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Is this small for a first wave? First time growing
    #23715194 - 10/07/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys, first time grow here. I birthed the cakes 2 weeks ago and did not dunk or roll them. I was going to wait till after the first wave to dunk my cakes. It looks like my first wave is slowing down. Does this seem to be small for a first wave? All of my cakes have seemed very healthy throughout the process.

EDIT*** I have an air pump to control fresh air flow even though you cant see it. I know they need fresh air...



Also, when do yall pick your shrooms? I have been told to pick when the veil breaks. I think this guy is ready.



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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715218 - 10/07/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This is 2016 the most advanced fruiting chamber is the SGFC. Properly built. So google proper sgfc and build that and transfer your cakes immediately.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Groo]
    #23715228 - 10/07/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Mine is basically the same thing...I just have a small timed air pump to control the air flow instead of holes...Idk what you are talking about


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715237 - 10/07/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Oh my god how do you not know what a sgfc is? It needs fresh air to increase pinning humidity like that is over worked. As to the fruit when the veil breaks like that is perfect. But since you have so few fruit wait a little more until a little spores drop. Then cut away the cap for spore print. And pick the base


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715241 - 10/07/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Air pumps are gay


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #23715249 - 10/07/16 06:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Air pumps are gay




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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: tump]
    #23715251 - 10/07/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh my god how do you not know what a sgfc is? It needs fresh air to increase pinning humidity like that is over worked. As to the fruit when the veil breaks like that is perfect. But since you have so few fruit wait a little more until a little spores drop. Then cut away the cap for spore print. And pick the base




I know what sgfc is. But it was my first time and I bought a kit that came with an air pump so that is what I am using. Why would an air pump be any different that holes?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715255 - 10/07/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well if it had holes then you be getting more fresh air exchange which would cause you to get so many more mushrooms.
This grow's basically a waste of time for you. It looks like barely 1 fruit per cake.

Plus you should dunk and roll when birthed. That would also give you more fruit.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715258 - 10/07/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its just unnessary, all they need is the old air to be replaced with new air 4 times a day, mist first then fan with the lid for like 10 secs. That is if you have a proper sgfc


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #23715272 - 10/07/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I can still dunk and roll them after this first wave and set my pump to be on longer right? Not all is lost?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715284 - 10/07/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Not only is it not necessary, it's not advised. It simply creates a microclimate for contams to get started. After the first flush it's dunk only.




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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Tuhdoww]
    #23715292 - 10/07/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why no roll? It appears that the only place I have growth is on the dry vermiculite


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715305 - 10/07/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There's all kinds of unsterile things on those cakes right now from being exposed to open air.
If you roll it in verm it will be create a better suited environment for those unsterile things to get going and ruin your project.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Tuhdoww]
    #23715310 - 10/07/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Oh okay, thanks! After I dunk them, should I orient the cakes in the same way in my chamber? Also, is dunking in the fridge a bad idea?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715313 - 10/07/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Why no roll? It appears that the only place I have growth is on the dry vermiculite




That's why you want to do a good roll before the first flush..


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Inocuole]
    #23715317 - 10/07/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I would have but I forgot I had verm leftover


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715334 - 10/07/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I would have but I forgot I had verm leftover




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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Tuhdoww]
    #23715338 - 10/07/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Also love the "first wave" thing, like this is Galaga.  :lol:


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Inocuole]
    #23715340 - 10/07/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Lol. After I dunk them, should I orient the cakes in the same way in my chamber? Also, is dunking in the fridge a bad idea?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715359 - 10/07/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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there's no need for the fridge




And it seems good as is.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Tuhdoww]
    #23715414 - 10/07/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, any other advice for the rest of this grow? Should I use hydrogen peroxide on the perlite while I'm dunking the cakes? Also, should I try for a third flush?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715425 - 10/07/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No peroxide.
You can keep them going till they turn green. There's no set ammount of flushes.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Tuhdoww]
    #23715430 - 10/07/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, is it worth drilling holes for the 2nd flush? I feel like it would be easier for me to just set my pump to be on every other hour or so.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715450 - 10/07/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It'd be a pain in the butt to drill holes now.
I'd do what you were saying with the pump.
Next time tho... :takingnotes:


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Tuhdoww]
    #23715460 - 10/07/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I'm going to change it up for next time haha. I also use the container for the colonization stage, will the holes have any effect on that? I feel like it would make it harder for me to keep the temp around 80F.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715465 - 10/07/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm probably going to eat the two biggest ones when I get off work today. Gunna weigh them out. Should I be misting my cakes?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715570 - 10/07/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

-walks in-

"airpumps are gay"

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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23715620 - 10/07/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Lmao


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715747 - 10/07/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The sgfc really does look lie a piece of shit, and the air pump method to most noobs looks like HELL YEAH LOOK AT ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY THAT SHITS GOTTA GROW BETTER MUSHROOMS THAT THAT POS SGFC. You couldn't be more wrong.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23715831 - 10/07/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Mine is basically the same thing...I just have a small timed air pump to control the air flow instead of holes...Idk what you are talking about



A sgfc is a chamber with hundreds of holes doing PASSIVE airflow. This is a pump doing FORCED airflow. They're not at all the same thing. In fact they're the polar ends of opposite. With small chambers like this, passive airflow wins ALWAYS.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Mad Season]
    #23715847 - 10/07/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I gotcha, thanks for the advice.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Mad Season]
    #23716281 - 10/07/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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With small chambers like this, passive airflow wins ALWAYS.




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Also, it's cheaper.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #23716903 - 10/07/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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With small chambers like this, passive airflow wins ALWAYS.




:whathesaid:

Also, it's cheaper.




Wrong. Henceforth I am now charging a hole tax on all holes drilled in any SGFC going forward. The cost is $0.33 per hole drilled. 68% of all tax monies will be forwarded to Mark R Keith as it was his idea. Pay up bitches. . .

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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Mad Season]
    #23717059 - 10/07/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Can't argue with pasty. Pay the man. Glad i got mine locked in before the sgfc tax kicked in :superbanana:


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23717128 - 10/07/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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With small chambers like this, passive airflow wins ALWAYS.




:whathesaid:

Also, it's cheaper.




Wrong. Henceforth I am now charging a hole tax on all holes drilled in any SGFC going forward. The cost is $0.33 per hole drilled. 68% of all tax monies will be forwarded to Mark R Keith as it was his idea. Pay up bitches. . .

:lookslucrative:




If you are charging $0.33 a hole for the small holes what are you charging for 1.5" holes?

or does this only apply to SGFC's?

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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: morty422]
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Quote:

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Quote:

Inocuole said:
Quote:

Mad Season said:
With small chambers like this, passive airflow wins ALWAYS.




:whathesaid:

Also, it's cheaper.




Wrong. Henceforth I am now charging a hole tax on all holes drilled in any SGFC going forward. The cost is $0.33 per hole drilled. 68% of all tax monies will be forwarded to Mark R Keith as it was his idea. Pay up bitches. . .

:lookslucrative:




If you are charging $0.33 a hole for the small holes what are you charging for 1.5" holes?

or does this only apply to SGFC's?

:lmafo:




Holes that are 1" and up are going for $15 a pop now. So build them monos now cause it goes into effect in 2017.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23717191 - 10/07/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I forecasted this hole tax and went hole-less already


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    #23717196 - 10/07/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I forecasted this hole tax and went hole-less already




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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23717235 - 10/07/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Tuhdoww]
    #23717286 - 10/07/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just don't tax the plates....it's for the greater good of the world.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23717806 - 10/07/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I forecasted this hole tax and went hole-less already




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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: morty422]
    #23725804 - 10/10/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So after dunking for the first time, all 10 of my cakes have a dark green tint :/ im assuming this means I should throw them out?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23725807 - 10/10/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Pic's. . .


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23725810 - 10/10/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

or if you dont want to post a picture if you say green the answer is toss out always


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23725815 - 10/10/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Unless it's blue/green or not even green at all.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23725846 - 10/10/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



After searching the forum for a minute im assuming this is just bruising from stress during dunking/being dehydrated/poor FAE?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23725877 - 10/10/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That's not green. You better get in the habit of asking your questions in the form of a picture.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23725899 - 10/10/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed. Is there any other way to increase AE besides just setting my air pump to run more often during the day and fanning with the lid when im not at work? (Dont worry, I plan on doing the shotgun method next time).


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23725923 - 10/10/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Get another air pump and hope it doesn't dry it all out :shrug:


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23725943 - 10/10/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I would just leave the lid like 75% on 25% off and get the air pump out.


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23726259 - 10/10/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I would just leave the lid like 75% on 25% off and get the air pump out.





anyone else agree with this?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23726313 - 10/10/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23726336 - 10/10/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I would just leave the lid like 75% on 25% off and get the air pump out.





anyone else agree with this?




Bodhi knows how to run a no hole tub so I would listen to him :super:


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23726379 - 10/10/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Mad Season said:
With small chambers like this, passive airflow wins ALWAYS.




:whathesaid:

Also, it's cheaper.




Wrong. Henceforth I am now charging a hole tax on all holes drilled in any SGFC going forward. The cost is $0.33 per hole drilled. 68% of all tax monies will be forwarded to Mark R Keith as it was his idea. Pay up bitches. . .

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I love how we are so conditioned to blindly paying taxes that no one even questions where the other 32% of our hole tax is going

And on another note, roll your cakes and place in SGFC already! Damn..


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23726384 - 10/10/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hardrock3742 said:
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I would just leave the lid like 75% on 25% off and get the air pump out.





anyone else agree with this?




I leave the lid on my tubs off and turned 90 degrees when I am home, works pretty damn good for me!

There's another user I know who leaves his lid off while he's home as well...

......but we don't speak of him anymore...
It's Bodhisatta


However, a properly built SGFC does not need to have the lid off-etc... If you do it right, it'll do you right.

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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: morty422]
    #23726536 - 10/10/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I was told not to roll them after the first flush because it will create a perfect environment for bacteria. Someone said it earlier in this thread.

Also, should I keep the lid slightly off before there is any pinning? How should I treat the chamber differently from before they pin to after?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: morty422]
    #23726547 - 10/10/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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morty422 said:
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Hardrock3742 said:
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bodhisatta said:
I would just leave the lid like 75% on 25% off and get the air pump out.





anyone else agree with this?




I leave the lid on my tubs off and turned 90 degrees when I am home, works pretty damn good for me!

There's another user I know who leaves his lid off while he's home as well...

......but we don't speak of him anymore...
It's Bodhisatta


However, a properly built SGFC does not need to have the lid off-etc... If you do it right, it'll do you right.

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why only keep the lid unfastened while at home?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23726624 - 10/10/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So you can monitor moisture loss then mist as needed.

Also, you are correct. You are not supposed to re-roll your cakes after first flush... But you are supposed to roll your cakes in verm...
Honestly man. If I were you, I would worry less about bacteria, and more about your setup if you want to have a good second flush... Ahem  SGFC
At this rate you're bound to have other problems before your cakes reach their fruiting potential anyway:justdontknow:

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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23726864 - 10/10/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So you can monitor moisture loss then mist as needed.

Also, you are correct. You are not supposed to re-roll your cakes after first flush... But you are supposed to roll your cakes in verm...
Honestly man. If I were you, I would worry less about bacteria, and more about your setup if you want to have a good second flush... Ahem  SGFC
At this rate you're bound to have other problems before your cakes reach their fruiting potential anyway:justdontknow:

just my 2 cents




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I was a bit off topic in stating the above...

Your main focus should be creating a SGFC that works as it should.

The 'lid off' bullshittery I was discussing and comebackkid was adding on to is more of a technique used with monotubs.

Your SGFC being correctly made and maintained will do absolutely everything you want it to do for your cakes...

Your cakes being properly made (dunked and rolled at birth) will do everything it can for your fruiting bodies.

If you have the perfect environment - but you didn't set up your cakes well...you might have a bit of success-however, the point of the dunk and roll is to give your cakes the tools necessary to have the perfect micro-climate right where it needs to be (about a half-inch off the cakes) and to give you the best results possible.
The SGFC being properly made with the right holes in a 2"x2" grid and the 4-6" of perlite will keep the cakes in the right conditions.

You have to start with the chamber being correct. The rest can only follow after the conditions for growth are there.

I can elaborate on anything you need - ask away!

There are many people here that will help you!

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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: morty422]
    #23727424 - 10/11/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I appreciate everyone's help, but as stated before, I was just trying to get advice for salvaging this grow without using SGFC. I was going to use SGFC next time. But I suppose I should just make the mess on this one. Should I take out the perlite to drill the holes?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23727447 - 10/11/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm true I must have missed that part of the thread. But yeah it makes more sense to do it for this one. Idk why anyone would want a second rate fruiting chamber when all it takes to build a better one is a 1/4" drill bit. Pluss less maintenance in the long run. Its a win win win situation.
Yeah just take the cakes out and place em on the counter and dump the perlite in a bucket or bag while you drill holes.

I personally would roll those cakes but maybe run that idea past a TC before you do.

And if you really wanna get the most out of your cakes, check out my bottom watering tek :awesomenod:

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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23728613 - 10/11/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What do yall think? Should I roll after my first flush if I didn't roll before the first?


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Re: Is this small for a first wave? First time growing [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23728659 - 10/11/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What do yall think? Should I roll after my first flush if I didn't roll before the first?



No, you should not.


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