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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717161 - 10/07/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Love is an emotion, compassion is not.


From Merriam-Webster:

compassion, n.  sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it


I definitely think of compassion as sympathetic consciousness.  It is much more of an existential configuration than simply an emotion.




If love is an emotion then is compassion not a sensation?




No, it isn't.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717166 - 10/07/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Not understanding is necessary for subjective experiences?




Not maintaining an entirety of understanding is necessary for subjective experience. Yes.

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Thank you, I now understand just as much as I did before because again I don't know what you mean.




:nodofunderstanding:


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People have different morals so of course they won't agree on everything.



To maintain free-will and subjective experience.... For life to continue as it is...
it cannot be that everything is in agreeance.

You disagree? K, that's the whole point. You're a quick study
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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23717211 - 10/07/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
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sudly said:
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DividedQuantum said:
Love is an emotion, compassion is not.


From Merriam-Webster:

compassion, n.  sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it


I definitely think of compassion as sympathetic consciousness.  It is much more of an existential configuration than simply an emotion.




If love is an emotion then is compassion not a sensation?




No, it isn't.




If compassion isn't an emotion and it isn't a sensation then it has to be a feeling.(what else could it be?)

Which in turn means that compassion is an emotion because feelings are emotions.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: phio]
    #23717233 - 10/07/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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phio said:
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sudly said:
Not understanding is necessary for subjective experiences?




Not maintaining an entirety of understanding is necessary for subjective experience. Yes.

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sudly said:
Thank you, I now understand just as much as I did before because again I don't know what you mean.




:nodofunderstanding:


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sudly said:
People have different morals so of course they won't agree on everything.



To maintain free-will and subjective experience.... For life to continue as it is...
it cannot be that everything is in agreeance.

You disagree? K, that's the whole point. You're a quick study
:nicesmile:




There can be an entirety of understanding that there is a distinction between a subjective experience and an objective purpose.
That distinction being that a subjective experience occurs internally within the physiology of a human being whereas an objective purpose is something that occurs in nature irrelevant of thought, opinion or human construct.

With duality there can be agreeance.
Body and Mind, Yin and Yang.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717295 - 10/07/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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sudly said:
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DividedQuantum said:
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sudly said:
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DividedQuantum said:
Love is an emotion, compassion is not.


From Merriam-Webster:

compassion, n.  sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it


I definitely think of compassion as sympathetic consciousness.  It is much more of an existential configuration than simply an emotion.




If love is an emotion then is compassion not a sensation?




No, it isn't.




If compassion isn't an emotion and it isn't a sensation then it has to be a feeling.(what else could it be?)

Which in turn means that compassion is an emotion because feelings are emotions.




:facepalm:

sudly, if you can't understand compassion, I'm just sorry.

It's more like an understanding and a sympathy between souls.  It's not an emotion, or a sensation, or a feeling.  It is ethereal.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23717324 - 10/07/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Oh right, you people are into bullshit..  :holyshit:

For me compassion is a sensation I feel when I can mentally put myself in the shoes of another.
Like a time I was at a train station on a rainy night and a homeless, mentally ill man came up to me and began talking about his life crisis and how he'd need to get on the train to find a dry place to sleep.

A few minutes after getting on the train I began to think about his situation and could relate it to my own experiences, it was then that I felt what I would call a sensation of compassion so I got up and gave the man some money for a meal.

The reason I did that is because I felt compassionate.

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Compassionate: feeling or showing sympathy and concern for others.




P.S. I have no soul.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717429 - 10/07/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You need to separate the compassion itself from the feelings it gives rise to.  There are two factors there, not just one.

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P.S. I have no soul.




Maybe that explains it?


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23717466 - 10/07/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The two factors are thoughts and sensations.
There are thoughts that result in sensations(e.g. anxiety) that result in actions that can display compassion.

What you call a soul I call the Central Nervous System.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717481 - 10/07/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You are entitled to think whatever you want.  That is one legitimate human freedom.  I differ from you, but wish you a good day, sir.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23717530 - 10/07/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Amen.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23717543 - 10/07/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think its more about cause and effect..the continuation of the universe and all the beings inside it..its a dynamic causm..and it cant be contained known..or even entertained..even the idea of rational morality...disapears like a fart in the wind..only the moral solvent of a sorcerer can save humanity! Please be willing to go with my Mojo on this..because I think morality is always in the words..and tone of voice of a person..so if you are nice..then we can get along..and surely your stance on morality cant change?

Or ken it?

But because I am a sorcerer, I have the legal right to source anybody in and out of the causm of time...so am I allowed to cast magic in public? Surely this is true..but based on the causm itself..I think most people are safe..and most morality arguments...are based on the safety of the person in question..so the saying goes..the longer you know someone..the more likely you are to get into a fight? Well its part of the philosophers stone..or thought causm itself..

People have criminal thoughts everyday...but to actualize them in public could result in jail or hospital treatment...so we have a general agreement between the citizens of society..that we can blend with the laws of Mother Nature..and have our ideal morality set in stone..as it appears on screen... or to the effect...Det, Iota..

Absorbed into time? Well yes..I think taking the eternal perspective of good vs evil...is longing to die anyways...I like to be good at everything..I do..Including morality..!


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717728 - 10/07/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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There can be an entirety of understanding that there is a distinction between a subjective experience and an objective purpose.




Sure. However, that cannot be maintained by a free-willed entity capable of subjective experience as subjective experience precludes an entirety of understanding. See, I knew you had it in you.
:psychsplit:

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That distinction being that a subjective experience occurs internally within the physiology of a human being whereas an objective purpose is something that occurs in nature irrelevant of thought, opinion or human construct.




You're soo coy. Hitting on all cylinders now..
:nicesmile:

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With duality there can be agreeance.
Body and Mind, Yin and Yang.




Well yes.. Ultimately, everything is everything. Humans are limited as to what they can perceive and understand in this way. Thus, they have free-will and subjective experience which leads to suffering. Can't have your cake and eat it too.



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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717746 - 10/07/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The two factors are thoughts and sensations.
There are thoughts that result in sensations(e.g. anxiety) that result in actions that can display compassion.

What you call a soul I call the Central Nervous System.





You're such a sassy one Sudly .. You keep fighting it even though you know better deep down :nicesmile:


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23717769 - 10/07/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think love is that yin yang thing that means well and perpetuates itself.

this pervades everything in life. we have to unblock it sometimes because things got insane and screwed up.

that's love.

at the yin yang level it is sensation, it is a feeling too (one of pleasure not pain), and wrapped up in experiences it becomes emotion.



Compassion originates from mind, and it invokes love to adjust what has come undone. Humans do not have a monopoly on either love or compassion


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: phio]
    #23717774 - 10/07/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Free will and suffering can co-exist, I don't disagree with that.

Love and hate can co-exist too.
So can fear and joy, envy and lust, happiness and sadness.

Feelings and thoughts are distinct from each other in how they are experienced and together they make up our sensations and emotions.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717787 - 10/07/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Compassion is the act, empathy is the feeling.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717814 - 10/07/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Free will and suffering can co-exist, I don't disagree with that.




Suffering is a result of free-will. Of course they co-exist. There's a casual relationship that links them. It has already been detailed how/why.

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Love and hate can co-exist too.
So can fear and joy, envy and lust, happiness and sadness.




You say co-exist as if you fail to see the deeper relationships.
When seeded, you pronounce it...
Speak truly and deeply Sudly. I know you're capable beyond your mechanistic pronouncements. You speak of objective purpose beyond yet tie yourself to mechanistic statements. Is there something that you don't want to let go of that holds you back?

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Feelings and thoughts are distinct from each other in how they are experienced but together they make up our sensations and emotions.



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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: hTx]
    #23717879 - 10/07/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Compassion is the act, empathy is the feeling.




I'm pretty sure compassion is acting on sympathy but the gist sounds right.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717894 - 10/07/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The suffering of a paper cut is not because of free will, it is because the human is a mechanistic organism and when the skins surface is cut, pain receptors transmit pain signals to the brain which is felt as pain.

Objective purpose isn't beyond anything, objective purpose is the mechanistic process of RNA transcription.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23718004 - 10/07/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Compassion is the act, empathy is the feeling.




I'm pretty sure compassion is acting on sympathy but the gist sounds right.



we three agree
fuck
I hate it when that happens!


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