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Moabfighter
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Does DMT really make you see this?
#23714758 - 10/06/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Few questions.
Mushrooms don't really do what I thought "tripping" was. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy them. But they don't do what I thought they did.
I've always been fascinated by what I think DMT makes you see. But surely it can't. It's hard for me to comprehend, as I've never seen or done anything close to, what I think, happens when on DMT.
I googled DMT, and this is a very basic idea of what I imagine to see. But surely not. I don't even know how to explain what this picture depicts. No idea what it is. But I want to see it, and every variation of it.
I'm not trying to sound stereotypical, at all, but there's just no way this is real, really? (Obviously a fictional photo, but the idea is the same)
Does DMT REALLY make you see "this" and variants of "this" photo?
If so, it's very much worth me crafting DMT to achieve these visions.
Thanks for any help.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Moabfighter]
#23714780 - 10/06/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Closed eye visuals at six grams was very close to that pic. But it was pure geometry. Be very carful the nature of shrooms change at or above 5 grams.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: rider420]
#23714808 - 10/07/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel like CEVS are simply me imagining CEVS. I feel like I can't embrace them kind of because the back of my mind tells me I'm just trying too see what I see with my eyes closed.
I very distinctly once remember seeing Buddha floating in my vision with some odd geometric spirals.
I want to eat some shrooms soon with the sole intent of never opening my eyes. Just laying in bed in the dark and seeing what I feel.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Moabfighter] 1
#23714842 - 10/07/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No it is much more awesome.
It is far more complex than your brain can normally interpret. Nobody I have ever known about has captured that kind of complexity visually, and it is definitely not possible. I don't think any amount of money can make a man so smart that he can make his computer express the complexity of high dose psychedelic experiences.
I know the mind is fully capable, but the greatest computers are nothing even close.
The divine mandala of high dose lsd, or even the infinite snakes weaving in and out of reality that dmt might provide on the comedown, will never be described by a computer. Let alone a shitty jpeg.
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fact.
Dmt makes you see things way fucking beyond that at low doses!
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Moabfighter] 1
#23714848 - 10/07/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DMT has given me visuals profoundly stronger and more wild than the image you posted. Much more colorful and much more visual activities going on at once.
Hard to explain. But yeah, it can produce visuals somewhere in the category of that image Except that image aint got shit on dmt.
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fractalsybolism said: fact.
Dmt makes you see things way fucking beyond that at low doses!
Agreed. Even at a low dose the visuals are more incredible than that photo.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: ak47myth]
#23714868 - 10/07/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is a cool image though.
Landscapes like that do happen. They are way less man made looking though. Like a jungle in your brain is more like it.
To see a plane or landscape is not uncommon, so I think it is a real cool image.
It seems like a detailed image, but there is nothing there that expresses high dose dmt. You would need a supercomputer to come anywhere close. And luckily or brains can now do that with little effort. Making computers look like a bunch of assholes.
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Even low dose lsd though. Computers can't really do that.
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Agreeing with everyone about DMT and will add that it sounds like you haven't taken enough mushrooms. Every gram profoundly changes things. At 1-2 gram you almost have to force these visions and such. At 3g they come and go. 4-5g you will literally get lost in them and forget you exist. You still may have the same question but it becomes more of a philosophical one as you realize there's not really an answer.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: krypto2000]
#23715149 - 10/07/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, do take into account that some people are less visual than others, and that tripping goes way beyond "seeing stuff", even though it can be a cool sideshow. It might be that you'll never see what you're looking for, but that should'nt be a reason to discard tripping. On the contrary, you might be less distracted than others, whatever they and you may think.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Moabfighter]
#23716233 - 10/07/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushrooms don't really do what I thought "tripping" was.
...I feel like CEVS are simply me imagining CEVS. I feel like I can't embrace them kind of because the back of my mind tells me I'm just trying too see what I see with my eyes closed.
I understand that feeling but it sounds like you simply need to take more. On a slow come-up the CEVs do tend to start off a bit lifeless, like they are half imagination and half CEV, but at this point they are at maybe 5% intensity compared to the peak of a decently strong trip, if that. It would be like watching a Boeing 747 taxi into its hanger and saying "You know, these planes don't go as fast or as high as I was expecting."
You don't really mention if you expect to see this kind of thing with your eyes open or closed.......it would be a tall order on shrooms with your eyes open (if the world looks like this you are probably too mindfucked to pay any attention), but in terms of shroom CEV it would be nothing unusual - although CEVs don't place themselves into artfully arranged compositions in quite the same way; they seem to possess a combination of extreme randomness and tightly ordered fractal geometry.
The repeating blocks and little blue round things are like the 'lego bricks' of my CEV which can form themselves into vast towering structures. These blocks themselves have more blocks within them, like some kind of endlessly repeating fractal latticework. I notice that in this picture they are shaded to represent shadow, although in my experience the objects in CEV tend to be "lit from within" - i.e they glow, and my CEV don't often look like paintings, they have the appearance of real objects (perfect geometrical forms) in real 3D space. You stop "seeing stuff appear" and start looking *into* the CEV as though its a space 'out there'.
The black backdrop is a familiar feature of my CEV, although to me it looks more like innerspace than outer-space, or perhaps some underground or alien realm. The organic-looking objects in the background are also fairly normal-looking for shroom CEV. And the guy with the pointy head - I did see someone like this in my CEV during a shroom trip, I thought afterwards it must be due to a memory of the 'Silent Hill' film or something from an old music video.
I think the issue with shrooms is that the visuals are not particularly forthcoming at low doses - it's unrealistic to expect a lighthearted, fun trip where you can just chill out feeling mildly euphoric and watch your room transform into some kind of virtual reality while you sit back eating pizza as though you are in some kind of psychedelic cinema. And to be honest.... for that type of experience you might as well be looking at artwork or exploring a computer game, because your mind is not really engaged with what you are seeing.
You can see some quite impressive open-eye visuals on shrooms without getting completely out of your box, but it does need a fairly solid dose. Also the visuals can be quite subtle, things that creep out of the shadows and change your surroundings into something incredible before disappearing again. One thing that really impressed me was seeing a curtain in front of me briefly change texture into something resembling a circuit board, as though there had been a glitch in the matrix revealing the true reality underneath. And that is where 'the trip' comes in, because you don't just see it and think "hey, that was quite cool", you are seeing something that awakens forgotten memories, you get an ominous feeling that you really are getting a different reality occluding your own. You are not alone.
And sometimes the visuals are simply quite fun, for example this is a quote from a trip journal from a shroom trip which wasn't particularly crazy or harsh:
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The room seems to hover uneasily between being a normal room and twisting into some strange dimension where the duvet forms a sea, the bathroom becomes a lighthouse, the lamp becomes a sun and words form in the wood paneling and flow like clouds over the ocean...
That phrase of "twisting into some strange dimension" is fairly literal when you are in a heavy trip. The CEVs have increased in intensity from something that started out faint, dull and lifeless, into a glowing, writhing and coiling abyss within your mind which you are struggling to prevent yourself falling into. They are completely independent of your imagination, you can't control or stop them, they are scaring you, they seem to be the emissary or harbinger of some kind of dreadful entity which is drawing you slowly but surely into its domain...
During a full-blown trip it's as if you have either put an end to this universe or created another one, the whole basis of your reality has changed, spaces have opened up within your mind that were never there before, the fundamental nature of reality changes from being physical into pure consciousness, you feel like you have all the answers and you can ride the CEV like a massive euphoric psychedelic rollercoaster.......
I don't know what you thought tripping is or was, but I've never had any particular desire to make it stronger or more weird by trying DMT.....fine stuff I'm sure it is judging by reports.
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I don't even know how to explain what this picture depicts. No idea what it is.
If it was from one of my shroom trips, I would say it was something like:
You died several billion years ago, you are looking at the interior of some kind of vast alien vessel that is patrolling the multiverse and reactivating any traces of previous conscious experience from available information. The strange things in the background are alien forms of some kind, and also its not strictly a physical space because the whole thing exists in some kind of artificial reality where you can create universes inside your head by tripping on mushrooms blah blah blah and the guy with the pointy head is there as an avatar of our alien overlords to explain it all to you, but do you believe him? 
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Aldebaran]
#23716764 - 10/07/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eat more.
On low doses of DMT or when you're coming down, you can't tell if your eyes are open or closed due to the visuals.
My guess is you're gonna take too much of something and really lose your shit.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Mycolorado]
#23716769 - 10/07/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That photo does not do DMT justice
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: PsychoKinesiS] 1
#23716839 - 10/07/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DMT visuals inhabit spacial dimensions that are not even perceptible to sober reality. I don't really know how to explain it. But it's kind of like transcending into another reality. It is not simply a reconstruction and abstraction of the one you're in, but something entirely different.
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Its hard to explain but I see stuff similar to that I guess. More of a mesh of nets and patterns constantly moving inwards on themselves and making shapes and forms. Sometimes entities but mosly just weird shapes that I can never describe. Sometimes I am taken to other realities that are just as real feeling as this one, its very weird and reminds me of my deep salvia trips. That doesnt happen very often at all tho and is usually after a few big bowls. Where I would smoke one right after the other, have my friend load it as quick as possibal before I fly off into hyperspace. The geometric net/mesh shapes are so amazing tho, its looking into the web of life or into infinity.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23717027 - 10/07/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DMT is way more visually intense than that photo, even at very low doses.
If you take enough, you see things that are more real looking than your sober reality, and it opens your mind to the possibility that there are far more dimensions out there than the one in which we exist.
D!T is less like a drug and more like a wormhole in space and time.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: WeAreMushroom]
#23717111 - 10/07/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fucking balls. You guys make me wanna look into DMT.
I'm not interested in the dark web, can't you buy something. Like 5meo DMT or something online? Legally?
May be down to try to make it if it isn't like cooking meth or anything.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Moabfighter]
#23718200 - 10/08/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moabfighter said: Fucking balls. You guys make me wanna look into DMT.
I'm not interested in the dark web, can't you buy something. Like 5meo DMT or something online? Legally?
May be down to try to make it if it isn't like cooking meth or anything.
5 meo dmt isnt anything like NN dmt. You wont be able to order a dmt substitute, because theres nothing quite like it.
Extracting dmt is pretty easy. And cheap.
I ordered a fucking KILO of acacia for 65 bucks.
ps OP hop off my avatar. haha. i think theres 3 of us on this site with the same brown box avatar.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: ak47myth]
#23718217 - 10/08/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ak47myth said:
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Moabfighter said: Fucking balls. You guys make me wanna look into DMT.
I'm not interested in the dark web, can't you buy something. Like 5meo DMT or something online? Legally?
May be down to try to make it if it isn't like cooking meth or anything.
5 meo dmt isnt anything like NN dmt. You wont be able to order a dmt substitute, because theres nothing quite like it.
Extracting dmt is pretty easy. And cheap.
I ordered a fucking KILO of acacia for 65 bucks.
ps OP hop off my avatar. haha. i think theres 3 of us on this site with the same brown box avatar.
You got a kilo of acacia for $65?? Wow, that's remarkably cheap. What was your yield from that bark? Was it good inner root bark?
Now you got me curious.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: WeAreMushroom] 1
#23718566 - 10/08/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aldebaran, to use a line from Blazing Saddles, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.
Good descriptions
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Moabfighter]
#23718577 - 10/08/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't c images(CEV0. I see entities walking around & I can communicate with them. They are some r demonic & some r Angelic Deities. They r REAL 4 sure in my experiences. (my openion) Peace & Love
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fractalsybolism said: No it is much more awesome.
It is far more complex than your brain can normally interpret. Nobody I have ever known about has captured that kind of complexity visually, and it is definitely not possible. I don't think any amount of money can make a man so smart that he can make his computer express the complexity of high dose psychedelic experiences.
I know the mind is fully capable, but the greatest computers are nothing even close.
The divine mandala of high dose lsd, or even the infinite snakes weaving in and out of reality that dmt might provide on the comedown, will never be described by a computer. Let alone a shitty jpeg.
YES! Peace & Love (Really can't b explained with a computer.)
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: ak47myth]
#23718585 - 10/08/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ak47myth said: DMT has given me visuals profoundly stronger and more wild than the image you posted. Much more colorful and much more visual activities going on at once.
Hard to explain. But yeah, it can produce visuals somewhere in the category of that image Except that image aint got shit on dmt.
That image ain't got shit on DMT. (lol)(lol)(lol) Peace yall
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: majicman30]
#23719131 - 10/08/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The image doesn't serve justice to dmt because in hyperspace, there are beings and objects in 4D. Since we're in the third dimension, our brains can't interpret and bring back what we've seen in 4D.
You just gotta see it for yourself.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Mycolorado]
#23720219 - 10/08/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Eat more.
This ^ Just a couple more G. I've been to more beautiful, complex, ordered, multidimensional masterpieces than that on mushrooms. Not even 5g but I'm a lightweight. And they were liberty caps. It is a good picture though and points in the right direction sort of.
Sorry to off topic but what is that orange thing in your signature mycolarado?
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Psilocypher] 1
#23720816 - 10/08/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's a plate of mycelium grown from the spores of a mushroom in the pic next to it. Those balls all over are mushroom primordia forming invitro.
Ive only had a few large doses of DMT and my first breakthrough went like this: After putting the pipe down (this always happens to me on a breakthrough) I immediately start looping. After the looping, I'm seeing a kaleidoscopic breakdown in vision to the point of not understanding what I'm seeing. I'm then confronted with an indescribable room in which silver, turquoise and salmon colored cubes are continuously folding in on itself. When I stop trying to make sense of what's happening I see mckenna's chrysanthemum...to me it looks like a brushed silver trilobe within a salmon colored circle. I'm pretty sure this is representative of my consciousness or ego...essentially the emblem of my soul if that's not too cheesy. I see this in the shifting cube room with rooms tumbling into themselves...once I settle down the emblem floats up to me or me it and then I'm through it. At this point I'm like a liquid swirling in a square corkscrew downward and I'm aware of an electrified Mayan blue color all around. I eventually come out into what seems like empty space but I can see out at a distance a glowing yellow-orange bubble or mist surrounding this space. I call it the "pool" and I'm certain it's a collection of all the souls or energy or spark or whatever you want to call it, that goes out when lifeforms die.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Mycolorado]
#23722302 - 10/09/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks. What causes it to start forming from the centre? Reminds me of an eye.
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Re: Does DMT really make you see this? [Re: Psilocypher]
#23722555 - 10/09/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's where he inoculated it, either with a drop of spore solution or more likely an agar wedge. Basically you would cut a tiny piece off of a plate just like that and transfer it to a new one. It's a method we use to select specific strains and to grow away from contaminants. Actually on second glance you can see the wedge right there in the center of the dish, that's the triangle looking thing you see and you'll notice how it all grows outward from that.
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