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Offlinebigdoodie
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Re: fallen angels [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23727323 - 10/11/16 02:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

DMT seeps into the pineal gland near death to comfort us, that's all.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23728073 - 10/11/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why do we need comforting if we're dead? Why not just shut off?

And you recently posted

{quote], I am the system and there is no self, (I) am one system and there is nothing outside of (me), but if there is no afterlife then there is no point in anything at all, we're just building and building for the





If you are the system, which I agree with then why would you conclude the system disappears when the body drops? The body is merely one small part of this grand system, it was created by the system to inhabit for a time as a vehicle for certain experiences. The system isn't going to vanish when it dies. Where did you get this idea?


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Re: fallen angels [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23728922 - 10/11/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

666, doodyhead


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Re: fallen angels [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23730122 - 10/12/16 01:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because nobody wants to fathom the idea of not existing.
The universe will always exist, just not to dead people.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23730177 - 10/12/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

bigdoodie is just one of those Taoist necromancers... don't worry about him :watchingyou:


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Re: fallen angels [Re: yeah]
    #23730427 - 10/12/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I made this the other night when I was pretty high...
I go on for almost an hour just rambling anything that comes to mind.
I feel this is relevant to the thread.
I'm going through some serious shit concerning the reality of hell and christianity.  Are we angels??
Give it a listen if you like.
Don't be too hard on me please but let me know what you think about anything mentioned.
I'll answer questions if you like.

Thoughts?


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Re: fallen angels [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #23730595 - 10/12/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i watched a bit, and stopped where you said the church dont want you to have an earth-based pagan experience where you ecstatically bond with nature

I completely agree, and neither does the Mosque or the Synagogue. And Eastern beliefs, including Zen, also warn about nature being a trap

Running through all these belief systems including the secular materialistic myth is this fear of nature, disrespect for nature, and a wanting to either escape from it for ever and ever or 'put it right' as in for example 'conquering death, disease, animals attacking and eating other animals, darkness/night, being upset/tears.

In all of this connected similar goals between these seemingly different belief systems and paradigms gives up a BIG clue as to how they all derive from the same roots. The solar myths.

The other day I was watching this very interesting documentary on TV about the history of Hip Hop, and this guy said there is this religious branch of it which believes men are the sun and women the earth. And right THERE we can see this solar mythic motif shared by all the other beliefs. The idea that men represent the sun/light/'spirit'/life which is believed to be superior, and women represent the earth/nature/darkness/death believed by that mindset to be inferior.

This would explain how a lot of Hip Hop is misogynist, homophobic, and materialistic, aggressive and violent. But am just mentioning to show how this solar myth keeeps popping up this way and that through time.

we have got to wake UP and see this because its factions through time are all contributing to the very destruction of the natural world!

SEE it!

I am currently watching this very powerful video:



Edited by zzripz (10/12/16 09:15 AM)


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Re: fallen angels [Re: zzripz]
    #23730672 - 10/12/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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stopped where you said the church dont want you to have an earth-based pagan experience where you ecstatically bond with nature




Just started the vid.  I actually played both of them at the same time on accident and the music and war stuff creeped me out a little...  This experience has always had a mind control/military/CIA/lucifer element that is hard to put into words (?) Its a population/many that care and are more, LOUD, than those that say the represent the churches and Jesus or otherwise Baphomet.  Its torture.  Submission in the name of some Etheric authority.  Boo.  Peace.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #23731057 - 10/12/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i have been thinking it is like the strict father causes the rebel son scenario

this was played out in the life of the prophet of the ruling class occultists, Aleister Crowley. he was brought up in this joyless miserable strict christian family, and then he later rebels and wants to become chief in command to 'Satan'. Ie the strictness caused him to go over the side they fear

BOTH sides are control freaks powermongers which feed off each other


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Re: fallen angels [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #23731111 - 10/12/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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BOTH sides are control freaks powermongers which feed off each other





Wrong. The spiritual war being waged on this Earth has two sides. When you say that you shill for their side.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: zzripz]
    #23731569 - 10/12/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wars are fought through willing participants.

Do you believe that the masculine and feminine maintain equal capability to do good and bad? (yes or no)

If you disagree with the framing, remove (to do good and bad).

If no, per your presented beliefs, you're a misogynist who believes the feminine to be inferior.

If yes, then you admit that your presented narrative of the masculine suppressing the feminine is false. They are equal and thus one cannot suppress the other.

Zzripz, I'd welcome you any day of the week to detail without contradicting yourself how your theories have grounding. To do so, you must maintain them across open critique. However, contradictions are abound in your beliefs .. There is a blaring one at the core of it which I have detailed above.

Quit chasing echos and focus on the primary sound. You're not a woman/female so stop arrogantly proposing that you can speak for them. That's misogynistic.

Females/Feminine know most of all about their potentials. Why do you think it is that they remain guarded about them? You are unknowing of a woman's power and works in the world because they ensure they remain hidden and thus effective.

It is through their womb that life is birthed. They have a powerful capability to manipulate seeds before their are sown. Men are specialized in applying force to sown seeds. Women can weave incredible tales that warp perception/potential. As your reality is based on 'perception, the feminine/females maintain an incredible force in this world. Their innate capabilities are used for good/bad just as men use their capabilities for good/bad. Both men/women's capabilities are equal but different.

Arguing against the above basis highlights one's own deep seated misogyny and agenda. Acknowledging the above removes one from twisted beliefs that the masculine has ever dominated the feminine. It never has for the masculine/feminine are equal.

Belief systems can be created by the feminine/females. There is nothing that prevents them from doing so. Do they withstand the forces of nature?

People willfully subscribe to belief systems. Belief systems that have stood the test of time have concrete truths which withstand the test of time.

Create a thread and demonstrate that your beliefs can withstand open critique.
As shown above, you're already on one wounded knee.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23731582 - 10/12/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

OP, what are your thoughts on my post :
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23717958#23717958 ?

It wasn't posted for giggles and backdrop. Given your beliefs, It should have meaning and speak to you as the world often does.

You have to learn how to close your eyes, listen to it, and receive its meaning.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: phio]
    #23731585 - 10/12/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

stop changing the subject


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Re: fallen angels [Re: zzripz]
    #23731630 - 10/12/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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zzripz said:
stop changing the subject




Stop presenting your false misogynistic views and projecting it as such on others.
The subject is what I'm clearly focusing on here as opposed to your attempt to pit the masculine against the feminine. Nobody buys that nonsense, least of all, you..

So cut the charade. It's tired, played out, and quite frankly, women possess the capability to see right through it. Maybe you have some gullible men fooled and misled into a guilt trip but you have no woman fooled on this earth with that nonsense.

You're not nearly as slick and polished as the females you praise... So, unless you have some supports for your beliefs...
:friendlyfuckyou: off with the bullshit.

The topic here is fallen angels not zzripz's continuous diversions about the masculine and feminine. So..
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zzripz said:
stop changing the subject




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Re: fallen angels [Re: phio]
    #23731797 - 10/12/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I get the feeling I have already ignored you and this is another rather nasty manifestation of your fascistic presence?

I do not like in any way shape of form the disrespectful way you are talking to me, and so I will ignore you again now, and any time you pop up.

Really you are flaming and should be warned!

I have been banned for far less than that attitude.

I luuuurve the ignore button that gets rid of people like you from my perception :what2:

Though I must say that some I have ignored are not as irritating as this.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: zzripz]
    #23732079 - 10/12/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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zzripz said:
i have been thinking it is like the strict father causes the rebel son scenario

this was played out in the life of the prophet of the ruling class occultists, Aleister Crowley. he was brought up in this joyless miserable strict christian family, and then he later rebels and wants to become chief in command to 'Satan'. Ie the strictness caused him to go over the side they fear

BOTH sides are control freaks powermongers which feed off each other




I'm going through like a representation of what claims to be the divine...  Etherians.  That are without the neurochemical counterpart that demonstrates what that (divine) is for the Entheogen/psychedelic user...!!  The nature based manufacturers of the chemicals that produce the experiences of what people claim is God/G*d and its powerful WAY of putting you in contact with what can take the place of demons and angels, TRULY.  They exclaim that, 'You were just high.  Its just a drug trip.  Its Satan's trick to lure you in.'  They are serious.  Where, they fulfill the part of a weird unfolding drama as truly the devil.  EVERYTHING NEGATIVE CLAIMING ITS GOD.  They are domestic terrorism causing Permanent Schizophrenia in the event of spiritual emergency, not death/rebirth and conclusion/closure but constant crisis to cause breaks and breakdowns of a psychological nature upon awakening.  They rape you to drain you of everything and shatter your mind.  They want you to do what you are told like a slave.  This is their attempt to demonstrate their God.  My God is Intelligence they are ignorance and arrogance.  My God is Love.  They destroy love and channel it out of the body so you can't feel your own and run off your body like a battery in the matrix.  They take what ever they can get in their attempt to regulate the entire personality and even motor function, the flow of consciousness, and individual human free will.  My God is grace.  They are annoying on purpose, crass, and disgusting.  My psilocybe and amanita have a historic significance in bringing mankind closer to the God within that he is...  My God is sacred.  My God is within.  They violate the body by penetrating the anus.  They are a control system imposed on people that conflict with their agenda and outside seemingly but operated from the inside by way of implants and external hallucinations trying to use christ consciousness or cosmic consciousness and mushroom experience for themselves by subversive means.  My God is a source.  They are a parasite that does little than take and take and take from my consciousness and energy system, Brain/mind/body.  They disregard the stone, rock, faith...  The small round thing or small round stone.  I've eaten and I believe.  I'd be a martyr.


People that don't get the Goddess thing haven't listened to enough Terrence Mckenna.  LOL.  They all should read Archaic Revival IMO.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #23732328 - 10/12/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

At the end of the day, you make your own choices and have your own free-will.
No one forces you to maintain or subscribe to their beliefs or doctrines. No one can imprison your mind but you as you are the stewart of it.

Life serves as an opportunity for you to witness that which is beyond you.
How you do so is up to you.  Interestingly, you learn and grow the the most from your failures and set backs :  From maintaining a view point and being proven wrong..

Objective 'God' is without form or gender. However, it is not a surprise that human beings lacking this conceptualization attempt to reason about it in terms of the masculine and feminine.

You can trip on shrooms and do as much drugs as you want.
The Universe will still be governed by the same laws and constructs.

Nature is nature. As for mushrooms, it'd help if people understood their nature :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungus
Do a search for male or female on this page. Notice there are no references. Note also how they reproduce :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungus#Reproduction

There is no basis for attributing the masculine and feminine with mushrooms. They transcend it as do many 'higher' forms.

A mindset that focuses on a world divided is a lessor mind.
Enlightenment is not reserved for the psychedelic user. It is reserved for those who chose to be enlightened. This involves letting go of one's personal views and embracing the objective view that transcends.

No gender has a monopoly on the present state of the world. This has been the case for all of history. Does one seek to maintain a view that transcends it or does one allow themselves to be restricted to narrow, halved, opposing, and destructive viewpoints?

A lot of people are lost in this world because they fail to accept it for what it is.. So, they busy themselves thinking they can mend it... Busy themselves trying to find those who 'broke' it. They busy themselves looking for the first cause. They blame the masculine. Ignore the role of the feminine. They point fingers in this direction and in that very act miss out on other important details in that direction... They run around highlighting everything but themselves who is most central to the plot..

The infinite is all around you and resides in you. It's up to you as to whether or not you come to 'see' and 'understand that'. The infinite is without form. Prejudice. Gender.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23732361 - 10/12/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Because nobody wants to fathom the idea of not existing.




Not true, why do you think people commit suicide? Personally I wouldn't mind not existing at all, I just don't think it's feasible. Killing the body won't destroy your spirit. This life is like a dream which our spirit enters into from the eternal realms.


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The universe will always exist, just not to dead people.




There is no universe apart from the perception of it. I have no more reason to believe the universe will exist without me, then I have to believe that the tree I dreamed about last night continues to exist when my dream is over.


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Re: fallen angels [Re: phio]
    #23732368 - 10/12/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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phio said:
OP, what are your thoughts on my post :
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23717958#23717958 ?

It wasn't posted for giggles and backdrop. Given your beliefs, It should have meaning and speak to you as the world often does.

You have to learn how to close your eyes, listen to it, and receive its meaning.




Capping my commentary, so I'll wrap this up. Be careful of what you perceive your role in this all as to be. A broken world can never be mended. Flames can never be doused completely. Will you beat your wrings till you burn them black?

The Moth & The Flame - Les Deux Love Orchestra


The moth don't care when he sees the flame
He might get burned, but he's in the game
And once he's in, he can't go back
He'll beat his wings till he burns them black

No, the moth don't care when he sees the flame

No, the moth don't care when he sees the flame

No, the moth don't care if the flame is real


The moth don't care if the flame is real
'Cause flame and moth got a sweetheart deal

And nothing fuels a good flirtation
Like need and anger and desperation


No, the moth don't care if the flame is real

No, the moth don't care if the flame is real

So come on, let's go, ready or not
'Cause there's a flame I know, hotter than hot
And with a fuse that's so thoroughly shot,

(Away)

The moth don't care if the flame burns low
'Cause moth believes in an afterglow
And flames are never doused completely
All you really need is the love of heat

No, the moth don't care if the flame burns low




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Re: fallen angels [Re: phio]
    #23733119 - 10/13/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Do a search for male or female on this page.




THE POINT ABOUT GENDER IS THAT THEY ARE PHALLIC, ONE BREAST, AND A PHALLUS PENETRATING A VAGINA THUS MALE, FEMALE, AND HERMAPHRODITIC.

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The infinite is all around you and resides in you. It's up to you as to whether or not you come to 'see' and 'understand that'. The infinite is without form. Prejudice. Gender.




Sounds romantic.  What of intelligences that claim they are God?  You say the infinite is objective God but that hasn't been established as any real factual knowledge has it?


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