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Ifishhigh
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Where to get good cacti
#23718553 - 10/08/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think I'm breaking any rules by asking because I checked all the sponsors on shroomery and no one is sending me cactus in us. Can anyone or someone please pm me and tell me where I can get some good fresh or good powder. I tried jimmzz on eBay. I did 1 foot of his bridgesii and felt nothing. Than I ordered powder from a guy in Peru, did a everclear extraction of 50 grams powdered this morning and didn't trip. I thought for sure I would feel it today. Please can someone tell me where to get something dependable. Pm me. I want to write a trip report already !!!!!!
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23719072 - 10/08/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In a few years I'm going to start growing tons of cactus and when they get old enough i'm gunna start selling them for a good price and they will be good product. I'll make a site and everything. Dependable stuff can be found online u just gotta find the right site
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Grow yer own. Seeds are easy to find, worldseedsupply is a sponsor and has many different varieties of trichocereus. It takes a few years but eventually you'll have all the mescaline you want. Otherwise, buy live cuttings of t. bridgesii and grow it out. Buying powder or cuttings to just cut up is expensive and kind of wasteful. Taking cuttings of established plants that you have is free and if done right will simply encourage your plants to send out more pups and lead toward more cactus. Buy a few cuttings if you absolutel must try it right away, one to consume and a couple to grow out.
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Im surprised Jiimz didn't cut it for you. That's regarded as prime cactus right there. You sure it wasn't the preparation? Are you on any meds? I sure hope you're wrong because I have some San Pedros in the mail and Bridgesii already that i think may have come from him as well.
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Could of been how I prepped it. For example I only did 1 pull. I took only the outer skin off. I cut up the whole cutting 12 ft core too. Blended it with water. Bring to a boil in pot. Than reduced to simmer. Did this for 6 hours adding water on 2 occasions. At the 6 hour mark I let it reduce. Strained through cheese cloth. Cooled overnight than drank first thing in the morning. I didn't feel anything. My prep could of been amateur I guess. I didn't add lemon juice . I'm on no meds
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23719738 - 10/08/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I were to retry it the one thing I would do different. I would have strained it before letting it reduce. As in cook for desired time of chourse than strain than add back to reduce. Straining it after reduction is too difficult because it's so thick it dosent want to pass through straining method ( shirt or cheese cloth ) . I think this is a good ideas. Someone with more expertise can correct me if I'm wrong
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23719825 - 10/08/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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u only really need to cook the stuff for like 2-4 hours, doing it more than that is pretty much overkill, and its not good to run out of water, u always gotta have some water in there for the alkaloids to filter into, I think distilled water is best but any type will work
I bet that your cactus was just really impotent If a cactus is less than say at least 2 years old, it will take more cactus to really blast off, ideally you would want deeply dark cuttings from a plant which has been growing 10+ years, but thats in a perfect world. It's hard to know how good the cuttings are when you aren't growing your own stuff, cactus potency can really vary and this is especially the case with young cacti
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ergoticmandala said: u only really need to cook the stuff for like 2-4 hours, doing it more than that is pretty much overkill, and its not good to run out of water, u always gotta have some water in there for the alkaloids to filter into, I think distilled water is best but any type will work
I bet that your cactus was just really impotent If a cactus is less than say at least 2 years old, it will take more cactus to really blast off, ideally you would want deeply dark cuttings from a plant which has been growing 10+ years, but thats in a perfect world. It's hard to know how good the cuttings are when you aren't growing your own stuff, cactus potency can really vary and this is especially the case with young cacti
2-4 hours doesn't sound long enough I imagine you are using too much heat if it actually gets down to a drinkable amount in that time.
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ulyssies]
#23721693 - 10/09/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I prefer to dry, then do an alcohol extraction. No drinking nasty shit. Limited nausea. Get the goods. I do 4 pulls with 90% iso then one pull with water+lemon juice boiled for an hour or two then pour it all together and evap at room temp. Takes a while but the product is excellent. Full spectrum fun and it kicks in pretty fast, feeling peripherals at 1 hours, tripping hard by 3 or 4.
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P.Zappatecorum said: I prefer to dry, then do an alcohol extraction. No drinking nasty shit. Limited nausea. Get the goods. I do 4 pulls with 90% iso then one pull with water+lemon juice boiled for an hour or two then pour it all together and evap at room temp. Takes a while but the product is excellent. Full spectrum fun and it kicks in pretty fast, feeling peripherals at 1 hours, tripping hard by 3 or 4.
Can you shed a little more light on this method? Looking for the full recipe. I tried to make some tea a couple weeks ago and it was a bust.
I've got another batch on this stove as I type this. This time I'm going to try House's Tek and I am hoping for some resin as the final product.
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23723329 - 10/09/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23723374 - 10/09/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: This is what I do. I use everclear which is 190 proof and follow this tek
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23723482 - 10/09/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: This is what I do. I use everclear which is 190 proof and follow this tek
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/
Do you know how to made trie powder? Would I just left the cactus dry out completely then put in a blender or coffee grinder? Or would I need to discard some of the cactus before making powder?
I've tried finding this online before but again, no luck.
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I never dried fresh cactus. I have bought dried chips and ground in coffe grinder. If u have fresh I think u would remove skin. Than cut into discs. Than remove core. And than put in food dehydrator. Again I have never done that though
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Drying the cactus is kinda hard, they are designed to hold water in high heat. You need a dehydrator. I cut them into thin strips and score the flesh as much as possible so there's maximum surface area and put the dehydrator on 130 degrees. Powderize in a a coffee grinder.
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23724026 - 10/09/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: If u have fresh I think u would remove skin. Than cut into discs. Than remove core. And than put in food dehydrator. Again I have never done that though
Don't remove skin, the most active alkaloids are in that thin green layer just beneath the skin.
You can just wash your cactus, and cut into star shapes which are thin, you can even use an oven if you don't have a dehydrator, nexus has some good info on there about doing things this way.
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Lucis]
#23724103 - 10/10/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're going to grind it and do an alcohol extraction you don't need to remove anything except maybe the spines and really woody core, the soft core at the tip I just grind up and throw in with everything else. You don't need to remove the waxy outer layer either.
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The waxy outer layer dosent contain any goodies though am I correct?
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23724860 - 10/10/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It does not, but it is a pain in the ass to remove and sometimes takes off a bit of the green layer that does contain actives when you're removing it. It is unnecessary to remove if you are doing an alcohol extraction. It will be filtered off later.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (10/10/16 11:11 AM)
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P.Zappatecorum said: It does not, but it is a pain in the ass to remove and sometimes takes off a bit of the green layer that does contain actives when you're removing it. It is unnecessary to remove if you are doing an alcohol extraction. It will be filtered off later.
Good to know, thanks!
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ergoticmandala said: u only really need to cook the stuff for like 2-4 hours, doing it more than that is pretty much overkill, and its not good to run out of water, u always gotta have some water in there for the alkaloids to filter into, I think distilled water is best but any type will work
I bet that your cactus was just really impotent If a cactus is less than say at least 2 years old, it will take more cactus to really blast off, ideally you would want deeply dark cuttings from a plant which has been growing 10+ years, but thats in a perfect world. It's hard to know how good the cuttings are when you aren't growing your own stuff, cactus potency can really vary and this is especially the case with young cacti
2-4 hours doesn't sound long enough I imagine you are using too much heat if it actually gets down to a drinkable amount in that time.
you get most of the actives in that amount of time, i'd estimate about 85%, you can get it down to a drinkable amount in that time if you don't put too much water in initially, i'm just poinitng out that the 6-8 hour recommendation is overkill
but if you have the time then do it for longer tho it'll get more actives for sure
I've cooked it on a low boil for two hours before and it's been very active
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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23725812 - 10/10/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: This is what I do. I use everclear which is 190 proof and follow this tek
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/
So what do you do between each pull? It says to pull it three times, and to filter the alcohol through a coffee filter and into a jar. Do I allow each jar to evaporate separately or is it better to wait and combine each pull at the end and allow them to evaporate together?
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Ifishhigh said: This is what I do. I use everclear which is 190 proof and follow this tek
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/
So what do you do between each pull? It says to pull it three times, and to filter the alcohol through a coffee filter and into a jar. Do I allow each jar to evaporate separately or is it better to wait and combine each pull at the end and allow them to evaporate together?
Also, I have heard some people say that the purity level is not great using this method. Have you had the same experience? Also, how's the trip? I've also heard mix reviews on that too using this method.
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I think it's better to wait and condense together, that makes for a more homogenous mixture if you are doing a big batch with many doses worth of cactus. Doing a final pull with water and a bit of some kind of acid is good because the final product will be slightly less pure but much easier to work with. A little vinegar or citric acid makes the final tar much less oily and easier to scrape then roll into balls. Straight ISO tar is sticky as fuck and super hard to work with. With a water+vinegar pull added it was dry enough to roll into pills without them sticking to everything.
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P.Zappatecorum said: I think it's better to wait and condense together, that makes for a more homogenous mixture if you are doing a big batch with many doses worth of cactus. Doing a final pull with water and a bit of some kind of acid is good because the final product will be slightly less pure but much easier to work with. A little vinegar or citric acid makes the final tar much less oily and easier to scrape then roll into balls. Straight ISO tar is sticky as fuck and super hard to work with. With a water+vinegar pull added it was dry enough to roll into pills without them sticking to everything.
Thanks. I'll plan to wait and do it all together at the end. I've got 24" of bridgesii being delivered in the next day or two.
I want my first mescaline trip to be a proper one so I think I'll dose 100g (assuming I have that much) and was also planning to powder the entire thing, sans thorns.
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Thanks. I'll plan to wait and do it all together at the end. I've got 24" of bridgesii being delivered in the next day or two.
I want my first mescaline trip to be a proper one so I think I'll dose 100g (assuming I have that much) and was also planning to powder the entire thing, sans thorns.
Whoa buddy. Let's assume you have average potency bridgesii, at 1% mescaline that would give you 1000mg mescaline, which I think most would agree is far too much. 500mg is considered a strong dose, 300 is medium. I would weigh your material out dry before extracting, record that, assume it's about 1% and apply that amount of mescaline to the tar you have. So let's say you have 100 dry weight, that gives you 1000mg mescaline in your tar, if you get say 20 g tar, that means your tar is going to have about 100mg per 2g. You could roll your tar into 2g size balls and take 3-5 of those depending on how strong you want the trip. Once you've tried a batch you can calibrate whether you want more or less the next time. That's why I think people should do at least rough alcohol extractions and weigh the dry weight ahead of time. Trying to guess content by inches and wet weight is ridiculous and why you get people constantly complaining that they either over or under did it. Brewing tea from wet cactus is entirely uncivilized.
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Whoa buddy. Let's assume you have average potency bridgesii, at 1% mescaline that would give you 1000mg mescaline, which I think most would agree is far too much. 500mg is considered a strong dose, 300 is medium. I would weigh your material out dry before extracting, record that, assume it's about 1% and apply that amount of mescaline to the tar you have. So let's say you have 100 dry weight, that gives you 1000mg mescaline in your tar, if you get say 20 g tar, that means your tar is going to have about 100mg per 2g. You could roll your tar into 2g size balls and take 3-5 of those depending on how strong you want the trip. Once you've tried a batch you can calibrate whether you want more or less the next time. That's why I think people should do at least rough alcohol extractions and weigh the dry weight ahead of time. Trying to guess content by inches and wet weight is ridiculous and why you get people constantly complaining that they either over or under did it. Brewing tea from wet cactus is entirely uncivilized. 
haha. ok, i'll scale it back. thanks for the info, where were you in my recent mescaline posts that have gone mostly unanswered?!?
it seems like it's a tough topic to get answers on, even though most people say its on of their faves
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Brewing tea from wet cactus is entirely uncivilized.
yea cus the tar balls are class
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Brewing tea from wet cactus is entirely uncivilized.
yea cus the tar balls are class
It's a joke, son. But really, you like drinking that shit?
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i was joking also, and no it tastes so bad, i just don't have the time or ressources to extract
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Has anyone tried his San Pedro? I just got 3 ft of Pedro that i've potted but they look PC. I've always heard good things about his cacti though so I'm hoping someone can correct me :P
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