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Can't define if contam or not (i am new)
#23715898 - 10/07/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello dear Shroomery community,
I tried to find cases like mine but I was success-less. Today is day 25 of my first grow, I prepared 5 jars with different sizes and shapes and i used pf tek. I steam sterilized my jars for about 90 minutes in a normal cooking pot. I built a incubator after a week because temperatures fell below 22°C (now its about 25-27°C). Two of my 5 jars were obviously contam after about 20 days and I threw them away instantly. As you can see the jars are pretty wet and therefore im worried even more, there are little spots which look like there grew no mycelium and im not sure if its bacteria, i am sorry for my basic english and thank you for your help!

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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23716102 - 10/07/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Last pic has a big blotch of mycelium colonized bacteria on the bottom. First pic has traces of verm and condensation. It's fine. 2nd pic needs more colonization.
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: Mad Season]
#23718603 - 10/08/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you very much, I guess i can throw it away now? Well the other two jars seem to be contam as well, i just realized i did the first 2 pics with the camera flashlight and thats why they appear to be safe. I followed the "fungi fun guide" I guess i should take a lesson in this forum, it appears to be perfect for learning
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23721221 - 10/09/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Throw it away? You'll still see a flush when bacterial
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23725204 - 10/10/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said: Throw it away? You'll still see a flush when bacterial
maybe so but ime its a lost cause. also you could run the risk of contaming further grows. best to dump bleach in them then throw them outside.
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: numnum59]
#23725336 - 10/10/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said: Throw it away? You'll still see a flush when bacterial
maybe so but ime its a lost cause. also you could run the risk of contaming further grows. best to dump bleach in them then throw them outside.
Literally all of this is stupid
A bit of bacteria isn't gonna contaminate everything your house is full of it anyway, ive gotten lots of fruits from bacterial cakes not to mention that all cakes are inherently bacterial. Fruiting bacterial cakes is fine its when you get a serious contam that you bin.
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23725487 - 10/10/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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im just speaking from my past recent experiences which was full of bacterial contam and failed attempts
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: numnum59]
#23727286 - 10/11/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would you bleach and throw away, you can bury them and see an outside fruiting waste not want not
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23736785 - 10/14/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey Guys, temperatures are too low for bringing them outside but i found this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595. I dont have enough spawn to do it exactly like he did but i would like to try it on a lower scale. And I'm still not sure about seeing a flush when bacterial so is this a good idea?
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23736790 - 10/14/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've never had a bacterial cake not flush
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23736823 - 10/14/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, I still got a lot to learn. I have read that if there is anything not white in pf tek you gotta throw it away asap, I was just scared that i could fuck myself up when fruiting not "the perfect cake". And what about the technique i posted? thank you very much for helping me, I dont want to annoy you people with my missing knowledge
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23736851 - 10/14/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Up to date pics would help see where your at now. Cakes are very resilient once they colonise. Contams can be white also, its more about knowing what each contam is most of the time its bacteria and bacteria in general isnt a real issue, it may lower your yeild but youll get something for your work. Black green red gray etc contams are the killers though. If youve any doubt post a good pic of the cake showing the area you are worried about.
 Here 3 cakes of mine I threw in my garage the one on the right is when you have a real bacterial problem, the jar half filled with water then turned yellow (has been out there for a while though) the middle jar was half myc half mold the difference was obvious
 The pic is of the mold not the myc, you can just see the myc on the bottom left
 Underside mainly myc
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23809266 - 11/07/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm very thankful for your help guys, but I got a little stressed out and lazy which lead to 2,5 weeks before birthing after 100% colonization. 2/3 cakes began to dry out a little bit so I made these pics:
 
I have one more question about my grow, everything else seems clear for me now. It's the 3rd day after birthing my cakes and I didn't know about dunking the cakes after birthing them - till now. I can't spot any pins on my cakes (which makes me lil nervous again ) so what do you think is the best to do now?
Edited by g-low (11/07/16 10:56 AM)
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23809582 - 11/07/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Theyll be dry as hell, id dunk them now
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23857113 - 11/22/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dunked the cakes for 20 hrs, then i birthed them into filter bags on wet tissues. I've seen no results for the following 2 weeks, I thought "shit this will not end well" so I focused on other things after about 1 1/2 weeks. I did not check the cakes for like 3 days, until yesterday. I noticed that the fruits are growing horizontal and now the plastic blocks the way of further growth. Here's a pic

Should I just let it do it's thing or should I think about moving the cake/new environment?
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23857141 - 11/22/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks like its got very little fae in there
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23857206 - 11/22/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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By Fae you mean Humidity? and if so, I could spray some water inside of the plastic. And as always, thank you very much
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23857238 - 11/22/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No fresh air exchange they look to be choking
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23857554 - 11/22/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Meaning you should poke some holes on that bag to let C2O buildup out and fresh air in.
Also, constant humidity is not good for them, they like fluctuating humidity better, which is also provided by fresh air exchange.
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: Tira]
#23865588 - 11/25/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sadly I read this post to late but still 1 shroom grew up high, weighing fresh picked about 20 grams. here's a pic almost crackerdry i think because it weights just 2.6 grams anymore (i put it into the oven at 150-160°F with doors open for 8 hours )

I also picked the second shroom from the 1. cake and dunked it again, looking forward to buy a dehydrator soon and I'm excited to have my first trip this weekend
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23902521 - 12/07/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello shroomery friends! It seems like i never run out of questions so please tell me when I start annoying you guys too much ^^ I have picked the 2nd flush of one of my cakes today, the shrooms look very weird. Do you think that eating these is a bad idea?

here's just a pic of the rest which i would say, are good to go
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23903111 - 12/07/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They look good but it looks like they were starved for air man
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: Tiamo]
#23909941 - 12/09/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay thats sad, but next time it won't happen . The holes i poked in the plastic bag weren't enough I think. Thx for your answer!
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Re: Can't define if contam or not (i am new) [Re: g-low]
#23919224 - 12/12/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep eat them and as said more air
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