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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23720764 - 10/08/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fal thinks super interest rates are great, yeah for the boys on Wall Street.



How are low interest rates not good for everyone?  I recently  bought a house at a 30 year 3.0% fixed rate.  3.0% is pretty good imho.  Why would you argue that's not good?



Because it makes people who save their money worthless.  If a cd pays out have a percent for five years whats the point in saving anything with cost of everything going up.



Did you know you can put your savings and stocks and mutual funds, which have been doing extremely well?  That's what I do with my retirement savings.  It's not like people don't know what the current interest rates are.

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how's it fair for the people who pay taxes to be burden more so the 50 % who don't pay taxes benefit.



how's it fair for the people who earn huge profits for their companies not to get a share of those profits that company executives give to themselves?

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If you took all the money form everyone living in the united stated including past wealth it wouldnt equal this years usa budget.  We are screwed either way. But any idiot who can't see what with high taxes that does nothing for us.



I assume you get your statistics from conservative sources?  That's not even close to being true.  The annual US budget is around $4 trillion, while current US wealth is way over $50 trillion.  And that's not counting "past wealth".

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Its the same arguement about increase wages if you increase wages then the people get let hours. There is a budget set out for workers the company can't increase that amount without raising prices.



You probably don't work in corporate accounting.  Corporations today pay employees FAR less than they're worth to the company.  That's why raising minimum wage doesn't increase unemployment.  And for the handful of companies that need to raise prices, the increase would be FAR less than the increase in the minimum wage.  It's been proven many times here with empirical evidence that a 10% US minimum wage increase raises overall prices by no more than 0.4%.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: qman] * 1
    #23720774 - 10/08/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fal thinks super interest rates are great, yeah for the boys on Wall Street.



How are low interest rates not good for everyone?  I recently  bought a house at a 30 year 3.0% fixed rate.  3.0% is pretty good imho.  Why would you argue that's not good?



Come on Fal, how are low rates good for savers?  Also, it's killing banks and pension funds.

Low rates are also distorting the stock, bond and real estate markets.



Savers can put their money into stocks and real estate if they want.

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When markets readjust there will be major payback.



"Readjust"???  What does that mean?  I've already shown you that corporate profits are at an all time high.

You continuously refuse to accept the facts because you won't allow yourself to credit a black president for improving the economy.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23720843 - 10/08/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Investing=saving what??

Lel at king liberal not even knowing there is a level of systemic risk that can't be hedged away.

Lrn2 finance bro.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: elax420] * 1
    #23721068 - 10/09/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Investing=saving what??




Yes.  If you don't understand basic business concepts, I suggest looking them up before asking.

Savings - The portion of disposable income not spent on consumption of consumer goods but accumulated or invested directly in capital equipment or in paying off a home mortgage, or indirectly through purchase of securities.

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Lel at king liberal not even knowing there is a level of systemic risk that can't be hedged away.



What makes you believe I don't know about systemic risk?  I have an MBA and am fairly confident I understand it a lot better than you do.

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Lrn2 finance bro.



I learned.  You should too.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23721355 - 10/09/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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i just did.  repatriating all that dough would expose the American public to the full brunt of the inflation caused by massive, years long, quantitative easing.
inflation would even devalue the additional tax revenue.




so once again, a problem caused by govt, but yeah, keep electing the same assholes, :thumbup:


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23721365 - 10/09/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fal thinks super interest rates are great, yeah for the boys on Wall Street.



How are low interest rates not good for everyone?  I recently  bought a house at a 30 year 3.0% fixed rate.  3.0% is pretty good imho.  Why would you argue that's not good?



Come on Fal, how are low rates good for savers?  Also, it's killing banks and pension funds.

Low rates are also distorting the stock, bond and real estate markets.



Savers can put their money into stocks and real estate if they want.

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When markets readjust there will be major payback.



"Readjust"???  What does that mean?  I've already shown you that corporate profits are at an all time high.

You continuously refuse to accept the facts because you won't allow yourself to credit a black president for improving the economy.




Stocks and real estate are speculative investments with considerable risks, they could lose -50% or more in a few years, why would someone in retirement want to take that risk?

"credit a black president for improving the economy"

The President of the US has no correlation with the strength or weakness of the global economy.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/corporate-profits-set-to-shrink-for-fourth-consecutive-quarter-1468799278

Borrowing money to buy back shares while revenue and profits decline does NOT make stocks more valuable, there will be payback for such behavior.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23721376 - 10/09/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You got me,I should have known better than pick a fight with the guy with coins as his avatar

That 22% of the wealth of billionaires is estimated to be in cash blows my mind

On the corporate tax rate: I've seen some convincing arguments for lowering or
eliminating it. Not because it will cause voodoo growth, but because large corporations
will never pay it and it falls unfairly on the smaller businesses. We need creative ways to
shift the burden on the walmarts and monsantos




Exactly, there is simply no reason to keep these high tax rates, even as some are pushing to increase them

All taxes are passed on to the consumer, and to their employees through lower wages, as well, corporations never really pay them essentially




"All taxes are passed on to the consumer"

That's not true, in a competitive market place, higher taxes result in smaller profit margins, not higher prices.

"employees through lower wages"

That's not true either, if there's a tight labor market you can NOT lower wages, in fact during the 70's companies had to hike wages while profits were declining, boy have times changed.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: qman]
    #23721517 - 10/09/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

We no longer have a "competitive market" or a "tight labor pool"

If we did, you're logic would stand, as things are now, it does not


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23721647 - 10/09/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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i just did.  repatriating all that dough would expose the American public to the full brunt of the inflation caused by massive, years long, quantitative easing.
inflation would even devalue the additional tax revenue.




so once again, a problem caused by govt, but yeah, keep electing the same assholes, :thumbup:




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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: qman] * 1
    #23721708 - 10/09/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How are low interest rates not good for everyone?  I recently  bought a house at a 30 year 3.0% fixed rate.  3.0% is pretty good imho.  Why would you argue that's not good?



Come on Fal, how are low rates good for savers?  Also, it's killing banks and pension funds.

Low rates are also distorting the stock, bond and real estate markets.



Savers can put their money into stocks and real estate if they want.



Stocks and real estate are speculative investments with considerable risks, they could lose -50% or more in a few years, why would someone in retirement want to take that risk?



There are a whole range of investment options between savings and options trading.  Investors can decided how much risk they are willing to take.

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/corporate-profits-set-to-shrink-for-fourth-consecutive-quarter-1468799278

Borrowing money to buy back shares while revenue and profits decline does NOT make stocks more valuable



Do you think higher interest rates would make stocks more valuable?  :shrug:


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23721893 - 10/09/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Investing=saving what??




Yes.  If you don't understand basic business concepts, I suggest looking them up before asking.

Savings - The portion of disposable income not spent on consumption of consumer goods but accumulated or invested directly in capital equipment or in paying off a home mortgage, or indirectly through purchase of securities.

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Lel at king liberal not even knowing there is a level of systemic risk that can't be hedged away.



What makes you believe I don't know about systemic risk?  I have an MBA and am fairly confident I understand it a lot better than you do.

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Lrn2 finance bro.



I learned.  You should too.




Finance degree compared to what exactly?

Saving isn't the same thing as investing, stop lying.

Tell me Mr. "MBA" *cough* bullshit *cough* do you pay capital gains on the .05% interest you get from the bank? Can you withdraw your money at any time, or do you have sell your "security"? Is capital held in stocks backed by the government, or can you can you lose your entire keyword "investment" at any time.


Liar liar pants on fire!
:lol:

The easiest way to tell when you catch someone's bullshit or you've won an argument, is the reverting to an elementary school kid "no you" flip of an insult. Like shit you so embarrassed you can't even come up with your own insult.

The other sign that someone is a master purveyor of bullshit is they do the split quote tried and true "Zappa method" and hides behind obscure links. I'm on to you bro. :cop:






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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23721906 - 10/09/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The Federal Reserve is not the government, and bankers are not elected



The Federal Reserve is the government as much as the EPA, IRS, FBI, or any other government agency is.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: Enlil]
    #23721941 - 10/09/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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i just did.  repatriating all that dough would expose the American public to the full brunt of the inflation caused by massive, years long, quantitative easing.
inflation would even devalue the additional tax revenue.




so once again, a problem caused by govt, but yeah, keep electing the same assholes, :thumbup:




The Federal Reserve is not the government, and bankers are not elected



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The Federal Reserve is not the government, and bankers are not elected



The Federal Reserve is the government as much as the EPA, IRS, FBI, or any other government agency is.




Hard to believe that he doesn't understand the connection between the two


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23722055 - 10/09/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I understand about none of this talk.  I still keep money in a jar. 

Someday they are going to want to have all financial transactions be digital.  They talk sometimes about no longer printing bills above a $20.  Remember Gold used to be illegal to possess other than jewelry.

Your entire life easily indexed and researched to be against you.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23722207 - 10/09/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I understand about none of this talk.  I still keep money in a jar. 

Someday they are going to want to have all financial transactions be digital.  They talk sometimes about no longer printing bills above a $20.  Remember Gold used to be illegal to possess other than jewelry.

Your entire life easily indexed and researched to be against you.





There are two sides to every coin though.



Analytics can be used to provide overwhelming net positives in health and finance imo

It's gonna be pretty fucking cool when they can treat kids for heart diesese that will kill them in their 40s way before it's even an issue


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: elax420]
    #23722265 - 10/09/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They can already do that.  I know a guy in my family that has had a heart issue since he was born.  He has had heart surgery and has a pace maker.  He's getting closer to 70 if not already there.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23722439 - 10/09/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not a doctor. Unlike falcon I'm not comfortable with lying about shit I know nothing about.


Point is technology is gonna lead to some awesome things that are incredibly beneficial to society. Some shitty things too but I think it will be a net gain


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23723174 - 10/09/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How are low interest rates not good for everyone?  I recently  bought a house at a 30 year 3.0% fixed rate.  3.0% is pretty good imho.  Why would you argue that's not good?



Come on Fal, how are low rates good for savers?  Also, it's killing banks and pension funds.

Low rates are also distorting the stock, bond and real estate markets.



Savers can put their money into stocks and real estate if they want.



Stocks and real estate are speculative investments with considerable risks, they could lose -50% or more in a few years, why would someone in retirement want to take that risk?



There are a whole range of investment options between savings and options trading.  Investors can decided how much risk they are willing to take.

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/corporate-profits-set-to-shrink-for-fourth-consecutive-quarter-1468799278

Borrowing money to buy back shares while revenue and profits decline does NOT make stocks more valuable



Do you think higher interest rates would make stocks more valuable?  :shrug:




Obviously stock investors wouldn't want to see higher interest rates, the mere thought of just a 1/4 point hike sends them into a selling frenzy.


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: Enlil]
    #23723861 - 10/09/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The Federal Reserve is not the government, and bankers are not elected



The Federal Reserve is the government as much as the EPA, IRS, FBI, or any other government agency is.




Maybe so, but it is quite different from all of those agencies in that it is partially controlled by private business interests(openly).


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Re: Donald Trump to lower corporate tax to 15% [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23723869 - 10/09/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The other way around, actually.


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