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a. confusa aya questions
    #23713032 - 10/06/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

so, I've been trying to have an experience with ayahuasca for the first time. I've tried it on two separate occasions with failed attempts both times.

using 10 g a. confusa i simmered(ish) in 400 ml water and 2 tbsp lemon juice 3x for 2 hrs ea time.
using 4g syrian rue i simmered(ish) in 400 ml water and 2 tbsp lemon juice 3x for 2hrs ea time
the syrian rue was horrible and it had that greenish tint, like it would glow under a black light. i waited an hour then drank the a. confusa liquid. i MAY have felt a slight something, but i honestly think it was my mind telling myself what i should be feeling.

the second time i did the same brewing procedure, but drank the rue and then 30 minutes later drank the a. confusa, still no effects other than a purge about 30-35 minutes after drinking the confusa brew.

this time im doing 25g of a.confusa in 1000ml of water and 5 tbsp of lemon juice in a crock pot for 3 hrs each time, at the end  i will reduce the liquid and then split the dose.

i will do the same with the syrian rue.

can too much heat destroy the actives(100C(water boiling))
the crockpot is keeping it at just simmering

im not asking for dosage advice but merely as technique advice, i am following a tek off the nexus, but even then there isnt much info on a. confusa and spice. this has actives in it since i have extracted some spice from the same bag of confusa previously.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: numnum59]
    #23713250 - 10/06/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The way i'd do it, is to grind the Rue seed up and encapsulate about 4 to 6 capsules of the Rue. Then, take the dose of Acacia root powder (10 grams should be plenty, heck even 8 should be plenty for good Acacia), put it in a jar, add about 200 to 400mls of room temp bottled water, put the lid on, shake well periodically throughout the day and let it sit over night. Next day filter the liquid off and let it evaporate down to a residue in a dish in front of a fan, once dry, scrape it up and encapsulate it (should be about 2 to 4 capsules depending on the amount of residue and the size of the capsules). Then, take the Rue, 30 minutes later take the Acacia and you should be good to go.

Though you could try encapsulating the Rue, and then about 45 minutes to an hour after drink the Acacia tea. But if you use Rue tea, you might wanna try taking the Acacia about 15 minutes after the Rue.

If you wanna for sure experience it, encapsulation is the way to go ime/imo.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: Sabnock]
    #23713257 - 10/06/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Did u mean 4-6g of rue encapsulated?
And is just shaking the powder in water really enough to extract it?


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: numnum59]
    #23713270 - 10/06/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Did u mean 4-6g of rue encapsulated?
And is just shaking the powder in water really enough to extract it?




4 to 6 capsules, depending on the capsule size, should be about 3 to 4.5 grams of Rue seed powder.

And yes, just shaking the Acacia or Mimosa root powder in room temp water in a jar is definitely enough to extract the alkaloids, no boiling necessary unless you're trying to go for a bulk tea or something. I've made many residues doing this, and they've all worked 100%.

Another thing you can do, is instead of evaporating the Acacia liquid to a residue, you could try diluting it a little bit and freeze/thaw it which will precipitate out the tannins/sediment, and then carefully siphon or pour as much of the liquid away from the sediment as you can, which should leave you with a relatively clean tea dose, but might still contain some tannins depending on how well you're able to siphon/pour the liquid away from the tannins/sediment. But i'd probably recommend the residue first, just so you can have a few experiences.

Heck, when i first started out in 2012, i was ingesting ground Rue seed and Mimosa root powder in capsules, which definitely worked but man it was rough on the stomach, now i use Mimosa or Acacia residues though until i get my tea making skills down.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: Sabnock]
    #23713292 - 10/06/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Any alternatives to encapsulating i.e. Parachuting... I really dont wanna drop a bunch of cash on capsules i might only use once. The ones that i saw local were 30$ a bag.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: numnum59]
    #23713358 - 10/06/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I use about 25 grams and boil it 3 times and then boil it down with egg whites I use 2 egg whites because they absorb the stuff that makes you vomit. Also you can just eat rue with lemonade to get a good effect I just put a spoon of rue on my tong and swallow it with a gulp of pink lemonade or orange juice. I hate the taste of aya though it's really strong I was thinking next time I might just do an extraction and use vinegar to convert it to DMT acetate then put it in capsules so I don't have to take shots of aya it always makes me want to vomit from the taste. Last time I threw up within 6 minutes so I had no effect. I would recommend making freebase DMT crystals and dissolve it in white vinegar then dry it out to get DMT acatrate which will work with a MAOI taken 20 minutes beforehand.

I really can't find a decent way to mask the flavor of aya it's to nasty to take more than 50ml and even 50 ml is hard to take I really want pure DMT acatrate capsules or you could use HCL or sulfuric acid. Plus I think there is a version called DMT fumrate wich might be better than the other versions because I think the strong acids turn it into a goo that would be hard to put in pill capsules. I don't think you will have to purge from pure stuff and with the egg white boil I have only thrown up from my last brew which was 75 grams boiled down to 150 ml I only got like 75ml down before vomiting profusely Wichita was 6 minutes after consuming. It gave me a mild stoning effect but I didn't have it down long enough to get the visions I had from 25 grams.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: numnum59]
    #23713525 - 10/06/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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numnum59 said:
Any alternatives to encapsulating i.e. Parachuting... I really dont wanna drop a bunch of cash on capsules i might only use once. The ones that i saw local were 30$ a bag.




Why not just find some sort of cheap supplement where you can empty out the capsules and fill em' up with the plants? Also might wanna find something to pack the powder/residue into the capsules, i use a phillips drill bit and use the side that goes into the drill, it fits the capsules perfectly and helps to pack the powder down so you don't have to use a lot of capsules. Definitely don't need to spend 30$ on a bag of empty capsules. But i'd imagine you could parachute it, dunno how it'd taste though.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: Wu-tang]
    #23713543 - 10/06/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I use about 25 grams and boil it 3 times and then boil it down with egg whites I use 2 egg whites because they absorb the stuff that makes you vomit.




25 grams of good Acacia root is definitely too much man, 6 to 10 grams is a proper dosage, anything over 10 is just wasteful ime/imo. Also while the egg white thing does work, i've found it to reduce potency, which might be why you use 25 grams, i know i had to end up using about 15 to 20 grams when i made egg white cleansed teas, yet when doing Acacia residue 8 grams was too strong. Also if you over-do the Acacia or Mimosa dose, you'll probably vomit no matter how clean the tea is, ime. But most of the nausea/vomiting comes from the Harmalas, which goes away if you build up the Harmala reverse tolerance. The tannins in Acacia and Mimosa do contribute to nausea, but definitely doesn't cause it since i've taken them with Moclobemide instead of Harmalas/Rue and didn't really experience any nausea, but i think i did experience a bit of gut pain a few times.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: Sabnock]
    #23713614 - 10/06/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Instead of using a fan to dry it what do u think about double boiling?


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: numnum59]
    #23713756 - 10/06/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Instead of using a fan to dry it what do u think about double boiling?




Not sure, i mean i imagine it might work fine as long as you don't get things too hot or burn it. I've read you could also perhaps put it in the oven with the door cracked open and evaporate it that way, once again just make sure you don't burn it. If it were me, i'd stick with evaporation since it usually only takes about a day or two, but i could see perhaps reducing the liquid a little bit at a low temp on the stove or something and once the liquid is a small amount then evaporate it the rest of the way in front of a fan.

But ime, boiling the liquid and evaporating it down to a residue, tends to make for a residue that's harder to scrape, at least ime, it could be different for you i guess, but the residue from simply evaporating it is usually pretty easy to scrape up and looks lovely, though some areas might be a bit thicker so it takes a little more effort to scrape, but for the most part it scrapes up nicely/easily.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: Sabnock]
    #23714065 - 10/06/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Im going to try your easy method as well got enough to experiment with so why not.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: numnum59]
    #23714095 - 10/06/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Word. Let us know how it goes.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: Sabnock]
    #23714194 - 10/06/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Im going to try my tea first since it will be done first. Ill do my 4g of rue tea and then do half of the acacia tea ~12.5g
Using the crockpot to reduce it is working nicely . Ive read reports said of taking the acacia 30m to 1 hr however you suggested 15 m after.

Should i take the acacia before i feel the effects or right when i feel them.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: numnum59]
    #23714241 - 10/06/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah i've noticed that Harmalas/Rue in tea form might require a different timing compared to capsules of Rue seed powder or extract. 30/45 minutes to an hour seems to be good for Rue capsules (if you're drinking the Acacia or Mimosa, where for Acacia or Mimosa residue capsules seems to be good at around 30 to 45 minutes), whereas if 30 minutes doesn't seem to do it for the Rue tea, then 15 minutes should be enough time for the Harmalas/Rue to get into the gut and inhibit MAO-A allowing the DMT to be active. If i'm not mistaken the amount of time MAO-A is inhibited by Harmalas in tea form can be a bit shorter compared to capsules.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: numnum59]
    #23714273 - 10/06/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I like to do 20 minutes exactly but once you feel dizzy or lightheaded your good to go. I really like aya it's pretty powerful I had a trip where I thought I was a leopard running through the jungle it was pretty dope I also found a big rock with wierd symbols all over it it was a strange trip. The only trip stronger than aya was my 4 grams of shrooms combined with 3 grams of rue I couldn't walk and had a moment where I thought I was the earth spinning around and around. I also saw acient looking gods that kinda raped my brain it was so overwhelming and there was no control I thought I whent over the edge because it blew aya out of the water it was full blown insanity. I loved all of until I got out of body when I was out of body it felt really uncomfortable and I thought for sure I would never be the same person it changed me in a way. I thought I had died at one point because I was seeing earth spinning and I thought it was me being reincarnated I thought I was dead. I tripped so hard when I woke up my room had a smell to it like the smell of complete mental domination I swear it lingered there for months like the smell of sweaty sex but much stronger. Idk I think it was the shrooms making me sweat but it reached in a strange way. Aya is nothing compared to mushrooms and rue I really liked it but it requires complete submission to the drug and it's insanity times a hundred.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: Wu-tang]
    #23723407 - 10/09/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

so this time i definitely felt *something* i laid on the couch and listened to native american ceremonial music. i had *some* CEVs and alot of thoughts in my head constantly changing my train of thought. when i finally opened my eyes i had tracers(maybe not the right word) like out of my peripherals lines were coming off of images. nothing like blasting off with deemsters though. body load wise i just felt kinda drunk and uncoordinated, however i had a very clear mind.

i'm thinking of brewing 4g of rue and 12 g of acacia together in a crockpot for a few hours, similar to traditional brews.  not sure.

i didn't purge until about 1.5 hrs into it or so, so i definitely held it down long enough.


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Re: a. confusa aya questions [Re: numnum59]
    #23723935 - 10/09/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If the Acacia was activated, you would've felt it for sure. You can try brewing them together, but imo you'd have less of a chance getting the Acacia to activate brewing it and the Rue together than you would by separating them, as separating them allows the Acacia to be fully activated as long as the timing is right. There's a few factors that determines if it works right or not, timing, dosage, brewing skill, and digestion. If your digestion is good and moving forward, the timing between the Rue and the Acacia is good, the dosage of both plants is good, and you've brewed it successfully, then it should definitely work.

Sounds like you felt the Rue for sure, as that's what makes you feel kinda drunk, but when Acacia starts kicking in, you should definitely know it.

Perhaps try encapsulating the ground Rue seed, and then around 45 minutes drink the Acacia. I think that should solve your issue, unless the Acacia tea is weak, in which case try the residue capsules.


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