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albino
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Albino caps turning blue [Pics included]
#23717999 - 10/07/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had to go away for a few days and upon arrival, my shroom caps have turned blue :/ I trashed the dark blue ones, but the ones that are still white and have a hint of blue coming from underneath I kept. I'm not sure why they keep trying to turn blue! I will post pictures soon.
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Edited by albino (10/07/16 10:51 PM)
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: albino]
#23718014 - 10/07/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Albinos, especially ape, tend to develop a blue hue after a while.
Are they small and gangly looking, aborts, or do they look like normal sized fruits?
If it is the latter, you probably shouldn't have tossed em, but no way to be sure what the issue is till you post pics.
Also, I'm shocked your name hadn't been taken already
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morty422
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#23718019 - 10/07/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Albinos, especially ape, tend to develop a blue hue after a while.
Are they small and gangly looking, aborts, or do they look like normal sized fruits?
If it is the latter, you probably shouldn't have tossed em, but no way to be sure what the issue is till you post pics.
Also, I'm shocked your name hadn't been taken already
I am also shocked that the name is still available...hehe
Sounds to me like you might have just trashed some good fungus.
We don't know until you post pictures though...
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: morty422]
#23718028 - 10/07/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd say, it's extremely unlikely you had anything that needed to be thrown away vs consumed.
Sad reality. I've only ever seen a handful of times people say to throw shrooms away. Very extreme circumstances. Crazy molds growing on the mushrooms, verticillium. Etc.
I bet 1,000 dollars your mushrooms were fine. If the trash is still near by, get them out and keep them. Blue bruising is IMO the number one common trait of cubensis mushrooms, and albinos and PE as others said bruise more than regular cubes it seems. Sucks man
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Moabfighter]
#23718056 - 10/07/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Albinos, especially ape, tend to develop a blue hue after a while.
Are they small and gangly looking, aborts, or do they look like normal sized fruits?
If it is the latter, you probably shouldn't have tossed em, but no way to be sure what the issue is till you post pics.
Also, I'm shocked your name hadn't been taken already
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morty422 said:
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natedawgnow said: Albinos, especially ape, tend to develop a blue hue after a while.
Are they small and gangly looking, aborts, or do they look like normal sized fruits?
If it is the latter, you probably shouldn't have tossed em, but no way to be sure what the issue is till you post pics.
Also, I'm shocked your name hadn't been taken already
I am also shocked that the name is still available...hehe
Sounds to me like you might have just trashed some good fungus.
We don't know until you post pictures though...
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Moabfighter said: I'd say, it's extremely unlikely you had anything that needed to be thrown away vs consumed.
Sad reality. I've only ever seen a handful of times people say to throw shrooms away. Very extreme circumstances. Crazy molds growing on the mushrooms, verticillium. Etc.
I bet 1,000 dollars your mushrooms were fine. If the trash is still near by, get them out and keep them. Blue bruising is IMO the number one common trait of cubensis mushrooms, and albinos and PE as others said bruise more than regular cubes it seems. Sucks man
It's the only strain I am growing I already trashed some of my dark blue ones, I probably trashed some that were fine. It's alright tho, I made more cakes with ziploc bags.
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morty422
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Moabfighter]
#23718068 - 10/07/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moabfighter said: Sad reality. I've only ever seen a handful of times people say to throw shrooms away. Very extreme circumstances. Crazy molds growing on the mushrooms, verticillium. Etc.
I have been told that verticillium is okay to consume - especially if dried correctly...
Was I wrongly educated?
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Moabfighter
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: morty422]
#23718081 - 10/07/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morty422 said:
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Moabfighter said: Sad reality. I've only ever seen a handful of times people say to throw shrooms away. Very extreme circumstances. Crazy molds growing on the mushrooms, verticillium. Etc.
I have been told that verticillium is okay to consume - especially if dried correctly...
Was I wrongly educated?
Okay to consume, sure.
But anyone on here who's reputable will say to just chuck them and grow more.
They won't hurt you. But they are very much for sure infected, so why eat if you don't have to.
But not at all minsinformed. Eat away, you'll be fine. Along with a lot of molds on your mushrooms. Most won't hurt you. But again, why not just eat ones that don't have molds or diseases
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Moabfighter]
#23718098 - 10/07/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Uploaded pics, do they look fine?
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: albino] 1
#23718218 - 10/08/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dry af. Bad conditions there. What is this chamber? Did you mist?
Nvm read the OP better and saw you went out of town. Still doesn't look like a conventional FC
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Mad Season]
#23718250 - 10/08/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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as mentioned, most actives bruise blue as a distinguishing feature. sub-optimal conditions can lead to cracking and other bruising triggers, and it shows up really prominently on albino/leucistic races. its a pretty common assertion that the ones that bruise most readily to be the most potent!
also curious what the fruiting chamber and conditions were like
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#23718529 - 10/08/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You threw away bruised fruits. 
Seriously? You saw blue, and trashed em?? 

Guess I better just toss this whole thing huh?
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morty422
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Inocuole]
#23718747 - 10/08/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
You threw away bruised fruits. 
Seriously? You saw blue, and trashed em?? 

Guess I better just toss this whole thing huh?
Yes- get that shit in the trash immediately.
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: morty422]
#23718757 - 10/08/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep and i can take that hazardous shit right of your hands inoc. Got the trash bag ready
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#23719198 - 10/08/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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its a pretty common assertion that the ones that bruise most readily to be the most potent!
It's a pretty common wrong assertion that the ones that bruise most readily to be the most potent!
FIXED
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Chk]
#23719249 - 10/08/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wasn't it concluded that the bruising is probably from something similar to variegatic acid in boletes?
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thebug76
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Greg]
#23719261 - 10/08/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The bruising is oxidation of the psilocin I believe.
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: thebug76]
#23719289 - 10/08/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh please god can we not descend into a shit fest about bluing/potency on the mushrooms.
i like OPs attitude.
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I probably trashed some that were fine. It's alright tho, I made more cakes
but whats with the ziplock bag comment???
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: thebug76]
#23719319 - 10/08/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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thebug76 said: The bruising is oxidation of the psilocin I believe.
It's a pigment. How would 5mg per 10g of fruit body cause an entire fruit body go dark blue?
And in a substrate it's down to micrograms of it. How would that cause heavy substrate bruising?
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Mad Season]
#23719333 - 10/08/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay so my real question is will they be fine to take?
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thebug76
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Mad Season]
#23719338 - 10/08/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That was just the way I understood it back when I was reading about it. I could be wrong, that's why I added the "I believe" part in there. The scientific aspects aren't really my forte.
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: thebug76]
#23719344 - 10/08/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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albino said: Okay so my real question is will they be fine to take?
yes
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Mad Season]
#23719348 - 10/08/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used monotub with vermiculte. Yes, they are dry I was away for three days and didn't get to mist them. I've been misting 4 times day.
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: mushboy]
#23719353 - 10/08/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Instead of tubs/bins/containers, I'm trying to grow them in ziploc bags.
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: albino]
#23719456 - 10/08/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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which ziplock bag tek are you using?
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: thebug76]
#23719671 - 10/08/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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thebug76 said: That was just the way I understood it back when I was reading about it. I could be wrong, that's why I added the "I believe" part in there. The scientific aspects aren't really my forte.
Take this... well frankly take it however you want, but aimless speculation isn't really something that people here respond well to..
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: Inocuole]
#23719764 - 10/08/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel you on that, and my bad for the mistake. I probably had read some out of date article that i got my info from. If anyone ever sees anything I'm wrong about, please by all means correct me. If not, I may never learn and I'd rather be corrected than to keep doing shit wrong or giving bad info. You will notice tho, anytime I'm not sure about something, I'll add in the "I think" or "I believe."
Edited by thebug76 (10/08/16 03:13 PM)
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: mushboy]
#23720532 - 10/08/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: which ziplock bag tek are you using?
the one where you use ziploc bags instead of tubs.
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: albino]
#23720633 - 10/08/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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albino said:
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mushboy said: which ziplock bag tek are you using?
the one where you use ziploc bags instead of tubs.

no tek just do it
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: albino]
#23720750 - 10/08/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well shit mang. Next time remember: If you boil the shrooms you will be alright If that is what you are in fact worried about the contams.
What did RR always say; that nobody has ever gotten sick from eating moldy bread. Penicillin nature's cure for the sick.
When i started growing and eating i thought one of the vendors poisoned me Not a fun night...well yes it was. When in doubt throw it.
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23721436 - 10/09/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm doing it the other way around, my ziploc bag is holding the shrooms.
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: albino]
#23721575 - 10/09/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That doesn't sound right
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23721617 - 10/09/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I might transplant it into my mason jars
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: albino]
#23721622 - 10/09/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Should I pick them now?
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: albino]
#23721649 - 10/09/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: albino]
#23721665 - 10/09/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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albino said:
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mushboy said: which ziplock bag tek are you using?
the one where you use ziploc bags instead of tubs.
thats why i asked.
i dont think that will work. buy spawn bags. i wouldnt pc/steam a ziplock. sounds messy
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albino
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Re: Albino caps turning blue [Re: mushboy]
#23722009 - 10/09/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm using them to grow mushrooms, not colonize.
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