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zsqwax
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Please help me grow
#23713077 - 10/06/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok guys i have been trying to get a white jar for months, i have a PC and liquid paid for spores that are legit. ALL my jars turn a spiderweb gray and all look like this pic im going to try and post. This jar is like over a month old.
Before it wouldfill with shitty green mold but now just Lack of white.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23713307 - 10/06/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What growing?
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zsqwax
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Oyster mushrooms. On popcorn, pressure cooked And jarred with a half inch hole in the lid. Sergical mask cut and permitexd to the lid around hole. Another hole was made for injecton then i also permitex over that.
Jar is showing a light hair in some places and looks like white powder in other. Dont appear to be contamed just not growing well. At all
I was told not much air can get though the mask withthe lid hole only half inch wide ive made 2 new jars with the whole top of the lid made from mask.
Still working on pictures, seems hard to do on this site from a tablet
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23714292 - 10/06/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pics are in the top left hand corner right under your name. Then choose files.
Skip the spores and get a culture. You'll have proven fruiting genetics and still have the enjoyment of expanding it up on grain or popcorn or whatever. Not sure how much experience you have but what you're doing sounds a bit shaky. You probably have some other molds in there...gray is like botrytis (grows on fruit and bud) or rhizopus if I recall...do you see black specks? Pics would help.
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zsqwax
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Trying to post a pick now. Yes it was the specs with cobwebs and some green. Im useing a spore syrenge from ecty its clear liquid with little flakes of shit inside.
What do u suggest i change. Are u saying buy a bag of pre colonized stuff? Im not looking to eat once, but market. Long term im new at this field and ive failed about 50 jars so far with none successful
So i wont question you about canning my entire method if you have a better one.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23716351 - 10/07/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The specks are spores or spore bearing structures call sporangia that the mold is producing. Green is never good. Starting from spores is a long drawn out process and would be best to do on agar. A culture will allow you to produce mushrooms indefinitely with a little bit of knowhow and like I said above, will be guaranteed to fruit.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23717762 - 10/07/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So what is a culture. the syrenge i got was listed as " liquid culture"
is it done diffrently then? I have no idea what im doing right now besides what i have been told. Inject into sterilizeed jars then Put into bags of straw.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/285686831/10cc-white-oyster-mushroom-liquid?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=oyster%20mushroom%20liquid%20culture&ref=sr_gallery_1
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23717989 - 10/07/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, the jar with the hole looks like it should work. Not sure about the surgical mask. If pores are to large it can let contaminates into the jar. Tyvek works as well as polyfill ( synthetic pillow stuffing). The grains needs to be really hydrated but no real visible moisture in the jar. Liquid culture is what MyColorado is talking about and is what you have. Assuming the culture is not contaminated, you have to squirt 1 cc into the jar.i would put half cc on one side and half on opposite side against the glass so you can see it. Mycelium of oysters when it grows reminds me of frost on a window, anything else is likely contam. You will have to use sterile procedure when injecting. This is a process where it is very easy to contaminate .Most work inside a box ( still air box ).
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: Quadman]
#23720940 - 10/08/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just held my breath in, took the needle cap off, flicked with lighter. And injected into the silicone blob, then smeared more jtv over the pearceing
The jars had fully cooled. I didnt see any growth of any kind for almost 2 weeks. Then a bunch of weird offwhite and pure white color mix. So again i tossed it,
Is 100% humidity a Problem when growinv oysters?
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23720972 - 10/08/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have purchased cultures that were contaminated. You really can't tell much by just looking at the syringe. No humidity is not a problem. Grain should be loose and not appear wet after sterilized.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: Quadman]
#23721280 - 10/09/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quadman said: I have purchased cultures that were contaminated. You really can't tell much by just looking at the syringe. No humidity is not a problem. Grain should be loose and not appear wet after sterilized.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: Ferather]
#23723541 - 10/09/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its not the cult. Ive got it from several doffrent People. The more i work the better it looks. I think my other jar dried out.
The new ones are frosting at the bottem and a line down the side. Much faster. And i soaked this grain for twice as long. And its baby popcorn the other was large grain. Was rock hard and powdery coming out of the jar.
So. Water content. The goal is to max the moisture inside the grain? But have it dry outside?
The new jars had a little water at the bottem. But the mycilum seems to have consumed it.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23723803 - 10/09/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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How much reading on the subject have you done? Have you looked into other types of seed or grain like wbs or rye? Popcorn might not be the best choice. I'm also curious what you're planning on doing when you do get a colonized jar?
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A shit load of reading. Its all mixed up answers I watched indians makeing them in africa on a documentery about fighting starvation no suit nobox no pressure cooker. A old barrel and some crappy bellows then hanging them outside under shaded shacks
Then ive seen the full hvac dude spamming alcohol with 5000.00 lab.
So ive actually read to much and have no understanding of how easy they are ruined. Besides me fucking like 50 up.
I started with rye and a 5gallon pot frackjing them Working my way to popcorn and.pressure cookers even switched needles 2 or 3 times no luck.
Im going to buy a pre serialized jar so i at least know what im looking for after it works. Hopefully.
Ive not planned the fŕuit stage. Still focused on this part
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23729549 - 10/11/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So ,last jar failed? How do you know? Did it turn colors? You said it was colonising. Some environments are very unforgiving. Last week in IL the mold count was 12000. Super easy to contaminate verses someone in the southwest dry air. I open air spawn oyster substrate. But take every precaution using agar and inoculating grains.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: Quadman]
#23730223 - 10/12/16 04:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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you saw indians making them in africa huh, East Indians? fighting starvation? i'm confused. I have lived in Ghana and mushrooms are produced with low tek methods, there are 55 gallon drum sterilizers for the sawdust. there are no pressure cookers because they buy their spawn from labs in the capital.
anyways, liquid culture can take some time to show up on grain, should go straight to agar, then agar to grain. that could help. also changing your grain choice.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: anthiawe]
#23733011 - 10/13/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Didnt mean to offend anyone. I seen some dark colord people like u Said. Makeing them with barely nothing. No idea where it was at. A Africa looking place Dry clay looking environment with few big trees. And the dude was translating about mushroom is a Substainable food for cheap.
Anyway. i see white. But its quit growing.
They always seem to stsrt to colinise and stall This one has a 1inch filter hole plenty of air About 2 inches of the jar at bottem is white. But has milk white patches in it
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23734648 - 10/13/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's the temperature where the jars are? Could be too hot or cold for the mycelium to grow (this is probably not the problem).
Also, try boiling your grain or popcorn or whatever for 20min or so. This should hydrate it without the individual grains exploding. If they explode they stick together too much. Drain and load jars then PC for 90 minutes. Once they have cooled to room temp you can inoculate. Make sure you're flaming your needle until red-hot and allowing to cool by expelling some liquid. If you make a still-air-box out of a tub flipped over with a hole cut in it you'll be able to inoculate without as much fear of airborne contaminants falling into your work....open the jar...unscrew and crack open lid to squirt some culture in without touching the sides or lid with needle. Close and be done.
Here's a whole thread on prepping popcorn: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23728451/gonew/1#UNREAD
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you should make some jars lids like this they last forever and cut contamination expenencially also I use wild birdseed for all my spawn Wich if yourinterested I have a super easy prep method i could write up for you?
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Yes please. Im ordering some pre sterilised jars and i will use ur method to knock them up. Hopefully i can get this going
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23736626 - 10/14/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zsqwax said: Yes please. Im ordering some pre sterilised jars and i will use ur method to knock them up. Hopefully i can get this going
your pre sterilized jars will be OK for 1 run then your back to square 1 go buy a bag of wild birds seed, order synthetic filter discs and rvt silicone, plasting jar lids and message me I wI'll teach you my method Wichita once I adopted I have had a total of 2 contaminated jars and thathe was my doing not the lids
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zsqwax said: Yes please. Im ordering some pre sterilised jars and i will use ur method to knock them up. Hopefully i can get this going
your pre sterilized jars will be OK for 1 run then your back to square 1 go buy a bag of wild birds seed, order synthetic filter discs and rvt silicone, plasting jar lids and message me I wI'll teach you my method Wichita once I adopted I have had a total of 2 contaminated jars and thathe was my doing not the lids
Why does he have to pm you to get your method? This is a forum for learning so you might just post it in this thread as he is asking for help. WTF?
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Well I could post it here I just wasn't planning on wasting my time posting it if he didn't want it and it's really simple I simply wash wbs and get rid of floaters cover washed wbs with boiling h20 in a 5 gallon bucket adding 1tbs of gypsum per qt of wbs cover with about 2 inches of water place cover on bucket for 12-24 hours I do 24 drain on a screen with fans pointed at it string every 15 mind unuill I can scoop a hand full of grain and release without any sticking to my hand (the last part is most important) jar cover with the lids I told you about cover with tinfoil and pc and let cool ..... done I've Ben told this method is only good for wbs I'm not sure as it's all I've ever used(I don't take credit for this just a method I came across that works for me) I think it was spitballjedi's wbs tek
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Thanks for the info, PEM!
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23748546 - 10/18/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jar update. Looking good, i think. May have this stage down. How does the fruiting go.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23748974 - 10/18/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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you will have to decide what kind of substrate and container you are going to use. Then figure out a plan for humidity and temperature.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: Quadman]
#23749863 - 10/18/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Umm. Was going to chop, steam, then pour some spawn into the pile of wheat straw and wrap it with cooking wrap and shelf? This sound retarded?
Humidity is 80%-100% year round. Temps are also easily correctable. Normaly 40-90F yearround
Im in need of method. I have a freind with 10x10 storage units i can use for free. And land away from city permits. I can do what i want here. Just need to hone my skills and sell some mushrooms.
Basicly i already have pre built grow rooms just throw in 1 10.00 space heater for winter and there seems to be a fair market here. I have stores who want some just from some facebooking.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23751619 - 10/19/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Glad you're making some progress with your spawn! However, you're light years away from selling mushrooms. I'm not trying to rain on your parade but you need to drastically increase your understanding of mushroom cultivation and actually grow some before offering up your nonexistent product to stores, etc. This board is full of detailed oyster grows...you should be able to find answers to all your questions without having to ask how-to questions at each step. This hobby/business is for the resourceful.
Good luck.
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Yeah but lets not get overly negitive.
Im no clutz. I know about business. Light years is quite inaccurate, more like 6 months. If u have nothing usefull to say on my thread then just stroll on.
Anyone else want to tell me im wrong in posting for help or do we all assume im as dumb as my username and didnt look at other posts first.
I started this thread to not only get help but to log this into the site from start to finish as a mushroom farmer from north carolina.
I need all the helpful advice i can get. Will keep posting updates, James.
The jars are nearly filled do i poke holes when i rebag or wait for the bag to colinise first
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23752141 - 10/19/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not being negative. You have some unrealistic goals and should probably be prepared for some disappointment if you think you're going to be growing and selling mushrooms in six months. You didn't know the difference between spores and culture the other day and had been trying to get a jar to colonize for months without success. I'm all for helping out and sharing information but you have to put something into it. Have you seen or read about anyone pasteurizing straw and then wrapping it in saran wrap after spawning? My guess is no. All you have to do is look up some oyster grows and you'll see that the substrate is typically put into poly tubes, buckets, laundry baskets, etc., depending on the setup. This is what I mean by drastically increase your knowledge of cultivation and for that matter, mycology in general. Have you fixed your jar lids or tried something beside popcorn for your spawn as has been suggested? Again, I'm betting the answer is no. Those 2 things alone will increase your success rate in the spawn department.
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meh, I didn't know what spawn was last March. By August I was producing 20 pounds of oysters a week. Albeit, the 3015 strain would probably grow in a desert. I put a lot of time and energy into the process and learning mycology.
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Sorry bub we will never agree. Yes i will be selling a few in 6 months. A factory hell no But a few. Yes ive tried substrates from coffie to red wheat.
Your so busy applying criticism to my long term goal ur not even helping me on what IM DOING NOW
You dont know who i am or no idea what ive put in it. And clearly dont know a damn thing about what i know. Ive watched every vid and thread i can find. I asked u about a method and u scoffed it.
Did u think i dreamed it out my ass. Of corse i seen it on the internet. And they claimed it worked. Had some kind of ring at the top of the bag
Spores is when you make strains. fuck spores i dont care or need them to grow oysters, i can buy strains and grain to grain them to bulk in a still air box. I can knock up 10 jars for 5 bucks. Do u think farmers invent higher yeild seeds??
Tired of your bashing. help me grow a mushroom or just call me a idiot and kick rocks. Ive read everything i could find untill i was about to give up and I now have a colinized jar as i posted for help. And its not a whim or luck. 2 jars that batch both worked great. My moisture was to dry. Way to dry.
And yes its been months so hello. That implys work right there, and about 300.00 in tools and mats. So. It was not night and day they slowly got better.
I need helpful shit. Not bullshit. Useful micoligy reads?books? Actual class vids. Im not learning shit strolling threads its the same shit over and over.
I need ur help to refine my operation but first i need help starting lets not jump the gun.but yes sir. I have done research and know 5 ways to grow mushrooms, i asked about 1 that sounded best. As u can control batch size.
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Re: Please help me grow [Re: zsqwax]
#23753491 - 10/19/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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