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Views on society after aya
    #23718184 - 10/07/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Shortly after an intense Ayahuasca experience I have noticed a weird phenomenon and am wondering if any of you have experienced it as well.

So this is hard to explain but bare with me.
Before ayahuasca I saw people as normal, that their actions were voluntary and never gave it a second thought. After ayahuasca I've noticed my perspective on society and humanity has shifted significantly.

I have noticed how most people live on a "base level" where their perspective on the universe and life is highly limited. I have always been a bit  antisocial but it seems now that people's actions and persona has become predictable and programmed.

It seems people really are a product of their environment except the environment is transparent. I can't fight this "filter", anytime I'm in public or talking to my peers in my engineering classes it seems most are a product of media manipulation where they only want to be on a base level.

Friends of mine and my father who have all had psychedelic experiences can relate to this and we can get into hour long discussion about the dehumanization of society. The best way to explain this is, instead of seeing people for who you once saw them as you can see past their "mask" and see everyone is equally broken yet puts on a show to seem that they are what is perceived as normal.

We are reaching a point in America where our downfall is approaching. We see a rigged election, a lesser quality of living with each year, an impending war with Russia and are living as indentured servants and yet people are afraid to question if this way of life is worth living. Why are we as a nation  not standing up, why do many of us refuse to seek knowledge and just follow trends and distract ourselves from national crisis? Yet we Freak out over pointless things. If the super bowl got cancelled there would be rioting and chaos, yet we are bombing Syrian citizens and we don't care.

This realization makes me feel alienated from society, as if I'm actively watching a civilization destroy itself at an exponential rate. It's scary seeing the realization that a majority of society is to distracted with pointless things to even be human for a second.


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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: Dmt-cracker] * 1
    #23718235 - 10/08/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You have stepped into the waking light ...


The world is now illuminated in its more truer form.
You are seemingly not alone. It's a wild world huh?

:nicesmile:


You'll get beyond the initial rush and things will settle down.
Enjoy the waking light while it remains. It isn't meant to last forever nor could you handle it in your present frame if it did.

Make the best of it and try not to burn too bright...
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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: Dmt-cracker] * 1
    #23718271 - 10/08/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That is where the matrix begins. There is no (we) or the self. There is only (I) the all-one. The universe, or (I) am/is designed like a web for energy, and the humans are not balancing energy properly so we're still being controlled by the bracket above us and the order isn't precise enough to keep things in balance. When you see it, the disorder in the balance of energy becomes clearer, as if everything that is in front of us was set there on purpose for us to work out like a puzzle. This show on Netflix called "touch" that popped up in my life as I was learning about this ans it is about those who know they're purpose to balance energy and restore order to the earth. This is one system, and division is the illusion. I definitely recommend watching one episode of that show, we can end a war with a single word if we use it right


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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: phio]
    #23718319 - 10/08/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You say limited time frame. I'm curious as to how long this time time frame would last. I have done aya twice so far and have felt this way since the first time I did it which was last December and I am getting a better concept of reality in itself by the day. I realize since we are a collective being, that outside of human reasoning nothing really matters and nothing any human does is of relative importance. At the same time however since we ourselves are humans, at this time everything is of great importance leading to a bit of irony. The thing I fear is that are current social structure limits a vast majority of our population from question anything of real relevance and instead are given busy work to get by in life. Seeing how manipulated and, well, miserable everyone is should bring to light that are current perspective isn't sustainable. Anytime you bring this up to the "average" person they pass it off as cynical banter and further distract themselves.


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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: Dmt-cracker]
    #23718363 - 10/08/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Most of the world's perceptions are stuck behind assumptions. Personal Imagination shines through once we lose identification with any "truth" behind the surface of our surroundings in any space. You are undefinable and responsible and in control of your own thoughts and the awareness of these thoughts and the awareness of that awareness, so on and so forth. Infinite perception. This reality is real. Most people act from a perspective of being God and identify and search for meaning behind his own - perception. You are already an independent, creative  being within a system of infinite possibility, although the current perception of our real, shared moment is "mundane", we have the potential to paint our surroundings, through physical intervention, in any light. Only innocent intention will keep one sane within this madness. This is not said to guilt trip. The way in which we pursue our own sensual desires most of the time is dirty, vile and littered with shame and guilt in a crossover system that causes an immense mind fuck. Focussing on oneself is not selfish. Guilt tripping others for the lack of your own sensual pleasures is. We treat ourselves as objects with an obligation to serve an imaginary authority - the self. There is no dictator, nor is there ever any pleasure in being dictator - this however is the common mindset at the moment. Choices are for everyone. Thought control is something we do to others and no one is to blame but yourself for your shortcomings. Play and entertainment is an infinite, dynamic and co-beneficial pursuit which can be effective and satisfying in any environment. Play, however becomes misconstrued through the - idea - of "competition" and there being a "throne". Our inabiliy for achieving world peace is a result of lacking imagination and how our current intelect and surrounding world, which is actual, can be shaped. Observing one's thoughts without emotional attachment  is a form of meditation which is simple and possible. This might cause some emotional overflow when interacting with others who do not yet understand. Becoming aware of how we are constantly manipulating ourselves is also important. The world is not ending. We only think it is. This is just the beginning. But I'm in some kind of hyper positive mindset at the moment...so maybe disregard everything...


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    #23718389 - 10/08/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think they are referring tl enlightenment, which lasts for a few months, waking up feeling like God, life's an acid trip, kicks ass, but we fail to use time as a tool to lengthen the duration of our lives, we can lice in the enlightenment era for as long as we like but over time the joy will return to contentment, and it can actually be really devastating, but after enlightenment, there's a fourth realm of consciousness still to be explored where we find God and the key to the universe.

The lack of communication really is a barrier to progress. we demonstrate our imagination rather than put things in a general context and it causes the listeners to perceive rather than comprehend immediately, so we don't comprehend the message entirely until a few seconds after its said, which is actually a tool that is used to throw off our in we tend to agree on things that are spoken loudly, regardless of what the message is.


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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: Dmt-cracker]
    #23718827 - 10/08/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Welcome to the monkey-house.

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Good post. :thumbup:


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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: Dmt-cracker] * 1
    #23718858 - 10/08/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Dmt-cracker said:
You say limited time frame. I'm curious as to how long this time time frame would last.




Well, there's the waking light you experienced (sudden realization) and then there's the after-glow with respect to your 'perceptions' (remnants)... It fades away slowly (normalization) does it not? Could take 3 months, 6 months, or even a year. There's a reason why you returned to make another call....

So, I say : Use the time wisely. Don't stay on the call too long as, no matter where you go, there you are and here you are. Don't allow your realizations to torment you. Allow them to
uplift you and take you higher...

The world is the world. It will remain the world if you were to live and die a hundred times. You will eventually come to this understanding. For now, the realization of what the world more closely is has captured you (the waking light). Next you will maybe feel you can change the world and you'll try... try your heart out. Then, what you experience, will cause you to come to an acceptance maybe. From there, you'll maybe discovery why the world is the way it is.. Then, you'll come to understand that : Everything is in its right place. And then you'll maybe venture deeply as to who you are.

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Dmt-cracker said:
I have done aya twice so far and have felt this way since the first time I did it which was last December and I am getting a better concept of reality in itself by the day. I realize since we are a collective being, that outside of human reasoning nothing really matters and nothing any human does is of relative importance. At the same time however since we ourselves are humans, at this time everything is of great importance leading to a bit of irony.




Yes, it seems as though your experience(s) brought about a heightened and stimulated awareness. An interesting thing to note is that some people have made this observation while being completely sober. It's a painful process.. It hurts to see the world for what it is which is why many people willfully chose not to.

But, now you see the world in a new shade and you're in awe. And you're excited and you wonder if others see what you see. They do... and then you move on from this as you will see things as such more regularly and thus it will be 'normal' and 'normalized'.

Instead of questions, after some time, you'll be filled with answers. These answers will temper you.

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The thing I fear is that are current social structure limits a vast majority of our population from question anything of real relevance and instead are given busy work to get by in life.




Well yeah.. and who creates these social structures? The masses...
Try waking some of them up as you already have tried. They'll fight you, spit on you, and kick you down. Some don't want to endure the pain. Some are happy with what you perceive as slop. Then you'll maybe come to understand that people freely chose and those choices, no matter how much you disagree with, should be accepted to an extent.
Then, with much deeper thoughts you'll see that the world is the world and it is the way it is for reason. And those reasons highlight that : Everything is in its right place.

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Dmt-cracker said:
Seeing how manipulated and, well, miserable everyone is should bring to light that are current perspective isn't sustainable. Anytime you bring this up to the "average" person they pass it off as cynical banter and further distract themselves.




:nicesmile:
Because you're attacking their world view. The human mind doesn't like conflicts. The bigger the conflict the more it will resist. A person's world view is a columniation and cornerstone of their identity. Forging an attack against this or thoughts that lead to it will likely fail.

So, you be careful about that.. Some don't respond very kindly to such intervention. But, throughout attempts to help people 'wake' you'll maybe come to learn and understand something important that will lead to acceptance of their disposition and a realization that you have a lot to even work on yourself.

So..the waking-light, the after-glow, and then the normalization.
The world is the world. Everything is in its right place.
Now, given your realizations and exposure to the light, where is your place and what is your purpose?.

Peace. Love.
Journey on my brother.


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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: phio] * 1
    #23719226 - 10/08/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have come to accept this phenomenon but I still like to observe and learn from a distance. Seeing how we communicate and interact allows me to learn more about our surroundings. I have to clarify that I don't see myself as a god, actually on the contrary, for most of my life I have seen myself as lesser of a person. Making pointless emotional bonds with countless people to fit in with different groups until I've come to the acceptance that I am who I am and we are all equally the same, yet equally different. From a psilocybin trip I realized we are all a single entity we all feel and experience the same way, just parts of this singular being is damaged. The only thing separating us humans from say a giraffe is our ability of self awareness and our uncanny power of building self-constructed barriers. I guess my biggest issue with society as a whole is most are stripped from the want and/or need to learn and observe at an early age. I understand I myself can never change society and I am fine with that. I have not found my place in this world as I myself have a "less than omniscient" understand of well anything. This I am fine with, I myself will always be my biggest project so there is no need to rush finding my own place in the universe.


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    #23719257 - 10/08/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So yeah, it's a wild world... One you will come to accept and understand deeply as you continue forward.

Good reflections ! You're on solid ground and a solid path...
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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: phio]
    #23719273 - 10/08/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

well, wouldn't it make sense?

every living things behavior is ruled by genetic programs as a general survival and propagate the species rule of thumb.

so in a way, it could be said that every human is a DNA robot with genetic algorithms determining behavior fundamental to everyday interaction.

Even beyond fundamental behavior, some of these algorithms determine that we have culture; this programs behavior on semantic and socio-sexual levels in ways unknown to a vast majority.
Culture is an inescapable aspect of the human experience that has been hijacked in the name of profit and control.
Culture being hijacked in this way isn't entirely humanities fault.
If understood in terms of evolution, natural selection, and survival of the fittest -- rules which we can apply to culture -- a soul-depriving culture was bound to manifest and rule, brainwashing a majority for the benefit of a few.

This is why T. McKenna suggested that "Culture is not your friend" --

While I feel the sentiment, the quote is naive to the fact that we cannot escape culture in and of itself, and so inspires cognitive dissonance.            As even if we were to recognize the likely scenario of belonging to an unfriendly culture, any protest and action to the contrary would subsequently be influenced by some other culture somewhere or will influence some other culture somewhere.

Its all part of the collective hive-mind, regardless of how friendly it is.

A more helpful quote personifying culture, less prone to dissonance, would have been something a long the lines of

"this culture may not be your friend, but another one can be."


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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: hTx]
    #23719313 - 10/08/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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hTx said: "this culture may not be your friend, but another one can be."




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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: hTx]
    #23719435 - 10/08/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

hTx said:
well, wouldn't it make sense?

every living things behavior is ruled by genetic programs as a general survival and propagate the species rule of thumb.

so in a way, it could be said that every human is a DNA robot with genetic algorithms determining behavior fundamental to everyday interaction.

Even beyond fundamental behavior, some of these algorithms determine that we have culture; this programs behavior on semantic and socio-sexual levels in ways unknown to a vast majority.
Culture is an inescapable aspect of the human experience that has been hijacked in the name of profit and control.
Culture being hijacked in this way isn't entirely humanities fault.
If understood in terms of evolution, natural selection, and survival of the fittest -- rules which we can apply to culture -- a soul-depriving culture was bound to manifest and rule, brainwashing a majority for the benefit of a few.

This is why T. McKenna suggested that "Culture is not your friend" --

While I feel the sentiment, the quote is naive to the fact that we cannot escape culture in and of itself, and so inspires cognitive dissonance.            As even if we were to recognize the likely scenario of belonging to an unfriendly culture, any protest and action to the contrary would subsequently be influenced by some other culture somewhere or will influence some other culture somewhere.

Its all part of the collective hive-mind, regardless of how friendly it is.

A more helpful quote personifying culture, less prone to dissonance, would have been something a long the lines of

"this culture may not be your friend, but another one can be."




hTx, your post reminds me quite a bit of David Bohm's book Thought as a System.  In it he posits a collective system of thought that runs in microcosm in individuals' psyches.  The operation of this system is mostly unconscious.  Worse than that, if we were somehow to become conscious of an aspect or component of the programming, then that thought would become a part of the system, and we'd be back at the beginning.  He also urged that most of the time, when we think we are dissecting the system, it is just the system itself that is doing it.

Interesting stuff.


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    #23719783 - 10/08/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Neighbor from across the street came up to  me the other day asked me "So how bout them Giants??"

I told her I wasn't into sports. I told her people here in America like debating about sports but my idea of debating is on truth, politics, and religion.

At this point she kinda did the lil slip away and so I said: Wellp, if you ever want to talk about religion you can come talk to me.

She walks away saying: oOooO there's only 2 things I don't like talking about....

Politics and Religion.... The 2 things that matter the most is what most American run away from. I swear it's so superficial. They ask how your day is doing and tell you have a nice day! but they don't give a shit. It's all on the surface fake bs small talk.

Where I live it's totally backwards and everyone is living a lie. Their religion is based on what team wins and what this player could've done to beat this other player and I'm just like.... How bout we discuss on how to beat the system and free ourselves from this madness?


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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: Dmt-cracker]
    #23719824 - 10/08/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

well to look into this, especially since 9/11, it has caused me to have to look into how the ruling class and their media etc use various strategies of mindcontrol to degrade our sense of our being, and of nature and community with each other and other species

Writers like Michael Hoffman were onto this way before 9/11. See, his 'killing of the king'



an occultist trauma-based mindcontrol as was the shooting of Martin Luther King, and of course the false flag 9/11, etc etc etc etc. All these are deliberately designed to de-stabalize the psyche on different levels including making us not even trust our reasoning

What you are seeing and feeling is VERY real. It would be like what some individual in Nazi Germany would feel like surrounded by all the robotic stares and Nazi salutes to their god Adolf Hitler. You would see and feel the utter insanity all around you.


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Re: Views on society after aya [Re: zzripz]
    #23720139 - 10/08/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Look into patent US 6506148 B2

And other patents by Hendricus G loos. They go into detail about nervous system manipulation through monitors and radio frequencies. There's little information on the publisher of this patent(information from various sources has been pulled from the internet) but from what I understand this guy worked for DARPA.





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    #23721230 - 10/09/16 04:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am aware of that but haven't looked too deep into it. I find it enough to know how they try and mindcontrol us via words, and symbols etc. Of course they will use their technology as an adjunct to that too. After all the introduction of writing was a technology and that is a central mind-controlling device!

When I see how more and more people are completely transfixed on their little plastic rectangular devices everywhere, I see the power of the technomatrix in action. it wants to get in between us and the natural world! It wants to make out that the natural world and your natural self is all dull dull dull and boring and the real deal is all the flashy appy tecno they come at you with.

Soon they will be pushing you to have their technology actually implanted in your body so as to 'upgrade' you, and have you thinking your like a 'god'. To do this they need to de~grade your understanding of both your physical body, mind, imagination, and the natural world.

This is why the current view of what we are is as an electro-chemical soft robot who, if not content with modern civilization of consumerism etc, is deemed 'mentally ill', and 'chemically imbalanced' and in need of psychiatric treatment with their drugs. I mean fuuu*ck they aint got no war against their drugs, ohhh noooo. They even push them (and cocktails of them) onto children, eg 'Ritalin' which is basically speed/whiz! This is mindcontrol in solid form--as pills--so as to make sure you WILL 'allow' indoctrination.


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    #23721284 - 10/09/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Too much time is wasted in externalizing the cause of our plight on society.

As such we are just dogs biting at the hand that feeds us.

Our real problem is that we are operating well below our capacity to be awakened beings, except when really high or otherwise exercising awareness.

Our abilities are all learned, our attitudes are all habit, and our interactions in the world are mostly like sleepwalking - just reflex behaviors and scripted (rehearsed) conversations except when really high or otherwise exercising awareness.

ERGO we all seem to notice the same problem while stoned on psychedelics:

we can see how our normal behaviors are mechanical expressions of our learned behaviors. 

The mistake is to blame society. The real culprit is personal lack of awareness that lets us be so efficient (as robots) that we forget to pay attention to our senses.


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