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Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving?
#23713021 - 10/06/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard Ontario is soon going to make stoned driving as bad as drunk driving and im wondering if this is fair. I really dont believe we should consider these substances to be equally impairing.
my point is that i am stoned muktiple times a day and am able to function through-out the day very well and perform complex tasks that require massive hand-eye co-ordination i spend most of my day hitting a bowl and then going up stairs to practice perfecting the hardest piece written for the piano "La Campanella"
Now if i can hit a bowl and then play la campanella perfectly then can you really tell me that i am impaired in any significant way? I agree that if you have no tolerance and smoke weed you shouldnt drive. but i also agree that if you have no tolerance and smoke a cigarette you shouldnt drive cuz that gets you pretty high too.
but someone with a heavy weed tolerance who pretty much sobers up completely after 15 minutes of smoking, should these people really be considered dangerous on the road.
I am unable to play la campanella drunk because that actually effects my hand eye co-ordination. weed does not seem to if i have a tolerance.
i think our government should really develop a better system than just generalizing that if you take anything that isnt cigarettes or caffeine then you are impaired and are going to jail.
what do you guys think?
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 2
#23713037 - 10/06/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think unless you are a medical patient it should be punished. Driving while intoxicated is dangerous, alcohol is worse but people still shouldn't drive impaired anyways.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: TNK]
#23713045 - 10/06/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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why would medical patients get off free? they are not any less impaired.
my point is that if you have such a high tolerance that weed doesnt do much more than a cigarette then does it really need to be such a big deal.
we still let people drive if they have had one beer or so and have a G license.
one beer gets me much more intoxicated than smoking weed.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: TNK] 4
#23713073 - 10/06/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said: I think unless you are a medical patient it should be punished.
That's just silly.
Either it impairs your driving, or it does not. Some places where it is legal have LE saying that it does indeed impair driving. Some studies say the same. And other studies say that it does not. So it's a pretty indefinite thing at the moment.
Not to mention that testing methods aren't 100% yet.
I don't think you'll see it resolved in time though. It'll be decades before driving laws really incorporate marijuana and other drugs as different substances with independent driving laws attached. And before that happens, self driving vehicles will start dominating roads. I'd expect laws to change with self driving car laws, not with marijuana legalization.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713083 - 10/06/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The same logic applies to drunk driving.
Hard core alcoholics can drink a ton and function just fine due to tolerance. Moreover, in the US, intoxication limits are pretty darn low (a few drinks, perhaps).
The degree of impairment for a DWI could be argued to be similar to MJ.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713086 - 10/06/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think its complicated and has to do with tolerance.
no tolerance weed smoking and tolerance weed smoking should be considered completely different drugs and impairments in my opinion.
i cant get to the level of high that i get with little to no tolerance it just wont happen.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: badchad]
#23713087 - 10/06/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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badchad said: The same logic applies to drunk driving.
Hard core alcoholics can drink a ton and function just fine due to tolerance. Moreover, in the US, intoxication limits are pretty darn low (a few drinks, perhaps).
The degree of impairment for a DWI could be argued to be similar to MJ.
thats a good point. Shouldnt a roadside test be the ultimate test of impairment?
im sure sleep deprivation is quite impairing aswell.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23713095 - 10/06/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it is still bad to drive while high, but compared to alcohol it's like ten thousands times better than driving while drunk. At least when ure high u can still make conscious decisions and pull over if u don't feel safe driving, whereas a drunk driver won't even admit he is driving horribly.
Sure it is possible to drive extremely well while stoned out of ur mind, but it still takes a lot of practice and many peeps won't be able to pull it off, so there isnt much say in the matter..
But driving stoned vs driving drunk, a thousand times I choose driving stoned.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713097 - 10/06/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: no tolerance weed smoking and tolerance weed smoking should be consider completely different drugs and impairments in my opinion.
There are some things you just can't legislate. 
How would you quantify someone's tolerance? Taking samples from their kidneys to see what kind of enzyme production it goes through? Taking their word for it? It would also encourage habitual marijuana use, as no one would want to lose their beloved tolerance.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23713099 - 10/06/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats a good point. Shouldnt a roadside test be the ultimate test of impairment?
Perhaps. The problem is that driving is such a complex behavior, it's nearly impossible to simulate with a roadside test, or even a laboratory test.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713102 - 10/06/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, i think the generalization is pretty gay. i hope at least they will be somewhat fair and not just bust people for even having it in their bloodstream
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713124 - 10/06/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not exactly sure what the laws on driving while high are, they differ pretty widely in all areas. I'm sure some have it the same as driving drunk, and some even worse so.
I think the best way to regulate it would be to put it in the same category as prescription drugs though. Like people who catch a charge for driving while on a lot of ambien and then get pulled over because it's pretty obvious they are impaired. A DWAI in a lot of states.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713131 - 10/06/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i wonder if there is a specific time frame of when you smoked and when you can legally drive again. i read somewhere that since canada has plans to legalize it they will have to figure that out.
Its a complex issue and i really hope they put at least some study into their decisions.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713139 - 10/06/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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One thing I wish every place would do is make it a requirement for car manufacturers to put drunk driving detectors in new cars, or even make them mandatory installments. Would save millions of lives, prevent millions of DUIs, and make a lot of people late for work. 
Edit: I'm not talking a breathalyzer in every car, I'm thinking more along the lines of alcohol sensors in the driving wheel.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713152 - 10/06/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah that would be a good idea.
I still think there is a difference between tolerance intoxication from alcohol versus tolerance intoxication from weed.
because heavy tolerance or not, if you keep drinking you WILL die of alcohol poisoning but if you keep smoking weed... well you know the stoner rhetoric on that one
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713169 - 10/06/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's way better than driving drunk, but it still impairs your abilities. I don't think the punishment should be the same, but make no mistake driving while high is dangerous and a bad idea. You could hurt not just yourself, but other people. If you feel like you drive 100% okay stoned, that makes me even more concerned because you're not even aware of the ways in which you're impaired.
Don't drive stoned. You are impaired whether you feel like it or not, and you could injure other people. But yeah, it should have a lesser punishment, but that is probably never going to happen.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713181 - 10/06/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It should be punished but not as severely as driving drunk imo, or have it scaled to levels of intoxication -like driving under a heavy dose of edibles would surely be just as bad as driving drunk.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: nooneman]
#23713188 - 10/06/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i agree, i just feel like there needs to be levels of punishment based on how impaired you are.
If you smoked nothing more than what 1 beer would do to you then it shouldnt be such a huge deal, or if you smoked like 4 hours ago or something.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: nooneman]
#23713213 - 10/06/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it should be based on appearance more than anything else, for example if someone gets pulled over for having a broken taillight, but then the officer suspects them of being high and wants to do a swap, then that's definitely not ok. But suppose one were to get pulled over for speeding and turns out their whole car smelled of marijuana and they were obviously high off their rocker, then their destiny is left to the officers..
What I'm tying to say is that it shouldnt be enforced like alcohol, but more like a sleepy driver, make them park on the side of the road to sleep it off or something..
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Ezuma] 2
#23713222 - 10/06/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dangerous driving should and is prosecuted. I see people serving across the road and driving dangerously, even crashing, and I don't care what's in their system. They showed a lapse in bloody judgement and that's what's caused the problem, not what they're on.
Now, certain substances are always going to fuck peoples coordination and judgement up, and that's why if you take them, make sure you have a caretaker. There's certain drugs I wouldn't do on my own for that reason.
I did an experiment when I felt, in my estimation, I was way too high to drive. I played euro truck simulator. I was fine, didn't crash (didn't even nudge crash ramps which I usually do sober on tight corners in that game) I just didn't feel like going as fast as the speed limit.
Some people who are way too fucked just think "yeah I'll be fine" and they are fucking wrong. Not naming names, but my mate was drunk and stoned, I was stoned, and he said he was going to drive. I drove instead, despite his protests. Was in a field, 3am, raining, so just staying out wasn't an option.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: zZZz]
#23713236 - 10/06/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah because if your driving is clean and no obvious mistakes but you just had a light out and they test you for it out of nowhere that would be super gay.
i can see it happening. them just trying to increase the odds of them getting to rip money off people and make peoples life miserable.
all they have to do is look up the statistics of how many people are potentially driving high and then just test everyone they come across. thats should be illegal
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: zZZz]
#23713240 - 10/06/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zZZz said: I think it should be based on appearance more than anything else
True, if you're hot looking you shouldn't have to be getting legal charges. Laws are for ugly people.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713242 - 10/06/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Laws are for ugly people.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713244 - 10/06/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: zZZz] 1
#23713280 - 10/06/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think there have been tests done on this that showed stoned people are not nearly as apt to be in accidents as alcohol impaired drivers. For one thing...Stoned drivers usually decrease their speed vs. alcohol impaired increase their speed.
Some of the standards for weed intoxication that I have heard thrown around are 5 nanograms/ liter of blood. Some of the test subjects drove just fine with much higher concentrations than that mostly due to tolerance, like someone else said.
Bottom line is states are already starting to lick their chops with all the revenue that can come from these new DUI's. I have a friend in Pa. that got pulled over with no alcohol in her at all...cop said she had a brown tongue so they arrested her and drew blood to find a negligible amount of THC in her and her arrest held up in court...She got a guilty verdict and is now udergoing all the bullshit classes and fines plus probation. AND she has a DUI conviction on her record.
I also have a nephew that is a Pa. state cop and he says they train their ranks to be able to spot suggestions of several drug uses and arrest them if they feel like they are on particular drugs like weed, benzos, opiates...etc. It's fucked up...especially that brown tongue thing.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23713324 - 10/06/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I actually drive better when I'm stoned. If I am not stoned I am stricken with road rage. A tiny bit of weed and it's all smooth sailing.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: badchad] 1
#23713333 - 10/06/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said:
thats a good point. Shouldnt a roadside test be the ultimate test of impairment?
Perhaps. The problem is that driving is such a complex behavior, it's nearly impossible to simulate with a roadside test, or even a laboratory test.
plus the confounding factor that DUIs are cash cows for police departments. If they pull you over at 2am they want to find you intoxicated, and anything they see will be evidence of intoxication. I wonder what percentage are straight up lying, and what percentage are just seeing what they want to see.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23713374 - 10/06/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i play piano better when im stoned. not sure why
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Hippocampus] 2
#23713385 - 10/06/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only thing about weed is how do u determine impairment? From what I understand oral swabs show positive if you smoked within 12 hours. And longer for blood and urine. I dunno about you guys but I have to eat and smoke alot of herb to be stoned for 12 hours.
I believe people should be charged with DWI if they are impaired and driving recklessly. Absolutely. But determining and proving that is another matter.
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#23713389 - 10/06/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: i play piano better when im stoned. not sure why
And I play video games better when I'm stoned.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23713407 - 10/06/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're just as impaired as someone who has been drinking then yes, you should be punished just as severely as someone who is drinking and driving. The only thing is how do you prove that... It's one thing to risk your own life because you're doing so willingly but people who you share the road with, who aren't impaired, shouldn't pay the consequences because you decided to be an inconsiderate POS.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bigfeely123] 1
#23713416 - 10/06/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Compared to me most sober people deserve severe punishment for the way they drive.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23713432 - 10/06/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23713446 - 10/06/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha. Can't argue with that. Some people suck at driving.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23713536 - 10/06/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Compared to me most sober people deserve severe punishment for the way they drive.
If there was such a thing as an impairment-o-meter that gave you a reading against a set base level of competancy. Most people would be banned.
The mother that's been up all night feeding and changing the new borns nappies, or the geezer that's just stormed out of the house to get away from 'her indoors' latest bout of pmt, would both likely fail the test.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713594 - 10/06/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think this is going to backfire spectacularly and ruin a lot of lives because marijuana metabolites float around for weeks afterwards and thats literally all they test for. "Hey buddy looks like you smoked weed 23 days ago, thats a DWI. Good luck in court!"
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23713703 - 10/06/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I think this is going to backfire spectacularly and ruin a lot of lives because marijuana metabolites float around for weeks afterwards and thats literally all they test for. "Hey buddy looks like you smoked weed 23 days ago, thats a DWI. Good luck in court!"
I read some article awhile back about canadian legalization and i think it said that they were going to account for that somehow. Hope that wasnt just a lie
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713757 - 10/06/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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driving drunk is really fucked up. I think drunk drivers should get a few years in jail even if they dont kill anyone.
But weed is not as impairing as alcohol. Maybe it should be punnished, idk but it certainly shouldnt be punnished as harshly as driving under the influence of alcohol.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23713780 - 10/06/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah alcohol effects your motor control and impairs your vision. Ive been around heavy alcoholics and no matter what tolerance they have they still get piss drunk to the point where they are clearly impaired. I dont think stoners with a tolerance will ever show any of those signs
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 3
#23713785 - 10/06/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've said it before in other threads, but I'll say it again. Instead of testing for drug levels we need to be looking for ways to more objectively measure coordination and reaction times. With so many different drugs, and with everyone from occasional to heavy users there is no way we can make fair substance level tests.
Imagine a driving simulator that you use when you get a license. You have to have some minimum skill level. The program also collects some personal baseline info, so it knows how you normally perform.
Then when someone gets pulled over and the police suspect intoxication they can sit someone in the passenger seat and use a portable version of the simulator to run a quick skill tests. This way it makes no difference what a person is using. The test simply look for impairment.
Obviously the system would have to be set up and tuned to work well, but I'm sure it could be done. It would obviously not be perfect, but it probably be far more fair than using drug levels to determine impairment.
Of course our justice system isn't really about protecting people. It is all about $$$$. DUIs are big money makes for the courts and lawyers. People get straight up raked over the coals for a few digits over. Plus it makes no difference if someone is on an empty rural road on a motorcycle with a speed limit of 30 a mile from home, or on a high speed road in a giant truck with heavy traffic. One point over and it is $$$$$$$$.
The law should really have a public safety mindset and not just be out there fucking over people trying to generate revenue. Plus, I'd rather have a little more intoxicated drivers out there, then see people being raked over the coals for having a extra point on some arbitrary scale. Lots of decent people get screwed over DUIs.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23713795 - 10/06/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What if someone who doesn't smoke often gets behind the wheel stoned? In that case I think it can be just as impairing as alcohol. I know for me after long breaks the first time smoking almost feels mushrooms or lsd. Not necessarily the visual aspects but the mental part and I've been smoking for nearly 10 years.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713797 - 10/06/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The thing I don't like about DUID laws for any drug is that they are based on arbitrary numbers. Sometimes people test right at the limit (.08 for example) and then they're at the mercy of the officer they encountered for favorable treatment and selective enforcement.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23713798 - 10/06/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes its quite clear this system isnt set up to be objective and fair, its set up to make the most profit possible
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bigfeely123]
#23713841 - 10/06/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bigfeely123 said: What if someone who doesn't smoke often gets behind the wheel stoned? In that case I think it can be just as impairing as alcohol. I know for me after long breaks the first time smoking almost feels mushrooms or lsd. Not necessarily the visual aspects but the mental part and I've been smoking for nearly 10 years.
Unless you turn into a blubbering mess that cant even handle getting off the couch thats doubtful. I've done the same after 3 years without smoking. It doesnt impair reaction times and motor control, and thats what gets people killed when drunks hope behind the wheel
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23713893 - 10/06/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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But it does impair reaction times. Especially in people like me who already have coordination/processing issues. I mean if I'm doing what I've done a million times before I'm fine but if a deer jumped in front of my car I can't say I'd react in time to swerve away from it, or if I'd have the same presence of mind to know there's a car in the other lane I'd swerve into.
Different drugs effect people differently. It's not just alcoholics that can drink 8 beers and be fine on the road. But plenty of other people would have impaired judgement and reaction times enough to get into trouble. There's a reason the blood alcohol limit is so low, it's not about being wasted and blacking out and hitting someone, there are all kinds of random variables on the road that make any level of impairment dangerous.
But on that note I wish people would stop fucking with their phones while they're driving. Especially these smartphones. Old school cell phones you could dial and even text without ever taking your eyes off the road. You have to look at a smartphone to use it. I imagine I've seen many many more people do dangerous shit fucking with a phone or something else than on any drug or alcohol.
And I think people should get driving tests every decade or something. All these little variables that pop up and people don't know how to behave. State law: if you're using your wipers your lights have to be on. If there's road workers or EMT on the shoulder move over to the next lane. But I see people all the time like HURRRRR DURRRRR and speed by a cop on the shoulder without their lights on in the pouring rain while texting someone (which is also illegal here). By no means is a stoner the person I worry about most on the road. It's idiots.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 2
#23713897 - 10/06/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pot is not as bad as alcohol, but it does change your response time and makes it harder to track multiple hazards.
I will say this, pot users demanding that they be allowed to drive while high is going to be the biggest hurdle to legalization in the future. If you want legal pot, you're just going to have to accept that you won't be allowed to drive on it. Because there is no way to reliably test someone's level of impairment, the law is going to have to be very broad. you're just not going to be allowed to drive if you've used pot in the past 6 hours of so.
It's going to take years to get the dataset required to scientifically examine the impact of marijuana legalization on traffic safety. Until that time, pot users are going to have to accept that in return for legal use, society is going to want an abundance of caution when it comes to public safety.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23713908 - 10/06/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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But it's really really hard to make laws that say: Don't be an idiot on the road. Know if marijuana may impair you, don't drive. If you have a low alcohol tolerance, don't drink. Don't text if you don't have a phone with buttons that you can use blindly. If you're too tired to think clearly, don't drive.
That's why we have laws banning these things. Because a lot of people think whatever they're doing is fine. I can't tell you how many times I've taken issue with someone doing any of these things while driving. And they think they're full aware and prepared to handle the road when I can tell they obviously are not. The situation on the road can change in seconds.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: koods]
#23713922 - 10/06/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Pot is not as bad as alcohol, but it does change your response time and makes it harder to track multiple hazards.
I will say this, pot users demanding that they be allowed to drive while high is going to be the biggest hurdle to legalization in the future. If you want legal pot, you're just going to have to accept that you won't be allowed to drive on it. Because there is no way to reliably test someone's level of impairment, the law is going to have to be very broad. you're just not going to be allowed to drive if you've used pot in the past 6 hours of so.
I know how bad the government is for spoofing studies when it comes to cannabis. Wheres the source for this? Theres been a few studies I've come across where the effect of pot was negligible.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23713926 - 10/06/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: But on that note I wish people would stop fucking with their phones while they're driving. Especially these smartphones. Old school cell phones you could dial and even text without ever taking your eyes off the road. You have to look at a smartphone to use it. I imagine I've seen many many more people do dangerous shit fucking with a phone or something else than on any drug or alcohol.
They've just upped the penalty here for this, it's become that much of a problem. As a biker (and so passing many more cars when filtering than a driver does) I can vouch for just how many people are doing it, and how dangerous it is.
Fuck, even pedestrians are crashing into things/each other cause of smartphones. Fucking tragic.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23713932 - 10/06/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't makes laws to address everyone's idiosyncratic response to drugs. Laws are written based on statistical averages and legal limits can't have wiggle room. Everyone plays by the same rules.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: koods]
#23713943 - 10/06/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know. For once I did not intend any sarcasm.
I think people should know themselves and be able to be responsible for themselves. But the sad simple truth is that they aren't.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23713944 - 10/06/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Pot is not as bad as alcohol, but it does change your response time and makes it harder to track multiple hazards.
I will say this, pot users demanding that they be allowed to drive while high is going to be the biggest hurdle to legalization in the future. If you want legal pot, you're just going to have to accept that you won't be allowed to drive on it. Because there is no way to reliably test someone's level of impairment, the law is going to have to be very broad. you're just not going to be allowed to drive if you've used pot in the past 6 hours of so.
I know how bad the government is for spoofing studies when it comes to cannabis. Wheres the source for this? Theres been a few studies I've come across where the effect of pot was negligible.
There just isn't very much data. There aren't very many studies because it is very hard to do research with schedule 1 substances. I think we will have to wait to see how pot legalization affects driving statistics.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: koods]
#23713958 - 10/06/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theres plenty of data out there already. This has been more or less been throughly studied and the results were inconclusive in nearly every research bid they attempted. In response to the slight impairment cannabis gives inexperienced users they react by driving more cautiously and attentively. Its literally harmless. Besides, the idea that I could get a DUI for smoking weed the night before, or even hours before I actually drive seems like more senseless witch hunting and just bad policy.
I award the opposing viewpoint no points and will continue to rip fat bowls and roll joints as I drive, regardless of consequence.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23713970 - 10/06/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm just saying when the average person is thinking about legalization, their first concern is often how that is going to affect safety on the roads. If they hear users saying theyre going to be doing bong rips on the highway, they aren't going to support legalization.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: koods]
#23713976 - 10/06/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah, duly noted. Given the context this is really the only place I'd voice this. In a more normalized public setting I'd definitely be focusing on the injustice in the tests inaccuracy.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: koods]
#23713981 - 10/06/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Pot is not as bad as alcohol, but it does change your response time and makes it harder to track multiple hazards.
I will say this, pot users demanding that they be allowed to drive while high is going to be the biggest hurdle to legalization in the future. If you want legal pot, you're just going to have to accept that you won't be allowed to drive on it. Because there is no way to reliably test someone's level of impairment, the law is going to have to be very broad. you're just not going to be allowed to drive if you've used pot in the past 6 hours of so.
It's going to take years to get the dataset required to scientifically examine the impact of marijuana legalization on traffic safety. Until that time, pot users are going to have to accept that in return for legal use, society is going to want an abundance of caution when it comes to public safety.
you could say the same with any number of prescription and non-prescription drugs that people legally drive on. I'm not saying everyone should be allowed to drive stoned. Some people shouldn't be allowed to drive period.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23714002 - 10/06/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is undeniable that fatal car crashes have increased in both Washington and Colorado since legalization. The reasons need to be investigated.
http://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Prevalence-of-Marijuana-Involvement-Report-FINAL.pdf
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23714020 - 10/06/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the end it's going to come down to legality, peeps are gonna crack down on whom ever they feel like cracking down on, it's not to say that there will be a witch hunt, but in the case u ever decide to call urself a witch, or u crash ur broom stick on the side of the road or something, or if decide to go after witch hunters, then u will be hunted down.. Case closed..
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: koods] 2
#23714023 - 10/06/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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When self driving cars become the norm, society as we know it will completely collapse from alcoholism.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: koods] 1
#23714026 - 10/06/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That could easily by tied to a general increase in use and the long half life of these metabolites. Which is why its hard to point the finger at marijuana in any of these crashes. they would still test positive if they were stone cold sober at the time of the accident. The test is a useless life ruining invention on the same level as those drug reagent test kits. I dont know if you noticed but they kind of left out any change in frequency of fatal car crashes, if there was any significant change, which I doubt it, that would be more of an indicator of its impact on drivers then "well it looks like he got high in the last 48 hours".
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23714071 - 10/06/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got my first dui in Alaska where it was practically legal. I token up before going to the state Fair. Ate many delicious treats. The cop had such a fucking hard on when he breathalyzed me but i hadn't been drinking.
Then I got taken to the hospital and threatened if you don't give us blood we will hold you down and take it. I'd imagine it's a lot what rape feels like.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23714089 - 10/06/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Drugged driving is the same as drinking in my state. I have driven thousands and thousands of miles smoking weed. Got into accidents when not smoking. Drove from Oregon to the Far East of the mid west smoking an 1/4 over the three days drive. Didn't see a cop the whole way. Used to take drives in the country just to blaze. I don't like a lot of traffic driving stoned, or bright lights at night, or not knowing the roads. Thing about weed is you start to come down fairly quickly, about an hour or less.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23714507 - 10/06/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I got my first dui in Alaska where it was practically legal. I token up before going to the state Fair. Ate many delicious treats. The cop had such a fucking hard on when he breathalyzed me but i hadn't been drinking.
Then I got taken to the hospital and threatened if you don't give us blood we will hold you down and take it. I'd imagine it's a lot what rape feels like. 
What'd he pull you over for? I need deets.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23714521 - 10/06/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah im curious about that too.
also i was wondering... If you show zero signs of marijuana impairment (driving is flawless) as well as no smell and no "brown Tongue" whatever the fuck that means, and they still pull you over then can they legally give you a THC test with no probable cause?
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23715000 - 10/07/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Driving while intoxicated is pretty fucked up. Maybe your not risking someones life because your such a good driver. What about other people?
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23715562 - 10/07/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ever since I was a wee teenager I've been driving "high" and it's just a fact it doesn't impair you the way alcohol would.... In fact, it makes me more alert and my pain taken away so I can be a better driver.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23715698 - 10/07/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: my point is that i am stoned muktiple times a day and am able to function through-out the day very well and perform complex tasks that require massive hand-eye co-ordination
it's funny but drunks say the same thing, many even claim they drive better when they're drunk
I bet you're stoned now seeing as how you cant perform a simple task like spelling "multiple"
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23715766 - 10/07/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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And u seem pretty drunk cuz u cant figure out im using my phone which is a touchscreen and of course u missed the fact the L is right next to the k.
That was a pretty weak argument.
Seems your urge to put people down gets in the way of your ability to examine things rationally and with reason. How unfortunate.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23715806 - 10/07/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The real danger of driving impaired is obviously not that you may get pulled over but that you would hurt someone, and get put away for decades. If you hurt someone while driving drunk or stoned then don't expect to receive much sympathy from the judge. Should it be that way? I would have to say yes given the multitude of things that can get you intoxicated, even prescription drugs, that it makes little sense to make an exception for pot.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23715830 - 10/07/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: And u seem pretty drunk cuz u cant figure out im using my phone which is a touchscreen and of course u missed the fact the L is right next to the k.
That was a pretty weak argument.
Seems your urge to put people down gets in the way of your ability to examine things rationally and with reason. How unfortunate.
please, tell us how driving while stoned is much safer than driving sober
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23715841 - 10/07/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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when the fuck did i say that. thats just a bullshit strawman argument.
When you want to have a reasonable discussion then we will talk.
the only point of this thread was to ask if we should punish impairment based on how impaired you are not just "if its in your system after 20 days"
its quite obvious you didnt even read this thread and you just came here to troll.
why you are a moderator is beyond me.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: 28064212]
#23715849 - 10/07/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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28064212 said: Ever since I was a wee teenager I've been driving "high" and it's just a fact it doesn't impair you the way alcohol would.... In fact, it makes me more alert and my pain taken away so I can be a better driver.
Said every drunk/stoner. What a crock of shit if you ask me.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23715865 - 10/07/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: when the fuck did i say that. thats just a bullshit strawman argument.
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SleepyE said: my point is that i am stoned muktiple times a day and am able to function through-out the day very well and perform complex tasks that require massive hand-eye co-ordination
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When you want to have a reasonable discussion then we will talk.
so you know your argument doesnt hold water and this is your attempt to escape
it's simple, potheads believe that they function just fine when they're stoned yet they cause more injury than the sober people, colorado and washington have seen an increase in traffic fatalities involving people with marijuana in their system just as have states with medical marijuana
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the only point of this thread was to ask if we should punish impairment based on how impaired you are not just "if its in your system after 20 days"
no, that's my answer, but I also believe that if you crash into someone when you're stoned you should get a minimum of 5 years in prison and if it results in death then you should get life
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its quite obvious you didnt even read this thread and you just came here to troll.
why you are a moderator is beyond me.
so if someone isnt 100% in agreement with you they must be a troll, how disingenuous, if you think that a difference in opinion is trolling then you're the one with the deep rooted liberal entitlement issues
you should scream "racist" a few times for good measure
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23715894 - 10/07/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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All I was asking was should stoned driving be punished as severely as drunk driving if there are no accidents involved and you were just unlucky and got caught.
then you turn it around by claiming i was saying that there is nothing wrong with driving stoned when all i was asking is if it should be considered as bad as driving drunk if no accidents or reckless driving occurred.
you were definitely misrepresenting my argument and i have the right to assume that is trollish behavior, so sue me. But im glad you cleared that up, a little.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23715941 - 10/07/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23716047 - 10/07/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is complicated. So you believe people who get into accidents with pot in their system should get minimum of 5 years in prison (which in canada at least will NEVER happen thankfully) while someone who has been drinking but is still under the legal limit (and is physically JUST as impaired or more impaired than a stoner with a tolerance) shouldn't have be charged a minimum of five years?
thats why i think this level stuff is non-sense and biased. its not judging actual impairment levels.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23716062 - 10/07/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Drive or get high. Pick one and stop complaining.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: koods]
#23716078 - 10/07/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do not own a car. As I get older I keep my buzz time aside from running around in a car/public.
Not that I am a fan of the justice system. It's a bushiness
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: koods]
#23716086 - 10/07/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Drive or get high. Pick one and stop complaining.
lol
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: 28064212]
#23716210 - 10/07/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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28064212 said: Ever since I was a wee teenager I've been driving "high" and it's just a fact it doesn't impair you the way alcohol would.... In fact, it makes me more alert and my pain taken away so I can be a better driver.
You know what? You have a great point. Weed actually impairs me more then a few drinks do. Drinking actually relieves a lot of anxiety for me which makes me a better driver. I think I will down this pint of vodka with a few beers and drive downtown. Trust me, I got this.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: EDM]
#23716307 - 10/07/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do it. Ive been taking bongrips and rolling joints as I drive since I was a wee lad. Never hit the road without it, never been in an accident. Its safe.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23716331 - 10/07/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think if you are going to drive you shouldnt smoke while driving. a couple hours afterward if you have a tolerance shouldnt be an issue though. but i think the issue just needs more study
i dont know many wee lads who hit bong rips while drivin
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23716341 - 10/07/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look the current testing method will come back positive even if I follow that plan. Legally speaking Im not any worse off taking a rip as im driving or not smoking a couple hours before I drive anywhere.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23716369 - 10/07/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I got my first dui in Alaska where it was practically legal. I token up before going to the state Fair. Ate many delicious treats. The cop had such a fucking hard on when he breathalyzed me but i hadn't been drinking.
Then I got taken to the hospital and threatened if you don't give us blood we will hold you down and take it. I'd imagine it's a lot what rape feels like. 
What'd he pull you over for? I need deets.
My friend didn't put on his seat belt. It was literally a football field away as they hella trap people there. As everyone's there generally having fun. My mom got a dui there when we were kids. Just wanted to fuck with me really.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23716457 - 10/07/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Look the current testing method will come back positive even if I follow that plan. Legally speaking Im not any worse off taking a rip as im driving or not smoking a couple hours before I drive anywhere.
ur less likely to be caught though :P and surely lowers the danger risk if any
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23716464 - 10/07/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I got my first dui in Alaska where it was practically legal. I token up before going to the state Fair. Ate many delicious treats. The cop had such a fucking hard on when he breathalyzed me but i hadn't been drinking.
Then I got taken to the hospital and threatened if you don't give us blood we will hold you down and take it. I'd imagine it's a lot what rape feels like. 
What'd he pull you over for? I need deets.
My friend didn't put on his seat belt. It was literally a football field away as they hella trap people there. As everyone's there generally having fun. My mom got a dui there when we were kids. Just wanted to fuck with me really.
People like this need to be shot.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23716491 - 10/07/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you want to be a cop does that mean you have a predator mentality>? almost seems like it these cannot fundamentally be good people. The personality profile which is linked to people wanting to become cops and have that power over people cannot be pretty.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23716518 - 10/07/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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impaired driving is impaired driving. There should not be any blurred lines or exceptions. But IMO people looking at their phones or driving tired are the most dangerous.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: JohnnieYen]
#23716529 - 10/07/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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JohnnieYen said: impaired driving is impaired driving. There should not be any blurred lines or exceptions. But IMO people looking at their phones or driving tired are the most dangerous.
i agree, and speeding. i was in a friends car who doesnt like to think of consequences and he would consistently speed like 50 over on every road.
i was praying no one would die because of him.
thankfully he was busted for 50 over the speed limit and got his license taken away and pretty much can never drive again.
That experience with him completely turned me off speed at all.
Im always driving at the speed limit and am as caution as humanily possible.
but yes texting is by far the most dangerous thing someone can possibly do.
much worse than impaired driving imo
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23716570 - 10/07/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not even comparable, assuming we are talking about weed. There have even been studies done showing reduced aggressive driving and crash rate in thc "impaired" drivers. If the dosage is very heavy or edibles are involved fatigue and reaction time might be a slight issue. I think a few tokes or sharing a joint before driving is basically as safe as driving straight. May be an individual thing as well. Probably no worse than driving while tired. Definitely safer than those fools who play with their phone. I used to drive high constantly when I was younger and smoking daily. Only ever been in at fault/any accidents and had speeding tickets while straight.. Now I only occasionally smoke and avoid the road after mostly because it stresses me out/harshes my vibe. I feel a 12-24hr suspension should be the max penalty for excessively stoned drivers. Drunk driving penalties however should be harsher than they are now, IMO.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Saunterer]
#23716597 - 10/07/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had an ex that would drive stoned all the time and she said it was like being on a roller coaster. Her driving legit scared me. Later on she went to pass someone over a double yellow line and there was a car in the oncoming lane so she over corrected, went off the road. And slammed into a tree so hard the back end skittered into another tree and wedged itself there. She got mad that I wouldn't hug her for coming back alive but I was like you fucking did it and I told you not to. Many times.
This is why we have laws. So dumbass people who don't give a fuck have consequences other than how they migh hurt themselves. She broke a good handful of them. Another reason we have laws, to get reckless people who just don't give a fuck about any consequences off the street where they can't hurt the public.
Yes the problem was more the girl than the pot but you can't make laws specific to dumbasses.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#23716742 - 10/07/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like to do a shit load of research chemical and then go out and drive around. Stupid fucks can never figure out what is wrong with me...
No, I'm just kidding. The point is that we will never be able to make fair laws based on drug levels. How much psilocybin can somebody have in their system? How much LSD? What is the coerection factor for AL-LAD which is less potent? How much kratom can somebody use? What about legally prescribed opiates and benzos? What about prescribed opiates, benzos, and a few drinks at the same time?
The notion of testing for drug levels is all wrong. We have the technology to much more objectively measure reaction times and coordination using computer software and accessories that could be carried in police cars. This way it makes no difference what somebody uses.
Of course no system is perfect, but with some tuning and a large enough database of people's responses and a system like this would be way more fair than charging a medical user of cannabis with DUI, while someone tripping balls has to be let go as long as they can play it cool for the 20 minutes they are pulled over.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23716776 - 10/07/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol well koods believes the laws should remain flawed and imperfect because it seems to complicated tp think about. Im only kidding ;p but we really should have an honest debate about thos and make it at least somewhat fair because its heavily flawed atm
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23718238 - 10/08/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I got my first dui in Alaska where it was practically legal. I token up before going to the state Fair. Ate many delicious treats. The cop had such a fucking hard on when he breathalyzed me but i hadn't been drinking.
Then I got taken to the hospital and threatened if you don't give us blood we will hold you down and take it. I'd imagine it's a lot what rape feels like. 
What'd he pull you over for? I need deets.
My friend didn't put on his seat belt. It was literally a football field away as they hella trap people there. As everyone's there generally having fun. My mom got a dui there when we were kids. Just wanted to fuck with me really.
People like this need to be shot.
I triple checked myself alright we're good. The cops lights were literally blinding facing the exit couldn't see fuck all. When he pulled out behind me ill never forget the look on his face as he patted himself and didn't have his seat belt on.
I still don't have my license. Every time I tried to do my shit they just kept fucking me. Mostly just hope they let the shit go. It's been 5 years. I haven't been in a single lick of trouble. I stay the fuck from police because of it.
I still drive but before that I drove without insurance for 7 years. Just follow all traffic rules and don't drive like a moron. They'll generally just leave you alone. I've been driving dirt bikes, 4 wheelers, jet skis since I was 9. First time ma let me drive a car was 11. It's one of the only things I actually believe I'm great at.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23718242 - 10/08/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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He totally got off in knowing he was gonna fuck your shit up for years afterwards.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23718302 - 10/08/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh ya man. The cop was big and dumb could tell he got made fun of a lot in high school. The one with the biggest hard on for me to blow dirty for alcohol was like 5 foot. They were 2 of the dumbest fools I've ever seen.
Just wanted to get home after a good day. The fucked up thing about it was my other friend called me wanting to go out to the fair 60 miles. I called in a favor with a work buddy as I should have been at work. But said ah ya man that sounds fun as I didn't even plan on going that year most likely.
Then they just fuck you over and over.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23718437 - 10/08/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont have to know. Your funny and evil. fuck your shit
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: EDM]
#23718452 - 10/08/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats a sig worthy compliment amigo
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23718467 - 10/08/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here in The Netherlands you are not allowed to drive under the influence of substances that could possibly impair your ability to drive. But whereas alcohol is very much regulated in this regard (road side breath test, fixed promilles etc) drugs and medication are a very grayish area.
For starters it is pretty much impossible to determine (with roadside testing) how under the influence one exactly is. Blood-levels and so on for substances other than alcohol are not regulated anywhere.
So what happens is this: When an officer suspects you are under the influence of something, he will take you to the nearest police-station for blood testing. If they find something they can take your license for a couple of hours. The district attorney (not sure that is the right word) will then determine what happens next and how much of a fine you will have to pay. Assuming off course you did not run somebody over whilst high.
This doesnt happen all that often because unless you are really out of it, how are they going to see you are under the influence. So unless you have like a burning joint in the car when you are pulled over you are generally fine.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#23718510 - 10/08/16 06:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is fucking great. I got my dead bro right. Then I got my alive bro who is more of a piece of shit then my dead bro ever was. Hell if anything my dead bro talked about his decisions in life and why he was going blind in his later years.
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