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Invisiblesudly
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Answers to morality.
    #23715266 - 10/07/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What is perceptual distinguishment of good and bad?
Cognisance of good and bad is knowledge of morality. 
Morality is being able to distinguish good from bad. 
To be able to experience a subjective sensation. 
There is no objective morality. 
Morality is fluid and subjective. 
There is only one objective purpose and it is that of life to spread. 


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23715343 - 10/07/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Many terms in the English language (or any other language) are fluid and subjective, and because of this the OP wraps your noble premise in too much foam to expose its working elements.

I cannot even make clear sense about what the first line means, can you rewrite your premise more clearly?


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23715520 - 10/07/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think you can find consensus reality in morality.

It's a soul searching kind of thing, dude.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23715560 - 10/07/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeh basically.

Use the organisms basic needs to manipulate the dross with religion and superstition. Fuk I like fireworks to.

But I'm curious what our creativity will invent even as a pessimist. Most of it is retarded but sometimes it's stimulating.


Edited by Jaegar (10/07/16 08:24 AM)


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23715688 - 10/07/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So you believe in moral relativism?  I personally believe in two types of morality -- a relative set of moralities promulgated by various cultures, differing across different societies in certain ways.  I also think there is a universal morality rooted in compassion.  I feel that beings superior to ourselves would subscribe to such a morality.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23715734 - 10/07/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm associating a human emotion like compassion with other intelligent life. Sounds a bit silly.

Maybe the ultra advanced squids have no notion of such petty pretences.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: Jaegar]
    #23715754 - 10/07/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Love is an emotion, compassion is not.


From Merriam-Webster:

compassion, n.  sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it


I definitely think of compassion as sympathetic consciousness.  It is much more of an existential configuration than simply an emotion.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23715773 - 10/07/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I don't think we would have any relationship of any significance to a advanced species. How much do you have with a ant?

I think we definitely have a penchant for inflating our uniqueness.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: Jaegar]
    #23715785 - 10/07/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You're possibly right.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23715951 - 10/07/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

None of your business :highdog:


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23716015 - 10/07/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't say spreading life is an objective purpose

For some people it's a subjective purpose because they choose to label procreation as purposeful but it isn't inherently meaningful


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23716758 - 10/07/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, my ideas are in line with moral relativism.

I'm not referring directly to human reproduction, I'm referring to an objective purpose in life as the tendency of DNA to replicate itself.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23716947 - 10/07/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
There is only one objective purpose and it is that of life to spread. 




Otherwise stated as :
> Increased understanding
> Increased manifestations of such understanding
which leads to
>Increased enjoyment, peace, and harmony
This is the good moral path that is not always taken.

Highlight any range of immoral or bad acts and most typically you'll find the root being a misunderstanding or a lack of complete understanding in the individual perpetuating such acts. Most of the worlds suffering is due to this. Lack of complete understanding is seemingly a 'feature' however. There has to be something to keep this all going...
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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: phio]
    #23716971 - 10/07/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

With morality being both an individual choice and a social construct, I don't know what you mean.

Suffering it just a part of nature, but so is joy and happiness.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23717001 - 10/07/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Selflessness and evidence.


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23717047 - 10/07/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

bigdoodie said:
Selflessness and evidence.




Honor


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23717053 - 10/07/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I like that  :thumbup:


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23717085 - 10/07/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

DividedQuantum said:
Love is an emotion, compassion is not.


From Merriam-Webster:

compassion, n.  sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it


I definitely think of compassion as sympathetic consciousness.  It is much more of an existential configuration than simply an emotion.




If love is an emotion then is compassion not a sensation?


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: sudly]
    #23717108 - 10/07/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
With morality being both an individual choice and a social construct, I don't know what you mean.

Suffering it just a part of nature, but so is joy and happiness.




You get what I am saying.... Don't be coy Sudly
:nicesmile:

Suffering occurs due to a lack of understanding.
A lack of total understanding is necessary for free-will and subjective experience.
True enough, suffering is natural.

Ultimately, total understanding dictates what is objectively good/bad.
Correct, human beings don't maintain total understanding which is why they function off incomplete and flawed versions of it : morality and other social constructs.

So, again stated
"Highlight any range of immoral or bad acts and most typically you'll find the root being a misunderstanding or a lack of complete understanding in the individual perpetuating such acts. Most of the worlds suffering is due to this. Lack of complete understanding is seemingly a 'feature' however. There has to be something to keep this all going..."


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Re: Answers to morality. [Re: phio]
    #23717130 - 10/07/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not understanding is necessary for subjective experiences?

Thank you, I now understand just as much as I did before because again I don't know what you mean.

People have different morals so of course they won't agree on everything.


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