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Thewhiteandblack
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Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil
#23712948 - 10/06/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I posted about a week ago about tyvek vs polyfil lid filters and which was better. Some one said probably joking "why don't you try both". So I am lol. Basically to see if there are any differences in colonization time or drying of the grain etc. I'll keep posting until all the jars are 100% colonized Btw this may have been done before but I couldn't find it anywhere so wtf.
So the first three jars have tyvek filters in them (from a painters suit not an envelope) with four holes the size of small wood nail however big that is.

The later three jars have a 1/4" hole right in the center with polyfil in them pretty tight.

All of the jars have rye berries prepared using RRs prep tek to a T and all were nuked for 90 min.
Thanks for looking! If you have any criticism or input let me know
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23713006 - 10/06/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You really don't need four holes in each lid with grain. You don't want to use a bunch of spore solution if you are gambling spores straight to grain. Use very little, like .5 cc per jar or even less for sure.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Mushierage]
#23713014 - 10/06/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The holes were for air exchange not for inoculation..
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23713022 - 10/06/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right on man.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Mushierage]
#23713060 - 10/06/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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fyi.
i tried using only tyvek and no lid(used the screw part and a layer of tyvek) and the wbs dried out really quick.
i know its not what you did just a heads up if you were thinking about it.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: mushboy] 1
#23713104 - 10/06/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wasn't joking. I'm glad you tried both but you're not going to be able to "prove" anything about colonization times, unless you inoculated all those jars with the same clone. Or drying of the grain, really, since the tyvek lids have four holes and the poly lids only have one.
We all know they both work just fine, what I meant was for you to find YOUR preference, mainly as to prepping the lids. I for one am fucking. sick. of stuffing poly. I intend to give unmodified plastic lids a try soon.
Keep up the good work 
PS that's the same picture twice.
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Edited by jesustripped (10/06/16 12:48 PM)
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: jesustripped]
#23713232 - 10/06/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I guess this is more of testimonial report type log of my experience to see which I prefer. Also if anyone like me has the same question in the future they can look at this. I guess you're right as far as it's not an exact comparison in relation to the hole sizes or whatever. But really it is a good comparison the techniques rather than the materials. The tyvek jars are done exactly how you would do tyvek jars and the poly jars are done exactly how someone who used polyfil would do them.
Btw thanks, I didn't even realize I posted the same pic twice. It's fixed now
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: mushboy]
#23713239 - 10/06/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought about that but didn't try it bc I havent seen anyone use it like that yet. Thanks for the heads up
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23713349 - 10/06/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tyvek has given me lots of problems in the past. Contams and only usable a few times. Polyfil doesn't do much but I have successfully used it as a filter for LC. Which kind of blew my mind. I would suggest sfd above all else 1000 times over. I'm currently having a go at unmodified lids. Just don't pick your shit up all the time and you'll be good.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: mushboy]
#23713479 - 10/06/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not sure about your use of filter (I've always used cheap arts and crafts felt) but I used to use one big hole in the middle (about a 6mm drill bit) and found the substrate dried out although just about got there. Swapped to two much smaller holes (1.5mm ish) and they flourished. Quote:
mushboy said: fyi.
i tried using only tyvek and no lid(used the screw part and a layer of tyvek) and the wbs dried out really quick.
i know its not what you did just a heads up if you were thinking about it.
Not sure about the differences in filter (I've always used cheap arts and crafts felt) but I used to use one big hole in the middle (about a 6mm drill bit) and found the substrate dried out although just about got there. Swapped to two much smaller holes (1.5mm ish) and they flourished.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: MushroomBilly]
#23723711 - 10/09/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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10/9 First sightings in the jars
Tyvek doing best:


Poly still good progress but not as well so far:

The far right tyvek was contaminated (tric) needless to say it's a sad day in this household
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Edited by Thewhiteandblack (10/13/16 05:43 PM)
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23734701 - 10/13/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack] 1
#23734727 - 10/13/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why does the last jar on the right appear to be covered in aspergillis?
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: azur]
#23734737 - 10/13/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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how did you inoculate?
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Llwr]
#23734768 - 10/13/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ya far right is not lookin good.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Llwr]
#23734862 - 10/13/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: MountainManDan]
#23734866 - 10/13/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Word.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23734947 - 10/13/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP, next time you run a side by side camparison testing filters you should probably make everything the same except the filter.
Your likely to see differences in colonization rates and how quick one dries out compared to another when you have different sized holes
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23754567 - 10/20/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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10/19 Tyvek:


Polyfil:

Shook the tyvek jars right after the pics
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23764404 - 10/23/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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10/23 Tyvek:


Tyvek really took off after the shake. Shook it again today.
Polyfil:


Just shook the one with the most colonized area.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23764639 - 10/23/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Strain? Pan or cube?
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: noppie]
#23764723 - 10/23/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cube
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23776930 - 10/27/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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10/27
Tyvek: almost at 100%


polyfil: Middle jar is coming along really well. I wiggled the other two and most of the growth has gone onward rather than out so I think I am about to shake them today so that they don't wind up as a couple of bricks
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23776993 - 10/27/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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These are cubes??
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Mad Season]
#23777035 - 10/27/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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1 shake during the grow at 25% and 1 after colonisation to test is more than enough, any more than that will slow your grow down.
I have begun using microspore tape with everything, really easy
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: jesustripped]
#23777558 - 10/27/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
jesustripped said: We all know they both work just fine, what I meant was for you to find YOUR preference, mainly as to prepping the lids. I for one am fucking. sick. of stuffing poly. I intend to give unmodified plastic lids a try soon.
This. I stopped altering my lids with a filter on plastic lids recently. Only have agar rn but they doing just fine. Will be trying a batch of grain this was for forst time soon. But been told by multiple people that it colonized just fine if you just don't keep too tight.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Lobi]
#23777695 - 10/27/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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(Lobi) If you use tyvek filters you should consider them a single use disposable, tyvek isn't too expensive, especially for the amount of filters you get.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: HappyCat]
#23780648 - 10/28/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Depending on how often you are cultivating though that can become a bit of a pain in the ass. Nothing astronomical but. When I worked with tyvek, before switching to poly, and then to unaltered plastic lids, I used my tyvek filters like 3 times before switching with no problems.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: DeadPhan]
#23780759 - 10/28/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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How is cutting a little square of tyvek that big of a pain in the ass lol
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23780934 - 10/28/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Like a said. Depending on how much. When your cutting mad squares fairly often, you'll likely start trying to figure out a method that wasn't as time consuming. I used a cutting board and cut bunches at a time. Idk. Well, I got tired of it anyway. Same with foil. It's awesome to do bunch of jars with unaltered lids and not have to fuck with lids lie that ever again. Over time it equates to alot of time and labor, believe it or not. It's not beyond my capabilites but, why not find a quicker, and also less wasteful, method.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23780991 - 10/28/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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SFD's>tyvek and polyfill
One time I made about 50 lids with one wide mouth sfd 40 metal lids and 10 plastic. 10 will not rust but are slightly warped.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23798388 - 11/03/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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11/3
Tyvek: 100%

Polyfil: about a 70% 60% 50% haha
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23798416 - 11/03/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it just me or do all these jars look off? They look like they are all suffering from something to me...
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: Mad Season]
#23798423 - 11/03/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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still looking just as bacterial from when I said this..
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfil [Re: PinPornProducer]
#23798424 - 11/03/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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 They look dirty to me too.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfill [Re: Thewhiteandblack]
#23798533 - 11/03/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Thewhiteandblack said: Cube
That almost proves it neither tyvek nor polyfill.
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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfill [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#23798569 - 11/03/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use micropore tape. Once I tried it I never went back to sfds. 3 layers before going into the pc and a 1 more layer added once they cool

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Re: Rye substrate jars filter comparison: tyvek vs polyfill [Re: PinPornProducer]
#23799628 - 11/04/16 02:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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They look like they have a fever or the shits
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