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Repertoire89
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Re: best floor standing speakers [Re: Masked] 1
#23720550 - 10/08/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm also a big fan of neutral response, the closer you get to natural the better, it may never be possible to perfectly mimic live acoustics, but outright coloring in another direction is counterproductive.
Especially coming from a background in Classical, ICM and "Jazz". All of these are produced neutral, minimal EQ'ing and etc.
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Re: best floor standing speakers [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#23720553 - 10/08/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very much agree 
Jazz sounds fucking magical on my system.
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Re: best floor standing speakers [Re: Repertoire89] 2
#23720585 - 10/08/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The science of sound is incredibly fascinating, studying psychoacoustics would be awesome.
Sound is all the more amazing to me becouse it is all just vibrations, the range of frequencies is pretty crazy too and applies to many aspects of life.
Here is a site I found awhile back while looking for samples of sounds from space: http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/space-audio/
They have some really crazy recordings from space that have been brought into the audible frequency range for humans as many of these sounds are so incredibly high pitched they are way beyond our range of hearing. Its even crazier becouse what you are hearing is actually particles interacting in space creating bizarre sounds. They even captured some while probes passed planets like saturn.
I know this is pretty off topic but some of you may find it interesting like I did, here is a page of assorted space sounds from that site: http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/space-audio/sounds/
They have recordings of the northern lights particle interactions that are very strange
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https://www.hifiwigwam.com/royd-troubadour-little-marvels/
Royd Troubadour, £1200, so about, what, $1500? With that money left over you could buy a secondhand garrard 401 and get it serviced, if you're into records at all. If not, get one, get records.
This speaker is amazing. I grew up listening to the minstrels as that's what my dad had and these new ones sound better in every way. I can't quantify qualify but if you get the chance, do have a listen.
Discontinued but someone may be willing to part with them: http://www.soundstage.com/greg01.htm Klipsch Forte 2's.
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Visionary Tools said: https://www.hifiwigwam.com/royd-troubadour-little-marvels/
Royd Troubadour, £1200, so about, what, $1500? With that money left over you could buy a secondhand garrard 401 and get it serviced, if you're into records at all. If not, get one, get records.
This speaker is amazing. I grew up listening to the minstrels as that's what my dad had and these new ones sound better in every way. I can't quantify qualify but if you get the chance, do have a listen.
Discontinued but someone may be willing to part with them: http://www.soundstage.com/greg01.htm Klipsch Forte 2's.
I notice that the Royd Troubadour uses Martin Logan's patented tweeter and yet is more expensive and has less mid range drivers. It's really hard to get beyond the value they provide and I'll again state that I have yet to hear a tweeter capable of producing the sound that comes from it.
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Re: best floor standing speakers [Re: Repertoire89]
#23721597 - 10/09/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: I'm also a big fan of neutral response, the closer you get to natural the better, it may never be possible to perfectly mimic live acoustics, but outright coloring in another direction is counterproductive.
Especially coming from a background in Classical, ICM and "Jazz". All of these are produced neutral, minimal EQ'ing and etc.
Too Neutral response can also be cold and flat. The golden rule is that, what sounds best to each individual's ear is best for them. I own a range of audiophile headphones and have worked through various speakers.
I often find the industry's neutral response sound reproduction devices to be cold, sterile, thin sounding, harsh, and flat. It lacks life and doesn't evoke emotion. That's not the kind of experience I want from my speakers.
B&W I found to be notorious for this. While they are sharp, clear, and neutral they felt cold and dead. Jazz is supposed to evoke emotion and capture. Classical music is supposed to strike out at you and roll through your listening room as if an orchestra is present.
Neutral speakers are just that... they remain to neutral when they should sometimes be present and forward. Midrange is midrange for a reason. It's where most of the sound content lies :
 When a speaker doesn't focus and give special attention to this it sounds 'flat' B&W I found to be horrid at midrange. It sounded like a sterile presentation of all frequency ranges. While neutral and accurate, It lacked life.
An amazing speaker focuses on the midrange and presents it in a beautiful and warm hue. It is capable of also producing sharp and clearly defined treble/higher frequencies that stand out clearly vs the midrange (electrostatic tweeters) are amazing at this job. The low bass punches and hits you in the gut. The music bass warmly resonates and rounds the room The upper bass provides a signature for the midrange.
This is what a well engineered hifi speaker produces.
Super sterile neutral speakers are for audio engineers in sound studios attempting to provide the consumer with the most pure audio signal so that they may then taylor it to their needs. You don't want this for your listening experience. You also don't want a horrible colored speaker that distorts or muddles the true sound that the audio engineer intended. You want warm neutral sweet spot in between.
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Re: best floor standing speakers [Re: phio]
#23721704 - 10/09/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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phio said:
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Visionary Tools said: https://www.hifiwigwam.com/royd-troubadour-little-marvels/
Royd Troubadour, £1200, so about, what, $1500? With that money left over you could buy a secondhand garrard 401 and get it serviced, if you're into records at all. If not, get one, get records.
This speaker is amazing. I grew up listening to the minstrels as that's what my dad had and these new ones sound better in every way. I can't quantify qualify but if you get the chance, do have a listen.
Discontinued but someone may be willing to part with them: http://www.soundstage.com/greg01.htm Klipsch Forte 2's.
I notice that the Royd Troubadour uses Martin Logan's patented tweeter and yet is more expensive and has less mid range drivers. It's really hard to get beyond the value they provide and I'll again state that I have yet to hear a tweeter capable of producing the sound that comes from it.
Happens a lot in the industry. Someone invents something good, and others want in on it. Often they end up using it but putting their own twist on it and charging more. All I can say is, I have heard these and I am really impressed and they are good for small rooms.
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Visionary Tools said:
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phio said:
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Visionary Tools said: https://www.hifiwigwam.com/royd-troubadour-little-marvels/
Royd Troubadour, £1200, so about, what, $1500? With that money left over you could buy a secondhand garrard 401 and get it serviced, if you're into records at all. If not, get one, get records.
This speaker is amazing. I grew up listening to the minstrels as that's what my dad had and these new ones sound better in every way. I can't quantify qualify but if you get the chance, do have a listen.
Discontinued but someone may be willing to part with them: http://www.soundstage.com/greg01.htm Klipsch Forte 2's.
I notice that the Royd Troubadour uses Martin Logan's patented tweeter and yet is more expensive and has less mid range drivers. It's really hard to get beyond the value they provide and I'll again state that I have yet to hear a tweeter capable of producing the sound that comes from it.
Happens a lot in the industry. Someone invents something good, and others want in on it. Often they end up using it but putting their own twist on it and charging more. All I can say is, I have heard these and I am really impressed and they are good for small rooms.
That tweeter is fuckn magical . I'll never forget when I first heard it in the listening room... I was like 'fauuuuuuk what is that SOUND !?!?!?!' The whole package was like a religious experience.
No matter what set someone goes with, I hope that they have that same experience with the set they chose.
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Re: best floor standing speakers [Re: phio]
#23721797 - 10/09/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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phio said:
Too Neutral response can also be cold and flat. The golden rule is that, what sounds best to each individual's ear is best for them. I own a range of audiophile headphones and have worked through various speakers.
I often find the industry's neutral response sound reproduction devices to be cold, sterile, thin sounding, harsh, and flat. It lacks life and doesn't evoke emotion. That's not the kind of experience I want from my speakers.
I've never had this problem, a neutral response should directly convey the production, anything off would be a fault of the sound system or the production. The opposite has been my experience, unnaturally emphasizing tonal ranges flattens out the peaks and valleys.
With a decent setup this isn't really an issue in either direction though. I would think if it really bothers you, that the issue is psychoacoustical.
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I know this thread is a little bit oldie...Just curious how your career is going? What new you brought to the world?
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Re: best floor standing speakers [Re: DeLinux]
#26615664 - 04/20/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It all depends for what purpose you buy the speakers. Each speaker has a certain purpose and you need to find yours. Three years ago I bought Pioneer SP-FS52 because I wanted to become a good orator and for this I needed a lot to practice.
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Re: best floor standing speakers [Re: s1ckness]
#26617437 - 04/21/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll just chime in that I got me some Polk LSiM 707s and 707C, and they're absolutely incredible.
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Re: best floor standing speakers [Re: badchad]
#26617696 - 04/21/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have 2 floor speakers made for TV in particular RCA SP4100 T. I think I paid 70 each from some store that was closing a couple years back.
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Been kind of wanting to look into a new pair of PA speakers, or even a surround sound set up. But there's so much other cool music related gear out it's tough, need more money to afford it all
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I'm loving my mackie thump 1300w powered speaker.
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