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Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? 1
#23714237 - 10/06/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know this is a false dichotomy but it is a question on the Meyers-Briggs corresponding to the Feeling/Thinking personality types.
Feelers, it said, answer that people should be treated as individuals, whereas thinkers answer that people should be treated as equals. I was given the test recently during occupational counseling and challenged this assumption, stating that I think people should be treated as individuals because equal treatment, while generally honorable in intent, sometimes has unfair results.
For example, if an apple hanging from an apple tree is 9 feet off the ground and three people, one 6', one 5'6", and one 5' tall, are given an equally sized 3 foot step ladder, that helps the first person without helping the second two.. the 5' person needs a 4' step ladder and the 5'6" needs a 3'6" ladder.
I did not arrive at this conclusion because my heart bleeds for each and every individual person, however, but because my rational mind came to the conclusion that it was logical. Thus I argued that my answer corresponded to the Thinking personality type.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714251 - 10/06/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Both.
*INTP/J masterrace.
Edited by falsereality (10/06/16 07:58 PM)
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: falsereality]
#23714260 - 10/06/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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falsereality said: Both.
*INTP/J masterrace.
Not so subtle "I didn't read the post" post.
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I know this is a false dichotomy but it is a question on the Meyers-Briggs corresponding to the Feeling/Thinking personality types.
The question is designed to make you think about how you approach your judgments and decisions.
I'm an INTP as well
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714265 - 10/06/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am also INTP
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23714270 - 10/06/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: I am also INTP 
I'd bet money it's the most common personality type on this message board.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted] 1
#23714271 - 10/06/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is not a false dichotomy because both terms apply, it's better to treat people as both individuals and equals. Without treating people as equal to you, you can't find out the depths of their individualism.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: falsereality]
#23714275 - 10/06/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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falsereality said: It is not a false dichotomy because both terms apply, it's better to treat people as both individuals and equals.
I don't think you understand what a false dichotomy is...
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714283 - 10/06/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I don't think you understand what a false dichotomy is...
, my bad. You get my point though?
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714288 - 10/06/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Both.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: falsereality]
#23714299 - 10/06/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I don't think you understand what a false dichotomy is...
, my bad. You get my point though?
Your point is stupid. It is evading the question. Clearly everyone should try their best to act in the interest of all positive principles when possible. But we are forced to make choices.
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The question is designed to make you think about how you approach your judgments and decisions.
For example, if two people are poor and want to buy a 5 dollar item, and one has 50 cents, and one has 2 dollars, and I give them both 3 dollars, clearly I am not treating them both as equals AND individuals in any meaningful sense of the word. If I were treating them as individuals I would give the one with 50 cents 4.50 and the other one 3 dollars. It's pretty simple.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714308 - 10/06/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714372 - 10/06/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I don't think you understand what a false dichotomy is...
, my bad. You get my point though?
Your point is stupid. It is evading the question. Clearly everyone should try their best to act in the interest of all positive principles when possible. But we are forced to make choices.
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The question is designed to make you think about how you approach your judgments and decisions.
For example, if two people are poor and want to buy a 5 dollar item, and one has 50 cents, and one has 2 dollars, and I give them both 3 dollars, clearly I am not treating them both as equals AND individuals in any meaningful sense of the word. If I were treating them as individuals I would give the one with 50 cents 4.50 and the other one 3 dollars. It's pretty simple.
Your right we are forced to make choices but that does not mean it has to be A or B. There can be C,D,E, even not choosing is a choice (funny how that works). Give the two poor people nothing and instead shoot the shit with then for 20 minutes joke around or buy them each their $5 item. Both.
I'm not trying to rag on you, just open your perception and realize there is room for a million shades of grey between black and white.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714424 - 10/06/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So is the implication that people who feel more than they think will treat people as individuals? Whereas more logical and rational people will respond that they should be treated as equals?
You reasoned that people should be treated as individuals, because when they are treated as equals it can lead to unfair outcomes. To me this sounds like a rational and logical reason for why you share the position that is associated with the "feelers."
I think a lot of personality tests are not as objective as people would like to believe them to be, because there are certain implicit biases such as these.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: nuentoter]
#23714431 - 10/06/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I don't think you understand what a false dichotomy is...
, my bad. You get my point though?
Your point is stupid. It is evading the question. Clearly everyone should try their best to act in the interest of all positive principles when possible. But we are forced to make choices.
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The question is designed to make you think about how you approach your judgments and decisions.
For example, if two people are poor and want to buy a 5 dollar item, and one has 50 cents, and one has 2 dollars, and I give them both 3 dollars, clearly I am not treating them both as equals AND individuals in any meaningful sense of the word. If I were treating them as individuals I would give the one with 50 cents 4.50 and the other one 3 dollars. It's pretty simple.
Your right we are forced to make choices but that does not mean it has to be A or B. There can be C,D,E, even not choosing is a choice (funny how that works). Give the two poor people nothing and instead shoot the shit with then for 20 minutes joke around or buy them each their $5 item. Both.
I'm not trying to rag on you, just open your perception and realize there is room for a million shades of grey between black and white.
The former suggestion you made falls into "treating people as individuals" whereas the latter falls into "treating people as equals"
leave it up to the shroomery to try and be super edgy and take a simple question and act like it's below them, like they are far too intellectually advanced for the puny categorical preconceptions it implies. you guys think I am dumb? No, I am not dumb. I am smart enough to realize that just because there are alternative ways of thinking about how to treat people does not mean it's impossible to answer the question, "should people be treated as individuals or as equals?"
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23714443 - 10/06/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Celestial Traveler said: So is the implication that people who feel more than they think will treat people as individuals? Whereas more logical and rational people will respond that they should be treated as equals?
You reasoned that people should be treated as individuals, because when they are treated as equals it can lead to unfair outcomes. To me this sounds like a rational and logical reason for why you share the position that is associated with the "feelers."
I think a lot of personality tests are not as objective as people would like to believe them to be, because there are certain implicit biases such as these.
That is correct. I am "instinctively" an INTP but I can come across as an INFP at times when I voice my opinions.
For example, one of the questions in this category was, "What's more important, Objective Truth or Peace and Harmony?" Thinkers are said to value Objective Truth whereas feelers are said to value Peace and Harmony. I, however, being a thinker, value Peace and Harmony, because I have come to believe that even if objective truths exist, it is virtually impossible for them to be useful unless they are agreed upon, which is impossible without harmony. Harmony comes first and opens the gateway to the possibility for the utilization of objective truth.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714454 - 10/06/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a good point, which to me, supports the idea that these tests are flawed, because they don't allow room for "grey areas", and they have these implicit biases that certain people can only think one way or value one thing for only one reason.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714456 - 10/06/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Individuals.
Treating people as equals implies there is a one size fits all way to treat everybody. Treating people as equals is in fact the way bureaucracy gets things done, and I am sure we have all experienced how frustrating the bureaucratic process can be.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714458 - 10/06/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get it that you probably still want to take the test anyway just for fun, but it seems to me that people get riled up about these tests and argue a lot about them when I don't think it's worth it.
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23714481 - 10/06/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Celestial Traveler said: I get it that you probably still want to take the test anyway just for fun, but it seems to me that people get riled up about these tests and argue a lot about them when I don't think it's worth it.
I actually took it as part of a career test so I am glad I was able to explain to the career counselor in person why I disagreed with some of the conclusions. The MBTI was not a very important component of it
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Re: Should people be treated as equals or as individuals? [Re: morrowasted]
#23714530 - 10/06/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell naw, some people are straight up genetic dead ends. We'd be nothing as a society if we believed in equality and implemented it across the board.
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