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seeing things while meditating?
#23718381 - 10/08/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hi everyone, im new here.
about a year or two ago i just started getting into spirituality and meditation obviously comes up, ive tried it a couple times but im just a little confused i had a friend whos very spiritual and he meditates alot, he told me that he meditated once and he went into this black hole and his body started shift shaping etc, and i read a book called "the ancient secret of the flower of life" and this man called drunvalo talks about how he mediates and sees angels/higher selves and even his wife saw them and i think, to be honest, i mediate because i want an experience like that but i dont know if its real? can someone really be in a deep mediation and connect to the universe like that? and im not talking about drugs either. also when people talk to their higher selves, are they actually talking like as if theyre talking to another person or do they just randomly think of random thoughts and call it their 'higher selves'?
sorry if this is confusing, hopefully someone will understand
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: notsureyet]
#23718410 - 10/08/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The idea of meditation has been misconstrued, meditation does not only mean sitting with closed eyes, that idea was created so that we use our imagination to create the illusion of change. Meditation is sitting in silence without distractions, silencing the thoughts, and lessening our desires for sin. Agknowledging our agknowledgement to our agknowledgement of what we observe and every slight motion of our body, and observing how it feels and looks rather than perceiving as comfort or pain. Over time, with intentions of being less and less drenched in sin, the ego will start to receed and the true self begins to surface, ans eventually we will see our alien body as it is and then look around and see the our reality become more real, so real that its scary, and that reality is what God is. The body will become pure light, and any sin will turn the light out for good, but there is no afterlife, we will just feel the burden of letting ourself down from a 100% peaceful existence, and the torment we put on ourself can be damaging, until we enter the matrix forealz. Some things that helped me manifest were being devoted to answering my own questions and not asking for favors, 0 questions, perceiving the world around me as if I was the last person alive, and truly embracing it long enough to watch my confidence raise and my ego disappear. Avoiding television and electronics, really just avoided words entirely. Fasting is good practice for rejecting temptations, and as the mind craves more the body craves less, and vice versa. This truly changed my life, self reliance is the most fulfilling achievement, it is the key to the end of unhappiness.
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: bigdoodie] 1
#23718885 - 10/08/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes you can grow and connect without drugs, shape shifting, telepathy, etc all become real over time, everyone communicates with their higher self differently, youll just have to find out for your self
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: notsureyet] 1
#23719039 - 10/08/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is the point of all of that? Does it do anything for you, spiritually? Do you come out of shape shifting in a clearer state of awareness than you were beforehand, helping you to live more for the benefit of all sentient beings?
It's just like teleportation, controlling matter, super powers: these are referred to as sidhis in the vedic tradition, or psychic powers. They are very tempting, to go after unfolding psychic powers, but they are a trap if used to satiate the desires of the ego.
In my opinion, the point of meditation is not to get caught up in psychic visions or trances, to teleport into astral realms and learn how to levitate. It is simply to clear the mind and gain the power of concentration so that we can focus on compassion and objective observation of reality. Of course, this is just my opinion, but in order to achieve that kind of spiritual unfolding, it's actually best to ignore visions, auditory hallucinations, etc. in meditation. If you want to go on vision quests, then do just that, but don't call it meditation.
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: Chakra Shock] 1
#23719201 - 10/08/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm just referencing it, the siddhis are part of being spiritual, and they will naturally develop over time. I'm not sure if it does anything for you, as much as it does for others, they should be used to teach, to heal, to provoke insight. They will fade quickly if you use them to feed the ego.
I meditate to calm and silence the mind, I personally don't leave my body or see anything, rather a feeling of contentment and peace. Closer to the self.
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23719469 - 10/08/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Siddhis are real. They manifest when one addresses their ego in the form of shadow self.
The shadow self is here to instruct us. Without facing our shadow we become frail and diminish. This is the nectar.
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: notsureyet]
#23720240 - 10/08/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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notsureyet said: hi everyone, im new here.
about a year or two ago i just started getting into spirituality and meditation obviously comes up, ive tried it a couple times but im just a little confused i had a friend whos very spiritual and he meditates alot, he told me that he meditated once and he went into this black hole and his body started shift shaping etc, and i read a book called "the ancient secret of the flower of life" and this man called drunvalo talks about how he mediates and sees angels/higher selves and even his wife saw them and i think, to be honest, i mediate because i want an experience like that but i dont know if its real? can someone really be in a deep mediation and connect to the universe like that? and im not talking about drugs either. also when people talk to their higher selves, are they actually talking like as if theyre talking to another person or do they just randomly think of random thoughts and call it their 'higher selves'?
sorry if this is confusing, hopefully someone will understand
These things you describe sound really intense, I think the intensity depends on personality type. Some people are more sensitive to psychic phenomena. Personally for me this stuff is usually not very loud, at least not anymore (unless I'm in sleep paralysis or something) and I don't experience much differentiation between different phenomena. The advantage is I never get overwhelmed. The disadvantage is it gets pretty boring, so I'm always awaiting my next delivery of dark energy/demons to kick things up. To me angels/demons/ghosts/HS are all the same thing. It's all very abstract and symbolic for me. But to be clear, I am definitely having an actual energetic experience, and it does resemble a manageable/liveable dose of some kind of drug. I had to learn about subtlety/reading between the lines to make contact. I was taught a symbolic language by spirit guides. Then communication started coming more direct.
Being with my HS is like riding in a car with somebody I really like being around. I experience him as an entity that lives in my body like a genie. We're in a relationship. He makes me laugh more than any physical person is capable of. A conversation feels a little forced, I prefer his running commentary. Oh, we have sex, too! I feel a little push from him whenever I'm supposed to do something, like email someone out of nowhere and tell them my life story for the purpose of a puzzle piece exchange.
IMO that's something you build up to, though. And it's not always a linear progression. My development was staggered. I started off having a huge mystical experience just from reading a book about Kundalini. Then I went dead for about 10 years (I was on a bunch of psych meds). When I was getting back into spirituality, I approached with effort -- reading books, meditating, I was in Builders of the Adytum for a couple years too, but eventually I dropped all that stuff (including "meditation" in the formal sense) because my internal stuff (Kundalini, spirit guides, HS, intuition) started taking over. When that happens it's very organic, it's like destiny unfolding. Now my HS runs my life...you could say I'm happily in bondage.
To give you an idea of how subtle things can be: I astral project into music videos, but I'm still IN my body. I go into a symbolic realm. I'm not visiting other planets and seeing blue people. Check my profile -- I'm "from Sirius." Have I ever seen a UFO? No. My body is the UFO. Everything I've intuitively worked out about Sirius has come from symbol and word math. All this stuff-- angels, HS, aliens -- lives in your subconscious mind. What's the language of subconsciousness? Symbols.
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: notsureyet]
#23720461 - 10/08/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The people who are talking to themselves or having visions while meditating are doing it wrong, unless their doing some next level meditation that I don't know about (tm doesnt count). Your standard meditation is not interesting at all. You might get a nice calm body feeling out of it but its going to be boring as fuck for your mind.
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: mt cleverest]
#23720793 - 10/08/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh wait
I need to revise what I said
When I astral project into music videos, I AM visiting "another planet" (Sirius isn't a planet, but close enough for the point I'm making -- astral projection just means leaving concrete, Earth perception) and "seeing blue people," just not literally. Like I'm not having visions of "aliens" that look like those images you see on New Age websites.
What I'm doing while watching the video in the astral state is "tracing a path back to Sirius" aka phoning God aka divination. I'm decoding the subconscious layer. It's a love game I play with my HS.
I mentioned "blue people." Sirius B reference. You could say I AM finding "blue people" in an extremely abstract, symbolic way.
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: 100_the_cat]
#23722809 - 10/09/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love to see things when I meditate. It's very rare that I do see something. There are a few things that I experience. Sometimes it's boredom and I don't want to explore. Other times it's feelings of sinking or pressures. Mostly I think I meditate to try to change something fundamentally wrong with me. I would like to experience ecstasy without ingesting a chemical. I would enjoy exploring realms said to be for the spirit. I would also like to overcome the habits and addictions I have developed an immense attachment to. I would easily share any insights that could positively change the world for the better, possibly even worse. Sometimes I just lay there and fantasies about things. I've usually escaped into fantasy for recreation most of my life. I have only not done this when using cannabis. I feel life can be a bit like a fantasy when using cannabis. It seems it alters my thinking to realize life is real and escape is only a possibility. The very possibility I search for ecstasy.
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23723023 - 10/09/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I love to see things when I meditate. It's very rare that I do see something. There are a few things that I experience. Sometimes it's boredom and I don't want to explore. Other times it's feelings of sinking or pressures. Mostly I think I meditate to try to change something fundamentally wrong with me. I would like to experience ecstasy without ingesting a chemical. I would enjoy exploring realms said to be for the spirit. I would also like to overcome the habits and addictions I have developed an immense attachment to. I would easily share any insights that could positively change the world for the better, possibly even worse. Sometimes I just lay there and fantasies about things. I've usually escaped into fantasy for recreation most of my life. I have only not done this when using cannabis. I feel life can be a bit like a fantasy when using cannabis. It seems it alters my thinking to realize life is real and escape is only a possibility. The very possibility I search for ecstasy.
Are you saying you're more grounded when using cannabis??
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Re: seeing things while meditating? [Re: 100_the_cat]
#23723040 - 10/09/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes from my experience but no from other peoples. I have a personality that has problems but I realize mine and desire to improve. Other people have no fucking clue that they have problems.
In the past I could ground myself with cannabis. Only very experienced people would understand that the result of me using over time was reasonable.
Cannabis is an excellent drug if you are vulnerable. It encourages the ego to seek strength and that's why it's bad for the general population. What people do for strength and power can be very evil!
-------------------- "in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur" In filth it will be found in dung it will be found
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