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Sarah Tonin
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LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant
#23719032 - 10/08/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any ID help is much appreciated - thanks!!!
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#23719043 - 10/08/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like an active Panaeolus species to me. I don't know shit about them or what they're called currently.
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23719053 - 10/08/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Was wondering if it could be pan bisporous...
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#23719083 - 10/08/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's an excellent MO observation if you care to compare microscopic workup of yours
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23719108 - 10/08/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks - I can take the spore print to the next mycological meeting and see if it looks the same.
MO's "Copelandia" pics are way whiter, but when I grew bisporous, it was this same velvety suede-like taupe colored cap:

But cultivating and nature tend to make things look way different so
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#23719127 - 10/08/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you grew them, then that's likely what you have. Did you use substrate in your potted plant lol? Not a bad spore to be hanging out in your house though, nice.
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#23719137 - 10/08/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Sarah Tonin said: Thanks - I can take the spore print to the next mycological meeting and see if it looks the same.
Take a whole fruit body! Bispora is proven by two spored basidia
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23719183 - 10/08/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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.....not just some chunky pan cincts huh? Extremely healthy if they are. Imperfect off round caps. Would expect a prominent twisting striations on stipe, but the reddish brown is there.
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23719208 - 10/08/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was successful in getting only this one (bisporous) fruit which I loved the look of so kept trying. (Have since been told that pans/copelandia really do best if one goes back to the spore print regularly so trying that next.) The planter is outside and it's possible I dumped failed grain spawn (of all kinds) in to feed the worms when I potted this lemon verbena up in spring.
I hope there will be a fresh fruit to take to the meeting but if not, will take dried ones. 
Yeah, couldn't be happier if it turns out these are truly bisporous! What I couldn't accomplish inside magically happens with no effort outside when the wind & rain come...
Origyn, just seeing your post... I'll look at cincts - is that twisting stipe exclusive to bisporous? So beautiful and one of the reasons I was so amped to keep trying to grow them.
Riverdweller, no substrate in the planter, but possibly moldy grain, or what I thought was moldy. Pan myc just looks moldy period.
Edited by Sarah Tonin (10/08/16 11:53 AM)
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#23719235 - 10/08/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"...What I couldn't accomplish inside magically happens with no effort outside when the wind & rain come..."
ain't that the truth.
Sounds like you have neat home projects. Cheers!
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23719726 - 10/08/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was speaking to P. Cinctulus, sorry.
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Origyn]
#23720004 - 10/08/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pics from today - the larger one I didn't pic yesterday is getting white, panaeolus style 

What's ideal picking stage?
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23720039 - 10/08/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was speaking to P. Cinctulus, sorry.
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Origyn]
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Origyn]
#23720082 - 10/08/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Mr Piggy] 1
#23722090 - 10/09/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is this a good point to pick for printing or should I let them open more?
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Sarah Tonin] 4
#24213279 - 04/02/17 01:30 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I took prints and grew these

and just got these microscopic images back of spores from a friend with this note:
" I looked at your mushrooms under the microscope and am including some pictures. I was NOT able to locate any 2-spored basidia that would be a smoking gun as far as identification is concerned (oddly I found no basidia at all!). I am a newbie when it comes to microscopy and it is very possible that I missed something. The limited information that I was able to find about bisporus would lead me to believe that your mushrooms are probably not that. Feel free to share these photos with anyone who might be able to shed some more light on the subject. The spores measured 8-9m X 10-11.5m. The cystidia were approximately 50 X 11-15 (at the widest point)
Again, take all this with a grain of salt. I am still in the early stages of learning……………. Let me know what you find out"

Any new speculations as to what these might be?
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Sarah Tonin]
#24213337 - 04/02/17 01:55 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Copelandia sp. Needs DNA work and micro of the basidia.
Likely the same one that turns up on the west coast and people call bispora, but also likely a new species. I have sequences from Ohio and need to study more west coast collections.
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#24217395 - 04/04/17 09:52 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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very interesting indeed..
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Re: LBM's growing on hemlock chips in planter under lemon verbena plant [Re: funkymonk22]
#24217912 - 04/04/17 01:33 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is awesome. What a lovely surprise!
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