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JagerTree


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NE Ohio Horse Manure Cubensis - Updated with more
#23720510 - 10/08/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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--1: the big one Habitat: Growing in a section of a pasture where horse manure has been piled up for 2 years.
Gills: see pictures
Stem: Thick (It got rather smashed, but is pictured)
Cap: 3" across almost flat with a curve down near the outside edge Fawn brown, fading toward the edge to a cream color with a blue tint
Spore print color: blackish brownish with a Purple tint
Bruising: Blue and kinda greenish
--2: The two small ones Habitat: Growing in a section of a pasture where horse manure has been piled up for 2 years.
Gills: different lengths like the dividing marks on a ruler extending in to the center.
Stem: Thin and long, a slight twist in the lines that travel up the shaft. almost woody texture mostly dark brown - black bruises to black
Cap: These 2 are dark brown, others were a little darker, some were lighter brown. A strong, even curve, with a little nipple on top.
Spore print color: Jet Black
Bruising: none

Edited by JagerTree (10/09/16 05:37 PM)
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree]
#23720522 - 10/08/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psilocybe cubensis and Panaeolus papilionaceus.
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree]
#23720523 - 10/08/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The large bluing one looks like Psilocybe cubensis.
The others are some species of Panaeolus.
I had no idea cubes grew that far north, am I mistaken trusted identifiers?
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An Ohio cube??? Wowsers trousers
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: Lucis]
#23720531 - 10/08/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's what I thought, too far north... which is why I ignored a bunch of them that were around all summer. I have been told OVER and OVER that "*NO* actives grow in horse manure in NE ohio!" and I always think "well, okay... should never say never, but idk, i'm a myconewb." If it is, it'll be the first decent active i've ever scored.
Edited by JagerTree (10/08/16 08:29 PM)
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree]
#23720549 - 10/08/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This has to be the furthest north a wild cubensis has ever been found by hundreds of miles, you have just given scores of people hope
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YAY!
It's somewhere between the ohio river, and youngstown... in case someone wants to know... i'm not getting any more specific. first edible active score!  !!!
NOM NOM NOM
Edited by JagerTree (10/08/16 08:15 PM)
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree]
#23720560 - 10/08/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
JagerTree said: "*NO* actives grow in horse manure in NE ohio!"
Panaeolus cinctulus do too.
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: Lucis]
#23720578 - 10/08/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have looked for pan cincts, but all I ever find is Pan foenisecii i think they are?... brown spores, not black?
I was hoping these might have been pan cincts, what makes the Panaeolus papilionaceus diff from Panaeolus Cinctulus?
Edited by JagerTree (10/08/16 08:22 PM)
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree]
#23720676 - 10/08/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Panaeolus papilionaceus 'margin adorned with white toothlike partial veil fragments when young'
Panaeolus papilionaceus has a much thinner stem than cinctulus- which also isn't normally found growing directly on dung.
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Awesome, thanks!
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree]
#23720754 - 10/08/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool find!
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure Cubensis [Re: JagerTree]
#23721011 - 10/08/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can you get some more pics of the P. cubensis?
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JagerTree


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Sorry, it's too late for pictures. 
next time they show up I'll post.
Edited by JagerTree (10/09/16 01:15 AM)
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure Cubensis [Re: JagerTree]
#23721141 - 10/09/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You may have eaten the only Psilocybe cubensis ever found in Ohio, I hope it was worth it.
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What'd you expect him to do?
Nobody asked him to save it.
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure Cubensis [Re: Ran-D]
#23721536 - 10/09/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would have eaten it too.
I'd really like to see photos of the habitat this was found in.
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure Cubensis [Re: JagerTree] 1
#23721569 - 10/09/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a theory about this.
I used to find Psilocybe cubensis in a very northern part of Georgia, but only at the end of the year, and always on a mixture of stable shavings, hay, and horse dung. They would only fruit for a short period of time, but always at the end of the year, and never in great quantities.
I don't see why a mushroom wouldn't grow in a state they're usually not found in, if the conditions were correct for it to fruit, then I think if the spores were they, they would fruit, they just take longer to grow because the area lacks the consistent humidity and warmer climates cubensis are accustomed to growing in. Perhaps cubensis is more widespread, but the season is just short in the more norther states, and they don't fruit in such great numbers like in the gulf regions, so are not thought to grow there because rarely observed doing so.
Perhaps people should be looking for cubensis in other states at the end of the summer/early fall, in horse pastures. Try to find the area where all the dung is dumped (no pun intended), give that a look.
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Quote:
RiverDweller1 said: I would have eaten it too.
I'd really like to see photos of the habitat this was found in.
If you found one growing naturally in Oregon would you eat it?
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Sure, after a spore print and a tissue sample on agar
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does this mean we can't be friends lol
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It was VERY worth it, surprisingly potent. I'll post a pic of the area I found it when I can get back to the location sometime this week. I'm almost positive there were a few more within the past month that I dismissed because I didn't think they were actually cubes. I'll definitely keep my eyes on that area from now on!
I wiped up the spores from the print onto a cotton swab (Q-tip)... If I put it under a pile of manure in the same area next year how likely would I be to get a colony? Would there be a certain time of the year I should do that? Is there a better way? I wasn't very careful with them so it could've been contaminated. I did a bit of reading since last night, so I'll know better next time to be more careful and get a good clean spore sample.
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure Cubensis [Re: JagerTree]
#23722103 - 10/09/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Please go out and find more. Try to get some in situ shots if you can. What have the temperatures been like in the area?
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Quote:
maynardjameskeenan said: Please go out and find more.
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure Cubensis [Re: doctorghosty]
#23722363 - 10/09/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's been a warm summer. This was in a semi-shaded area, the past month or two has alternated each week between being dry and wet. This past week has started to cool off, getting down to around 50-55 degrees at night, then 70s in the day.
Edited by JagerTree (10/09/16 02:12 PM)
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So you guys are sending more than flying carp North. Thank You very much. I can't wait till Almaguin has it's first outdoor cube naturally.We had a extra month of summer this year and I have seen more fungi than ever up here.We're close in latitude I believe.Never listen to the skeptics.
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: Pinpapa]
#23722894 - 10/09/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I found 3, maybe 4 more today!  I'll post more pics in a few, getting them ready now
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree]
#23722929 - 10/09/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Huh, I wonder if the spores spread off of someone from an indoor grow and found just the right micro-climate?
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JagerTree


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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: Mr Piggy]
#23722968 - 10/09/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's my family's property... could be a neighbor or someone near by with a grow but i highly doubt it. Not many people within .25 miles.
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree] 1
#23722975 - 10/09/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's the area I found them:
 
This is where I found the new ones today:

And the 3 that I'm fairly sure about, plus 1 that I'm not sure (the big one):
 

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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree]
#23723034 - 10/09/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Take a bunch of prints if you can, some cultivator is gonna want to isolate those cold climate cube genetics...
Big one looks like a cube to me also, hard to say for sure from that blurry gill pic, make sure it's bruising blue
Nice job, sir!
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JagerTree


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I don't think the big one is a cube, spores are brown.
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Re: NE Ohio Horse Manure [Re: JagerTree]
#23723572 - 10/09/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, probably not.
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