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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23724897 - 10/10/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It does not, but it is a pain in the ass to remove and sometimes takes off a bit of the green layer that does contain actives when you're removing it. It is unnecessary to remove if you are doing an alcohol extraction. It will be filtered off later.





Good to know, thanks!


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23724917 - 10/10/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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u only really need to cook the stuff for like 2-4 hours, doing it more than that is pretty much overkill, and its not good to run out of water, u always gotta have some water in there for the alkaloids to filter into, I think distilled water is best but any type will work

I bet that your cactus was just really impotent
If a cactus is less than say at least 2 years old, it will take more cactus to really blast off, ideally you would want deeply dark cuttings from a plant which has been growing 10+ years, but thats in a perfect world. It's hard to know how good the cuttings are when you aren't growing your own stuff, cactus potency can really vary and this is especially the case with young cacti



2-4 hours doesn't sound long enough I imagine you are using too much heat if it actually gets down to a drinkable amount in that time.




you get most of the actives in that amount of time, i'd estimate about 85%, you can get it down to a drinkable amount in that time if you don't put too much water in initially, i'm just poinitng out that the 6-8 hour recommendation is overkill

but if you have the time then do it for longer tho it'll get more actives for sure

I've cooked it on a low boil for two hours before and it's been very active


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #23725812 - 10/10/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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This is what I do. I use everclear which is 190 proof and follow this tek

http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/




So what do you do between each pull?  It says to pull it three times, and to filter the alcohol through a coffee filter and into a jar.  Do I allow each jar to evaporate separately or is it better to wait and combine each pull at the end and allow them to evaporate together?


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23725818 - 10/10/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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This is what I do. I use everclear which is 190 proof and follow this tek

http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/319770-alcohol-extract-for-mescaline-cacti-made-easy/




So what do you do between each pull?  It says to pull it three times, and to filter the alcohol through a coffee filter and into a jar.  Do I allow each jar to evaporate separately or is it better to wait and combine each pull at the end and allow them to evaporate together?




Also, I have heard some people say that the purity level is not great using this method.  Have you had the same experience?  Also, how's the trip?  I've also heard mix reviews on that too using this method.


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23725845 - 10/10/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's better to wait and condense together, that makes for a more homogenous mixture if you are doing a big batch with many doses worth of cactus. Doing a final pull with water and a bit of some kind of acid is good because the final product will be slightly less pure but much easier to work with.  A little vinegar or citric acid makes the final tar much less oily and easier to scrape then roll into balls. Straight ISO tar is sticky as fuck and super hard to work with. With a water+vinegar pull added it was dry enough to roll into pills without them sticking to everything.


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23725958 - 10/10/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it's better to wait and condense together, that makes for a more homogenous mixture if you are doing a big batch with many doses worth of cactus. Doing a final pull with water and a bit of some kind of acid is good because the final product will be slightly less pure but much easier to work with.  A little vinegar or citric acid makes the final tar much less oily and easier to scrape then roll into balls. Straight ISO tar is sticky as fuck and super hard to work with. With a water+vinegar pull added it was dry enough to roll into pills without them sticking to everything.




Thanks.  I'll plan to wait and do it all together at the end.  I've got 24" of bridgesii being delivered in the next day or two. 

I want my first mescaline trip to be a proper one so I think I'll dose 100g (assuming I have that much) and was also planning to powder the entire thing, sans thorns.


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23726483 - 10/10/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks.  I'll plan to wait and do it all together at the end.  I've got 24" of bridgesii being delivered in the next day or two. 

I want my first mescaline trip to be a proper one so I think I'll dose 100g (assuming I have that much) and was also planning to powder the entire thing, sans thorns.




Whoa buddy. Let's assume you have average potency bridgesii, at 1% mescaline that would give you 1000mg mescaline, which I think most would agree is far too much. 500mg is considered a strong dose, 300 is medium. I would weigh your material out dry before extracting, record that, assume it's about 1% and apply that amount of mescaline to the tar you have. So let's say you have 100 dry weight, that gives you 1000mg mescaline in your tar, if you get say 20 g tar, that means your tar is going to have about 100mg per 2g. You could roll your tar into 2g size balls and take 3-5 of those depending on how strong you want the trip. Once you've tried a batch you can calibrate whether you want more or less the next time. That's why I think people should do at least rough alcohol extractions and weigh the dry weight ahead of time. Trying to guess content by inches and wet weight is ridiculous and why you get people constantly complaining that they either over or under did it. Brewing tea from wet cactus is entirely uncivilized. :lol:


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23726518 - 10/10/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Whoa buddy. Let's assume you have average potency bridgesii, at 1% mescaline that would give you 1000mg mescaline, which I think most would agree is far too much. 500mg is considered a strong dose, 300 is medium. I would weigh your material out dry before extracting, record that, assume it's about 1% and apply that amount of mescaline to the tar you have. So let's say you have 100 dry weight, that gives you 1000mg mescaline in your tar, if you get say 20 g tar, that means your tar is going to have about 100mg per 2g. You could roll your tar into 2g size balls and take 3-5 of those depending on how strong you want the trip. Once you've tried a batch you can calibrate whether you want more or less the next time. That's why I think people should do at least rough alcohol extractions and weigh the dry weight ahead of time. Trying to guess content by inches and wet weight is ridiculous and why you get people constantly complaining that they either over or under did it. Brewing tea from wet cactus is entirely uncivilized. :lol:




haha.  ok, i'll scale it back.  thanks for the info, where were you in my recent mescaline posts that have gone mostly unanswered?!?

it seems like it's a tough topic to get answers on, even though most people say its on of their faves


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23728284 - 10/11/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Brewing tea from wet cactus is entirely uncivilized.



yea cus the tar balls are class


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23728291 - 10/11/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23728785 - 10/11/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Brewing tea from wet cactus is entirely uncivilized.



yea cus the tar balls are class



It's a joke, son. But really, you like drinking that shit?


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23730200 - 10/12/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i was joking also, and no it tastes so bad, i just don't have the time or ressources to extract


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Re: Where to get good cacti [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23734528 - 10/13/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Has anyone tried his San Pedro? I just got 3 ft of Pedro that i've potted but they look PC. I've always heard good things about his cacti though so I'm hoping someone can correct me :P


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