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SleepyE
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: zZZz]
#23713236 - 10/06/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah because if your driving is clean and no obvious mistakes but you just had a light out and they test you for it out of nowhere that would be super gay.
i can see it happening. them just trying to increase the odds of them getting to rip money off people and make peoples life miserable.
all they have to do is look up the statistics of how many people are potentially driving high and then just test everyone they come across. thats should be illegal
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: zZZz]
#23713240 - 10/06/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zZZz said: I think it should be based on appearance more than anything else
True, if you're hot looking you shouldn't have to be getting legal charges. Laws are for ugly people.
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SleepyE
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713242 - 10/06/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Laws are for ugly people.
AND the poor, dont forget the bloody poor./
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713244 - 10/06/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Exactly
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: zZZz] 1
#23713280 - 10/06/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think there have been tests done on this that showed stoned people are not nearly as apt to be in accidents as alcohol impaired drivers. For one thing...Stoned drivers usually decrease their speed vs. alcohol impaired increase their speed.
Some of the standards for weed intoxication that I have heard thrown around are 5 nanograms/ liter of blood. Some of the test subjects drove just fine with much higher concentrations than that mostly due to tolerance, like someone else said.
Bottom line is states are already starting to lick their chops with all the revenue that can come from these new DUI's. I have a friend in Pa. that got pulled over with no alcohol in her at all...cop said she had a brown tongue so they arrested her and drew blood to find a negligible amount of THC in her and her arrest held up in court...She got a guilty verdict and is now udergoing all the bullshit classes and fines plus probation. AND she has a DUI conviction on her record.
I also have a nephew that is a Pa. state cop and he says they train their ranks to be able to spot suggestions of several drug uses and arrest them if they feel like they are on particular drugs like weed, benzos, opiates...etc. It's fucked up...especially that brown tongue thing.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23713324 - 10/06/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I actually drive better when I'm stoned. If I am not stoned I am stricken with road rage. A tiny bit of weed and it's all smooth sailing.
0 accidents in 15 years, other than once when I drove drunk and plowed into a phonepole sideways, but that was a long time ago and I payed my debt to society.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: badchad] 1
#23713333 - 10/06/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said:
thats a good point. Shouldnt a roadside test be the ultimate test of impairment?
Perhaps. The problem is that driving is such a complex behavior, it's nearly impossible to simulate with a roadside test, or even a laboratory test.
plus the confounding factor that DUIs are cash cows for police departments. If they pull you over at 2am they want to find you intoxicated, and anything they see will be evidence of intoxication. I wonder what percentage are straight up lying, and what percentage are just seeing what they want to see.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23713374 - 10/06/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i play piano better when im stoned. not sure why
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Hippocampus] 2
#23713385 - 10/06/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only thing about weed is how do u determine impairment? From what I understand oral swabs show positive if you smoked within 12 hours. And longer for blood and urine. I dunno about you guys but I have to eat and smoke alot of herb to be stoned for 12 hours.
I believe people should be charged with DWI if they are impaired and driving recklessly. Absolutely. But determining and proving that is another matter.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23713389 - 10/06/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: i play piano better when im stoned. not sure why
And I play video games better when I'm stoned.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23713407 - 10/06/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're just as impaired as someone who has been drinking then yes, you should be punished just as severely as someone who is drinking and driving. The only thing is how do you prove that... It's one thing to risk your own life because you're doing so willingly but people who you share the road with, who aren't impaired, shouldn't pay the consequences because you decided to be an inconsiderate POS.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bigfeely123] 1
#23713416 - 10/06/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Compared to me most sober people deserve severe punishment for the way they drive.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23713432 - 10/06/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 good one
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23713446 - 10/06/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha. Can't argue with that. Some people suck at driving.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23713536 - 10/06/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Compared to me most sober people deserve severe punishment for the way they drive.
If there was such a thing as an impairment-o-meter that gave you a reading against a set base level of competancy. Most people would be banned.
The mother that's been up all night feeding and changing the new borns nappies, or the geezer that's just stormed out of the house to get away from 'her indoors' latest bout of pmt, would both likely fail the test.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713594 - 10/06/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think this is going to backfire spectacularly and ruin a lot of lives because marijuana metabolites float around for weeks afterwards and thats literally all they test for. "Hey buddy looks like you smoked weed 23 days ago, thats a DWI. Good luck in court!"
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SleepyE
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23713703 - 10/06/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I think this is going to backfire spectacularly and ruin a lot of lives because marijuana metabolites float around for weeks afterwards and thats literally all they test for. "Hey buddy looks like you smoked weed 23 days ago, thats a DWI. Good luck in court!"
I read some article awhile back about canadian legalization and i think it said that they were going to account for that somehow. Hope that wasnt just a lie
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713757 - 10/06/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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driving drunk is really fucked up. I think drunk drivers should get a few years in jail even if they dont kill anyone.
But weed is not as impairing as alcohol. Maybe it should be punnished, idk but it certainly shouldnt be punnished as harshly as driving under the influence of alcohol.
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SleepyE
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23713780 - 10/06/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah alcohol effects your motor control and impairs your vision. Ive been around heavy alcoholics and no matter what tolerance they have they still get piss drunk to the point where they are clearly impaired. I dont think stoners with a tolerance will ever show any of those signs
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 3
#23713785 - 10/06/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've said it before in other threads, but I'll say it again. Instead of testing for drug levels we need to be looking for ways to more objectively measure coordination and reaction times. With so many different drugs, and with everyone from occasional to heavy users there is no way we can make fair substance level tests.
Imagine a driving simulator that you use when you get a license. You have to have some minimum skill level. The program also collects some personal baseline info, so it knows how you normally perform.
Then when someone gets pulled over and the police suspect intoxication they can sit someone in the passenger seat and use a portable version of the simulator to run a quick skill tests. This way it makes no difference what a person is using. The test simply look for impairment.
Obviously the system would have to be set up and tuned to work well, but I'm sure it could be done. It would obviously not be perfect, but it probably be far more fair than using drug levels to determine impairment.
Of course our justice system isn't really about protecting people. It is all about $$$$. DUIs are big money makes for the courts and lawyers. People get straight up raked over the coals for a few digits over. Plus it makes no difference if someone is on an empty rural road on a motorcycle with a speed limit of 30 a mile from home, or on a high speed road in a giant truck with heavy traffic. One point over and it is $$$$$$$$.
The law should really have a public safety mindset and not just be out there fucking over people trying to generate revenue. Plus, I'd rather have a little more intoxicated drivers out there, then see people being raked over the coals for having a extra point on some arbitrary scale. Lots of decent people get screwed over DUIs.
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