with Ordinance Survey for public footpaths, and google maps to find places to leave the car.

*Edit 20161010
For Scotland: http://map.environment.gov.scot/Soil_maps/?layer=1 Thanks Littlespider

However, what soil properties seem to be the best? It's a given that Liberty Caps only grow in acidic soil - but what about drainage and other factors?
So far I've been looking for places with the same sort of conditions as a well known (and therfore patrolled by the police) location for liberty caps.
So that is:-
Soilscape 6: freely draining slightly acid loamy soils
Soilscape 8: slightly acid loamy and clayey soils with impeded drainage


The areas I've been searching within walking distance of my house have been mainly:-
Soilscape 18: slowly permeable seasonally wet slightly acid but base-rich loamy and clayey soils
So far no success here, but I'm planning excursions further afield in places more like the above...after a rain.

Posting specific locations is, of course, not a good idea. But looking up the conditions of sucessful hunting grounds and sharing them here could be an intersting tool to help home in on what to look for when searching out a new spot.

Edit:

Submitted data so far
England and Wales
Soilscape 8 -  Slightly acid loamy and clayey soils with impeded drainage
Soilscape 13 - Freely draining acid loamy soils over rock
Soilscape 14 - Freely draining very acid sandy and loamy soils. Good finds
Soilscape 16 - Very acid loamy upland soils with a wet peaty surface.  Drainage: surface wetness. Good finds
Soilscape 19 - Slowly permeable wet very acid upland soils with a peaty surface
Soilscape 25 - Blanket peat bog soil. Drainage: naturally wet. Good finds



Scotland
Peaty podzols - well drained acid soils (n.b I'd be interested to see how Liberty Caps grow in areas identified as peaty gleyed podzols, being similarly acidic but naturally wet, with poor drainage). Good finds
Humus-iron podzols - Well drained acid soils.  Good finds
Mineral alluvial soils - Soils developed in recent river deposits with either an organic-rich (humose) or mineral topsoil. Not-so good finds
Peaty alluvial soils - Soil developed in recent river deposits with a peaty surface layer.  Not-so good finds


Edit 20161011
Thanks to juliaset for finding this! Much more data available and covers the entirety of Great Britain.

http://www.ukso.org/maps.html

Edit 20141012

So far it seems that soils on the more acidic side of the scale (i.e. from Cranfield's soilscapes "acidic" and up) seem to yield the best results.  Slightly acidic areas also yield mushrooms, it is unclear yet if they yield fewer mushrooms than the more acidic areas, it could be that the more acidic places are also those with more naturally damp ground.
It seems very clear that areas with poor water drainage and high water tables make a difference when the weather has been too dry to keep the more freely draining soils damp - This would explain why peaty, boggy, moorland seem to be doing so well at the moment.


Edited by Cow_botherer (10/22/16 11:59 AM)


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Cow_botherer]
    #23721171 - 10/09/16 03:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This is so geeky. Love it!


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OfflineCow_botherer
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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: littlespider]
    #23721173 - 10/09/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Science!
Of shrooms :laugh:


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Cow_botherer]
    #23721180 - 10/09/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Here is my results:

Very acid loamy upland soils with a wet peaty surface.

Blanket bog peat soils.


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I give you the choice of 2 pills.

With each containing one of the following:
Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk?
Didn't think so.

This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Blazeyy] * 1
    #23721189 - 10/09/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Perfect! Thank you


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Cow_botherer] * 1
    #23724138 - 10/10/16 01:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Shameless self bump, this is proving interesting so far - explains why certain areas are proving to be very productive.

Anyone else want to contribute?


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Cow_botherer] * 2
    #23724222 - 10/10/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I want in on this. My best spot is a "Peaty podzol"

http://map.environment.gov.scot/Soil_maps/?layer=1#


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OfflineCow_botherer
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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: littlespider]
    #23724468 - 10/10/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ooh thanks spider that's useful.

Looking at the liberty cap hunting thread a lot of the more sucessful members are in areas where peaty ground is more common - interesting.


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Cow_botherer] * 1
    #23727421 - 10/11/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i've had good finds in lawn grass on: Humus-iron podzols.
but only a few on: Mineral alluvial soils with peaty alluvial soils, which is a flood plain

yet to check on Peaty podzols but will do next week after some rain and report back.

Edit: found this other soil map viewer which has some really cool features, such as terrain aspect (like south or north facing slopes)
http://www.ukso.org/maps.html
which takes you to the map viewer here and select which layers to add.
http://mapapps2.bgs.ac.uk/ukso/home.html?


Edited by juliaset (10/11/16 06:54 AM)


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OfflineCow_botherer
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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: juliaset]
    #23727523 - 10/11/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wow that link is very interesting, will have to dive into it later.
Thanks :smile:


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Cow_botherer] * 1
    #23728176 - 10/11/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Found my first ever liberty cap today!
I found a likely looking field with the sort of soil properties I've been looking for.
Chalk one up for soilscape 8!


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Cow_botherer] * 1
    #23728420 - 10/11/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Took a pic just for you soil nerds.
Mushy field



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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: littlespider]
    #23728594 - 10/11/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

excellent! we can actually see how the earth has formed on this shot.


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I give you the choice of 2 pills.

With each containing one of the following:
Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk?
Didn't think so.

This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Blazeyy]
    #23728626 - 10/11/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed, the layers are cool :smile: thanks for posting spider


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Cow_botherer]
    #23728742 - 10/11/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think they like the grasses that grow on boggy ground. Particularly the ones that are a bit purple. They do grow in places with the wide greens blades but just seems to go mad for the fine, tufty coloured grasses that go with reeds.


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: littlespider]
    #23730797 - 10/12/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

hundred percent agree with this statement, all my best spots are by reeds and lush green short grass with tufts of longer grass dotted around


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I give you the choice of 2 pills.

With each containing one of the following:
Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk?
Didn't think so.

This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Blazeyy]
    #23731652 - 10/12/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nice post, thanks for the link.

From what I can see, I've been picking at a variety of soilscapes. Mainly 6, but also 13 & 19.

I guess a lot depends on the temps and amount of water in the land, as libs are classed as 'frequent' in terms of availability in the season. Although a lot of us hunters would probably consider them mysterious, especially as each year they seem to move to different parts of the fields I check, all part of the fun though.


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: The Other Guy]
    #23731818 - 10/12/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey there :smile:
Thanks for the information building up a pretty decent picture now - how would you rate your findings at 13 and 19?


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: Cow_botherer]
    #23734139 - 10/13/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Cow_botherer said:how would you rate your findings at 13 and 19?




Well most of my finds have been on soilscape 6 as that's where I can get to easiest, but I never find huge numbers compared to some. I've found at 13 and 19 but probably had to cover more ground in order to find the same quantity.

Looking at that map has given me some good ideas of places to check out, soilscape 16 seems to be a good area to start with from your data, and I could also spend time in more soilscape 19 areas. If a lot depends on the PH then this could yield some good results.

Do you think it's worth checking soilscape 14 (Freely draining very acid sandy and loamy soils)? Good for acidity but maybe peaty soil with the higher organic content is better than sandy?


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Re: Soil Properties for Liberty Cap Hunting [Re: The Other Guy]
    #23736137 - 10/14/16 05:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

cool thread, just want to jump in so i'm subbed

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