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Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving?
#23713021 - 10/06/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard Ontario is soon going to make stoned driving as bad as drunk driving and im wondering if this is fair. I really dont believe we should consider these substances to be equally impairing.
my point is that i am stoned muktiple times a day and am able to function through-out the day very well and perform complex tasks that require massive hand-eye co-ordination i spend most of my day hitting a bowl and then going up stairs to practice perfecting the hardest piece written for the piano "La Campanella"
Now if i can hit a bowl and then play la campanella perfectly then can you really tell me that i am impaired in any significant way? I agree that if you have no tolerance and smoke weed you shouldnt drive. but i also agree that if you have no tolerance and smoke a cigarette you shouldnt drive cuz that gets you pretty high too.
but someone with a heavy weed tolerance who pretty much sobers up completely after 15 minutes of smoking, should these people really be considered dangerous on the road.
I am unable to play la campanella drunk because that actually effects my hand eye co-ordination. weed does not seem to if i have a tolerance.
i think our government should really develop a better system than just generalizing that if you take anything that isnt cigarettes or caffeine then you are impaired and are going to jail.
what do you guys think?
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 2
#23713037 - 10/06/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think unless you are a medical patient it should be punished. Driving while intoxicated is dangerous, alcohol is worse but people still shouldn't drive impaired anyways.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: TNK]
#23713045 - 10/06/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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why would medical patients get off free? they are not any less impaired.
my point is that if you have such a high tolerance that weed doesnt do much more than a cigarette then does it really need to be such a big deal.
we still let people drive if they have had one beer or so and have a G license.
one beer gets me much more intoxicated than smoking weed.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: TNK] 4
#23713073 - 10/06/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said: I think unless you are a medical patient it should be punished.
That's just silly.
Either it impairs your driving, or it does not. Some places where it is legal have LE saying that it does indeed impair driving. Some studies say the same. And other studies say that it does not. So it's a pretty indefinite thing at the moment.
Not to mention that testing methods aren't 100% yet.
I don't think you'll see it resolved in time though. It'll be decades before driving laws really incorporate marijuana and other drugs as different substances with independent driving laws attached. And before that happens, self driving vehicles will start dominating roads. I'd expect laws to change with self driving car laws, not with marijuana legalization.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713083 - 10/06/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The same logic applies to drunk driving.
Hard core alcoholics can drink a ton and function just fine due to tolerance. Moreover, in the US, intoxication limits are pretty darn low (a few drinks, perhaps).
The degree of impairment for a DWI could be argued to be similar to MJ.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713086 - 10/06/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think its complicated and has to do with tolerance.
no tolerance weed smoking and tolerance weed smoking should be considered completely different drugs and impairments in my opinion.
i cant get to the level of high that i get with little to no tolerance it just wont happen.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: badchad]
#23713087 - 10/06/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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badchad said: The same logic applies to drunk driving.
Hard core alcoholics can drink a ton and function just fine due to tolerance. Moreover, in the US, intoxication limits are pretty darn low (a few drinks, perhaps).
The degree of impairment for a DWI could be argued to be similar to MJ.
thats a good point. Shouldnt a roadside test be the ultimate test of impairment?
im sure sleep deprivation is quite impairing aswell.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23713095 - 10/06/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it is still bad to drive while high, but compared to alcohol it's like ten thousands times better than driving while drunk. At least when ure high u can still make conscious decisions and pull over if u don't feel safe driving, whereas a drunk driver won't even admit he is driving horribly.
Sure it is possible to drive extremely well while stoned out of ur mind, but it still takes a lot of practice and many peeps won't be able to pull it off, so there isnt much say in the matter..
But driving stoned vs driving drunk, a thousand times I choose driving stoned.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713097 - 10/06/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: no tolerance weed smoking and tolerance weed smoking should be consider completely different drugs and impairments in my opinion.
There are some things you just can't legislate. 
How would you quantify someone's tolerance? Taking samples from their kidneys to see what kind of enzyme production it goes through? Taking their word for it? It would also encourage habitual marijuana use, as no one would want to lose their beloved tolerance.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23713099 - 10/06/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said:
thats a good point. Shouldnt a roadside test be the ultimate test of impairment?
Perhaps. The problem is that driving is such a complex behavior, it's nearly impossible to simulate with a roadside test, or even a laboratory test.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713102 - 10/06/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, i think the generalization is pretty gay. i hope at least they will be somewhat fair and not just bust people for even having it in their bloodstream
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713124 - 10/06/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not exactly sure what the laws on driving while high are, they differ pretty widely in all areas. I'm sure some have it the same as driving drunk, and some even worse so.
I think the best way to regulate it would be to put it in the same category as prescription drugs though. Like people who catch a charge for driving while on a lot of ambien and then get pulled over because it's pretty obvious they are impaired. A DWAI in a lot of states.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713131 - 10/06/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i wonder if there is a specific time frame of when you smoked and when you can legally drive again. i read somewhere that since canada has plans to legalize it they will have to figure that out.
Its a complex issue and i really hope they put at least some study into their decisions.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713139 - 10/06/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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One thing I wish every place would do is make it a requirement for car manufacturers to put drunk driving detectors in new cars, or even make them mandatory installments. Would save millions of lives, prevent millions of DUIs, and make a lot of people late for work. 
Edit: I'm not talking a breathalyzer in every car, I'm thinking more along the lines of alcohol sensors in the driving wheel.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23713152 - 10/06/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah that would be a good idea.
I still think there is a difference between tolerance intoxication from alcohol versus tolerance intoxication from weed.
because heavy tolerance or not, if you keep drinking you WILL die of alcohol poisoning but if you keep smoking weed... well you know the stoner rhetoric on that one
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713169 - 10/06/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's way better than driving drunk, but it still impairs your abilities. I don't think the punishment should be the same, but make no mistake driving while high is dangerous and a bad idea. You could hurt not just yourself, but other people. If you feel like you drive 100% okay stoned, that makes me even more concerned because you're not even aware of the ways in which you're impaired.
Don't drive stoned. You are impaired whether you feel like it or not, and you could injure other people. But yeah, it should have a lesser punishment, but that is probably never going to happen.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: SleepyE]
#23713181 - 10/06/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It should be punished but not as severely as driving drunk imo, or have it scaled to levels of intoxication -like driving under a heavy dose of edibles would surely be just as bad as driving drunk.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: nooneman]
#23713188 - 10/06/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i agree, i just feel like there needs to be levels of punishment based on how impaired you are.
If you smoked nothing more than what 1 beer would do to you then it shouldnt be such a huge deal, or if you smoked like 4 hours ago or something.
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: nooneman]
#23713213 - 10/06/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it should be based on appearance more than anything else, for example if someone gets pulled over for having a broken taillight, but then the officer suspects them of being high and wants to do a swap, then that's definitely not ok. But suppose one were to get pulled over for speeding and turns out their whole car smelled of marijuana and they were obviously high off their rocker, then their destiny is left to the officers..
What I'm tying to say is that it shouldnt be enforced like alcohol, but more like a sleepy driver, make them park on the side of the road to sleep it off or something..
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Re: Should driving while stoned be punished a severely as drunk driving? [Re: Ezuma] 2
#23713222 - 10/06/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dangerous driving should and is prosecuted. I see people serving across the road and driving dangerously, even crashing, and I don't care what's in their system. They showed a lapse in bloody judgement and that's what's caused the problem, not what they're on.
Now, certain substances are always going to fuck peoples coordination and judgement up, and that's why if you take them, make sure you have a caretaker. There's certain drugs I wouldn't do on my own for that reason.
I did an experiment when I felt, in my estimation, I was way too high to drive. I played euro truck simulator. I was fine, didn't crash (didn't even nudge crash ramps which I usually do sober on tight corners in that game) I just didn't feel like going as fast as the speed limit.
Some people who are way too fucked just think "yeah I'll be fine" and they are fucking wrong. Not naming names, but my mate was drunk and stoned, I was stoned, and he said he was going to drive. I drove instead, despite his protests. Was in a field, 3am, raining, so just staying out wasn't an option.
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