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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: EDM]
#23716307 - 10/07/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do it. Ive been taking bongrips and rolling joints as I drive since I was a wee lad. Never hit the road without it, never been in an accident. Its safe.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23716331 - 10/07/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think if you are going to drive you shouldnt smoke while driving. a couple hours afterward if you have a tolerance shouldnt be an issue though. but i think the issue just needs more study
i dont know many wee lads who hit bong rips while drivin
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23716341 - 10/07/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look the current testing method will come back positive even if I follow that plan. Legally speaking Im not any worse off taking a rip as im driving or not smoking a couple hours before I drive anywhere.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23716369 - 10/07/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I got my first dui in Alaska where it was practically legal. I token up before going to the state Fair. Ate many delicious treats. The cop had such a fucking hard on when he breathalyzed me but i hadn't been drinking.
Then I got taken to the hospital and threatened if you don't give us blood we will hold you down and take it. I'd imagine it's a lot what rape feels like. 
What'd he pull you over for? I need deets.
My friend didn't put on his seat belt. It was literally a football field away as they hella trap people there. As everyone's there generally having fun. My mom got a dui there when we were kids. Just wanted to fuck with me really.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23716457 - 10/07/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Look the current testing method will come back positive even if I follow that plan. Legally speaking Im not any worse off taking a rip as im driving or not smoking a couple hours before I drive anywhere.
ur less likely to be caught though :P and surely lowers the danger risk if any
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Edited by SleepyE (10/07/16 01:49 PM)
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23716464 - 10/07/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I got my first dui in Alaska where it was practically legal. I token up before going to the state Fair. Ate many delicious treats. The cop had such a fucking hard on when he breathalyzed me but i hadn't been drinking.
Then I got taken to the hospital and threatened if you don't give us blood we will hold you down and take it. I'd imagine it's a lot what rape feels like. 
What'd he pull you over for? I need deets.
My friend didn't put on his seat belt. It was literally a football field away as they hella trap people there. As everyone's there generally having fun. My mom got a dui there when we were kids. Just wanted to fuck with me really.
People like this need to be shot.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23716491 - 10/07/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you want to be a cop does that mean you have a predator mentality>? almost seems like it these cannot fundamentally be good people. The personality profile which is linked to people wanting to become cops and have that power over people cannot be pretty.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23716518 - 10/07/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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impaired driving is impaired driving. There should not be any blurred lines or exceptions. But IMO people looking at their phones or driving tired are the most dangerous.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: JohnnieYen]
#23716529 - 10/07/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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JohnnieYen said: impaired driving is impaired driving. There should not be any blurred lines or exceptions. But IMO people looking at their phones or driving tired are the most dangerous.
i agree, and speeding. i was in a friends car who doesnt like to think of consequences and he would consistently speed like 50 over on every road.
i was praying no one would die because of him.
thankfully he was busted for 50 over the speed limit and got his license taken away and pretty much can never drive again.
That experience with him completely turned me off speed at all.
Im always driving at the speed limit and am as caution as humanily possible.
but yes texting is by far the most dangerous thing someone can possibly do.
much worse than impaired driving imo
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23716570 - 10/07/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not even comparable, assuming we are talking about weed. There have even been studies done showing reduced aggressive driving and crash rate in thc "impaired" drivers. If the dosage is very heavy or edibles are involved fatigue and reaction time might be a slight issue. I think a few tokes or sharing a joint before driving is basically as safe as driving straight. May be an individual thing as well. Probably no worse than driving while tired. Definitely safer than those fools who play with their phone. I used to drive high constantly when I was younger and smoking daily. Only ever been in at fault/any accidents and had speeding tickets while straight.. Now I only occasionally smoke and avoid the road after mostly because it stresses me out/harshes my vibe. I feel a 12-24hr suspension should be the max penalty for excessively stoned drivers. Drunk driving penalties however should be harsher than they are now, IMO.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Saunterer]
#23716597 - 10/07/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had an ex that would drive stoned all the time and she said it was like being on a roller coaster. Her driving legit scared me. Later on she went to pass someone over a double yellow line and there was a car in the oncoming lane so she over corrected, went off the road. And slammed into a tree so hard the back end skittered into another tree and wedged itself there. She got mad that I wouldn't hug her for coming back alive but I was like you fucking did it and I told you not to. Many times.
This is why we have laws. So dumbass people who don't give a fuck have consequences other than how they migh hurt themselves. She broke a good handful of them. Another reason we have laws, to get reckless people who just don't give a fuck about any consequences off the street where they can't hurt the public.
Yes the problem was more the girl than the pot but you can't make laws specific to dumbasses.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#23716742 - 10/07/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like to do a shit load of research chemical and then go out and drive around. Stupid fucks can never figure out what is wrong with me...
No, I'm just kidding. The point is that we will never be able to make fair laws based on drug levels. How much psilocybin can somebody have in their system? How much LSD? What is the coerection factor for AL-LAD which is less potent? How much kratom can somebody use? What about legally prescribed opiates and benzos? What about prescribed opiates, benzos, and a few drinks at the same time?
The notion of testing for drug levels is all wrong. We have the technology to much more objectively measure reaction times and coordination using computer software and accessories that could be carried in police cars. This way it makes no difference what somebody uses.
Of course no system is perfect, but with some tuning and a large enough database of people's responses and a system like this would be way more fair than charging a medical user of cannabis with DUI, while someone tripping balls has to be let go as long as they can play it cool for the 20 minutes they are pulled over.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23716776 - 10/07/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol well koods believes the laws should remain flawed and imperfect because it seems to complicated tp think about. Im only kidding ;p but we really should have an honest debate about thos and make it at least somewhat fair because its heavily flawed atm
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23718238 - 10/08/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I got my first dui in Alaska where it was practically legal. I token up before going to the state Fair. Ate many delicious treats. The cop had such a fucking hard on when he breathalyzed me but i hadn't been drinking.
Then I got taken to the hospital and threatened if you don't give us blood we will hold you down and take it. I'd imagine it's a lot what rape feels like. 
What'd he pull you over for? I need deets.
My friend didn't put on his seat belt. It was literally a football field away as they hella trap people there. As everyone's there generally having fun. My mom got a dui there when we were kids. Just wanted to fuck with me really.
People like this need to be shot.
I triple checked myself alright we're good. The cops lights were literally blinding facing the exit couldn't see fuck all. When he pulled out behind me ill never forget the look on his face as he patted himself and didn't have his seat belt on.
I still don't have my license. Every time I tried to do my shit they just kept fucking me. Mostly just hope they let the shit go. It's been 5 years. I haven't been in a single lick of trouble. I stay the fuck from police because of it.
I still drive but before that I drove without insurance for 7 years. Just follow all traffic rules and don't drive like a moron. They'll generally just leave you alone. I've been driving dirt bikes, 4 wheelers, jet skis since I was 9. First time ma let me drive a car was 11. It's one of the only things I actually believe I'm great at.
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Edited by Enjoywho (10/08/16 12:33 AM)
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23718242 - 10/08/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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He totally got off in knowing he was gonna fuck your shit up for years afterwards.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23718302 - 10/08/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh ya man. The cop was big and dumb could tell he got made fun of a lot in high school. The one with the biggest hard on for me to blow dirty for alcohol was like 5 foot. They were 2 of the dumbest fools I've ever seen.
Just wanted to get home after a good day. The fucked up thing about it was my other friend called me wanting to go out to the fair 60 miles. I called in a favor with a work buddy as I should have been at work. But said ah ya man that sounds fun as I didn't even plan on going that year most likely.
Then they just fuck you over and over.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23718437 - 10/08/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont have to know. Your funny and evil. fuck your shit
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: EDM]
#23718452 - 10/08/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats a sig worthy compliment amigo
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23718467 - 10/08/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here in The Netherlands you are not allowed to drive under the influence of substances that could possibly impair your ability to drive. But whereas alcohol is very much regulated in this regard (road side breath test, fixed promilles etc) drugs and medication are a very grayish area.
For starters it is pretty much impossible to determine (with roadside testing) how under the influence one exactly is. Blood-levels and so on for substances other than alcohol are not regulated anywhere.
So what happens is this: When an officer suspects you are under the influence of something, he will take you to the nearest police-station for blood testing. If they find something they can take your license for a couple of hours. The district attorney (not sure that is the right word) will then determine what happens next and how much of a fine you will have to pay. Assuming off course you did not run somebody over whilst high.
This doesnt happen all that often because unless you are really out of it, how are they going to see you are under the influence. So unless you have like a burning joint in the car when you are pulled over you are generally fine.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#23718510 - 10/08/16 06:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is fucking great. I got my dead bro right. Then I got my alive bro who is more of a piece of shit then my dead bro ever was. Hell if anything my dead bro talked about his decisions in life and why he was going blind in his later years.
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