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Terrible GERD
    #23713671 - 10/06/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm dying. My GERD is really fucking me up and I can't
keep taking those damn pump inhibitors. Also I have
ulcers in my stomach so there's that too. So far I changed
up a lot of foods but still eat the trash. I am weaning off the
garbage best I can. I been trying a tbsp of apple cider
vinegar mixed with 4oz water every now and then and It has
helped a few times but sometimes makes it worse. Aloe juice
mixed in other fruit juices I have been doing. Two greek
yogurts a day. Any suggestions?


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: myceliups]
    #23713748 - 10/06/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

well if acid is the problem, maybe baking soda? Its alkaline and is safe to ingest as an antacid.

Only just now heard of GERD though :grin:


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: myceliups]
    #23713807 - 10/06/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I had GERD with chronic heartburn and terrible stomach pain for years.

I would lay off the ACV.

REAL ALOE JUICE can be good, but drink it by itself, not with fruit juice - Most store bought fruit juices are just flavored sugar water, which is highly acidic and inflammatory. Also Greek Yogurt is super acidic, especially on an empty stomach. That was one of the first things I had to change when I changed my diet to heal my chronic heartburn.

For acute heartburn baking soda is a great remedy - 1/2 tsp in a small glass of water, stir, then drink. HOWEVER, you do not want to get into the habit of doing this regularly because it is SUPER DUPER high in sodium.

If you are willing to make some radical lifestyle changes, then you can definitely get off the PPI's and heal your gut, but are you willing?


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: yogabunny]
    #23713825 - 10/06/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the informative post, just learned sugar was an inflammatory yesterday.

I'm guessing probiotics wouldn't be a bad idea.


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23713867 - 10/06/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I still take a probiotic first thing in the morning before eating or drinking anything else. Super good for keeping the gut healthy!!!!


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: yogabunny]
    #23714553 - 10/06/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I've been suffering acid reflux for about a year or more now, but I haven't seen anyone about it. Is it something that should require quick attention? It hasn't been so frequent in the past 2-3 months but it still happens.


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
    #23715919 - 10/07/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It is a sign of a highly inflamed and acidic environment in your digestive system - this can cause ulcers and even cancer. Not trying to be a fear monger, but you definitely want to do something about it. Seeing a doctor is an option, but they will most likely put you on a PPI of some sort, which just covers up the symptoms. To truly heal yourself, you will want to make diet and lifestyle changes to eliminate or reduce the acidity and inflammation.

A lot of people don't want to do this, so they opt for the pills.

Personally I was able to completely eliminate acid reflux, heart burn and stomach pain through diet & lifestyle changes.


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: yogabunny]
    #23715932 - 10/07/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Love how they always assume people are incapable of lifestyle changes, they never even bring it up. Doctors I mean


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23716445 - 10/07/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The tide is turning a little bit, but for the most part what they are trained to do is prescribe pharmaceuticals, and Big Pharma does not profit from people healing themselves permanently by changing their diet.

:shrug:

I use doctors for their diagnostic tools and then if possible I treat myself using the knowledge I have acquired over the years. The neurologist I was seeing was so perplexed that I didn't want steroid shots for my neck pain after my scans and x-rays came back normal. :lol:


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: myceliups]
    #23716809 - 10/07/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Go to a doctor and do what he or she says to do.


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23717011 - 10/07/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
Love how they always assume people are incapable of lifestyle changes, they never even bring it up. Doctors I mean




Doc wanted me on prilosec for GERD. Apparently it was discovered  prilosec causes kidney failure.
I never liked the idea of trading the function of one organ for another...



GERD is a fancy way of saying acid reflux. Been dealing with it almost daily for over 10 years. Untreated for about 8 years. It won't kill you but it can lead to bad things or get worse itself if you ignore it for too long.


Change. Your. Diet.
Start plain, eat small amounts of bread and even smaller amounts of meat, start with mostly veggie meals and build your way up. Everyone is unique and everyone has their own triggers. The more food you have in your stomach the more active your stomach juices and the more likely it's going to come up into your esophagus. Eat slow, do not overeat. as you build up / branch back out on your food items you should be able to tell what your stomach doesn't agree with.

I personally can't eat citrus fruit, bananas, or melons. And I cannot eat red meat. I cannot eat a whole lot of bread at once. I limit the amount of meat I eat. I always eat yogurt, an apple, or berries for breakfast. I eat a salad or entirely vegetable meal at least once a week. I also read somewhere not to drink while eating and I've had good results with that (drink after the meal instead.) when it acts up I'll eat some ginger candy or sip peppermint tea and walk around. Sitting or lying down will always make it worse. I think taking a daily walk has helped overall.


If it gets to the like unbearable shit where I'm keeled over and fighting a panic attack I'll take a zantac. Which doesn't happen very often anymore.


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23719117 - 10/08/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Love how they always assume people are incapable of lifestyle changes, they never even bring it up. Doctors I mean




The industry is literally bullshit. I went to like 15 doctors who couldn't find anything wrong with me (or really try) and finally went to a licensed acupuncturist/ND who found out after one visit i had extremely high circulating inflammatory markers and a mold allergy panel that was off the charts. I mean, basic labcorp stuff, nothing sketchy. Sure enough i got sick after moving into this house and my vents are chalk full of mold. But that two year period of waiting to find out, putting my biochem degree to use and actually learning something about health... Wow that was a rude awakening. There is very little happening in health care right now that makes sense. I mean, when you see who the real quacks are... Lmao. Doctors told me my polyneuropathy was in my head or that it was "normal" or that i should take antidepressants :facepalm: It's not that they don't think people will make the lifestyle changes it's that they themselves can literally not make the connection to environment, lifestyle, and health. If you can think along the lines of the interactions between microbiomes and immunity and how all factors play into that dynamic you have a basic roadmap to all degenerative diseases. It's not that hard. The science has been out for decades and in some instances over a century about microbes in cancer, cardiovascular disease, alzheimers, autoimmunity, metabolic syndrome etc. Most doctors are still looking at the body as a machine rather than a dynamic ecosystem and as a result they can only think along the lines of patching it up forcibly. They don't understand the first thing about causality. "High TNF-alpha in RA? KILL IT!" "High cholesterol in cardiovascular disease? LOWER IT!" These are our protective mechanisms against infection. They only have correlative relationships at best, and are mediators of symptoms at worst :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: You should only lower those things through addressing underlying causal factors. Yet no doctor ever admitted to me, even after asking, that a microbe could be causing my illness. I don't know much about GERD, but likewise i would advocate reading into it deeply before taking things like proton pump inhibitors.


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23719155 - 10/08/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"They don't understand the first thing about causality. "High TNF-alpha in RA? KILL IT!" "High cholesterol in cardiovascular disease? LOWER IT!" These are our protective mechanisms against infection. They only have correlative relationships at best, and are mediators of symptoms at worst :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: You should only lower those things through addressing underlying causal factors. Yet no doctor ever admitted to me, even after asking, that a microbe could be causing my illness."

Totally, thats my biggest hangup, they're so obsessed with the germ theory of disease yet all they seem to know to do is "kill it with drugs," when your lifestyle and diet are clearly creating conditions that favor pathogens, so killing them only leaves you with an empty niche to be filled by more pathogens..

Man I was half hoping people would be correcting my bias. Its crazy to me that all these doctors can spend years in medical school and come out stupider than you or me.

I love reading about ancient physicians for this reason, most of them believed in lifestyle/diet and saw drugs/herbs as emergency measures only. Asclepiades of Bithynia is my favorite so far.


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23719186 - 10/08/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

MD's are inconvenienced by having to live in reality not Drug-Forum-Fantasyland


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23719379 - 10/08/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23719467 - 10/08/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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MD's are inconvenienced by having to live in reality not Drug-Forum-Fantasyland




Ha, cute. I'm surely oversimplifying for the sake of discussion, but there is plenty of real science going against a lot of medical practice. The majority of MD's have no ecological conscience what so ever. They are stuck in the world of linear reductionism and miss the forest for the trees continuously. The extent of specialization is a good indication of the flawed nature of conventional medicine as any reasonable healthcare system should be focused on integrating biological systems not isolating them. Furthermore many of them depend on reports and guidelines posted by medical societies, prestigious institutions and government bodies instead of independent academic literature. These are continuously found to have conflicts of interest and this undeniably plays into the slow progression of clinical medicine. I'm by no means trying to attack the MD's that are truly good at what they do. I'm absolutely generalizing, but after being to 15 or so in every field this seems to me to be the rule not the exception and I know many who's experiences were just like mine. I would still go to one for certain things such as diagnostics and trauma medicine, but not for long term management of chronic illnesses. Absolutely not. Believe what you want but there is absolutely dissonance between academic science and medical practice. Should you ever get really sick, at least keep this in the back of your head.

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"They don't understand the first thing about causality. "High TNF-alpha in RA? KILL IT!" "High cholesterol in cardiovascular disease? LOWER IT!" These are our protective mechanisms against infection. They only have correlative relationships at best, and are mediators of symptoms at worst :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: You should only lower those things through addressing underlying causal factors. Yet no doctor ever admitted to me, even after asking, that a microbe could be causing my illness."

Totally, thats my biggest hangup, they're so obsessed with the germ theory of disease yet all they seem to know to do is "kill it with drugs," when your lifestyle and diet are clearly creating conditions that favor pathogens, so killing them only leaves you with an empty niche to be filled by more pathogens..

Man I was half hoping people would be correcting my bias. Its crazy to me that all these doctors can spend years in medical school and come out stupider than you or me.

I love reading about ancient physicians for this reason, most of them believed in lifestyle/diet and saw drugs/herbs as emergency measures only. Asclepiades of Bithynia is my favorite so far.




My experience is that they didn't even have germ theory at all. It was like "you have antibodies attacking your nerves, therefor your immune system must be retarded. We diagnose you with steroid deficiency which we will correct with this prescription. God really does suck at making humans, thank science for doctors!". Lmao, like "I'm presenting with the chronic form of guillaine-barre syndrome, did you read any of the science on molecular mimicry in pathogen immune evasion and how it relates to autoimmune neuropathy? This is literally the clearest case in all of medical literature of a microbe causing a reversible autoimmune reaction and we even have some prime candidates that have been explored in this context including Lyme disease which is the most common vector borne pathogen in the US". And yeah agreed. One of the most interesting things to me are tonic herbs and adaptogens. They are basically food-like herbs that modulate bodily systems in specific yet flexible ways. I'd love to know how that works. It really brings a whole new approach to treatment. If you can take a plant that normalizes anti-tumor immunity without forcing harmful inflammatory pathways you can depend less on the need for cytotoxic chemotherapy. The relationship between plant, microbiome, and human is a really interesting one.


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23719621 - 10/08/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The standard treatment for autoimmune disorders has always bothered me. Immune system suppressants. "The body is attacking itself? Let's further reduce its effectiveness!" :whateveryousayfreak:


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23719938 - 10/08/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
The standard treatment for autoimmune disorders has always bothered me. Immune system suppressants. "The body is attacking itself? Let's further reduce its effectiveness!" :whateveryousayfreak:




It's built on the delusion that it's "overactive". Very few bother to question whether it's simply "active" and then ask why :rolleyes: By all means though, give your patient their Humira, ignore the cause of their illness, and let it progress while you open them up to susceptibility of cancers and other infectious diseases. At least it won't hurt as much in the meantime...


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23719949 - 10/08/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Makes me laugh but then I think about the hordes of people who don't know any better. Especially the elderly


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Re: Terrible GERD [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23720677 - 10/08/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks everyone. Making the changes for sure. Big help.


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