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DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom * 1
    #23712562 - 10/06/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dea-may-reconsider-its-ban-on-herbal-painkiller-kratom/

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The “legal high” plant has been used to self-treat opioid withdrawal, pain and anxiety

    By Eric Boodman, STAT on October 6, 2016

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After announcing that the herbal supplement kratom would be made as illegal as heroin, the Drug Enforcement Administration is now reconsidering its decision, a US official familiar with the process told STAT on Wednesday morning.

In late August, the DEA announced that it would ban the substance for two or three years, a step that it could take unilaterally in a case it deems to be a “public health crisis.”

Kratom is a plant from Southeast Asia often used to self-treat opioid withdrawal, chronic pain, anxiety, and post-traumatic stress disorder. In making its decision, the DEA pointed to an increase in the number of calls to poison control centers related to kratom as a justification for acting swiftly, without seeking input from other government agencies—and with no opportunity for public comment.

Now, however, after protests in front of the White House, a petition that garnered more than 130,000 signatures, and criticism from members of Congress, the DEA is reconsidering.

The ban could have taken effect as early as Sept. 30, but a DEA spokesman said that the order had not yet been signed. He could not say when it might be signed.

But an official familiar with the decision said that DEA was now considering instituting a period of public comment, or taking the more traditional approach to banning drugs, a process that involves both public input and detailed consultations with the Food and Drug Administration to determine whether the substance is in fact a health threat.

That could significantly delay the ban—or potentially lead to the reversal of the decision entirely.

Representative Mark Pocan, a Democrat from Wisconsin, who spearheaded a protest letter signed by several dozen lawmakers, spoke to the acting administrator of the DEA on Friday. “Since they didn’t initially go through the proper protocol for this procedure, now they’re trying to figure out how they’re going to implement some sort of public comment period,” said a spokesperson from Pocan’s office.

The DEA, however, has made no public comment to that effect, and in September, a spokesman told STAT the ban would take effect soon.

Senator Orrin Hatch, a Republican from Utah, spearheaded a similar bipartisan letter signed by eight other senators. His office specified that Hatch is not “pro-kratom,” but that he wanted to make sure that the DEA was not overstepping its bounds.

Given the outcry from thousands of kratom users—many of whom claim that the substance has saved them from addiction—a public comment period could potentially shift the federal government’s view on the plant. Researchers have also spoken out against the ban, saying that this will hamper lab work that might lead to new treatments for opioid addiction and chronic pain.

Republished with permission from STAT. This article originally appeared on October 5, 2016




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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: eeso] * 1
    #23712963 - 10/06/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They will ban it. More banned drugs means more money for them when they make busts. It's simple economics. They have an interest in banning things and they are the ones who make the decision to ban things. There are no checks and balances.


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: searching]
    #23713015 - 10/06/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This delay WAS a check and balance. There is hope. Granted, I am pessimistic. I did however sign petitions and wrote to people. The idiots at DEA need to be replaced... Pot and Kratom as schedule 1????


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: klhouse] * 1
    #23713322 - 10/06/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

I have to agree, the fact we managed to get a delay at all is a miracle and a good sign.

Either way they are going to look bad, if they ban it after the public outcry no matter what people will see the lack of concern for the public's well being.

And if they cave that shows we have the power to pressure them into changing their stance on things. Now that kratom is gaining more and more momentum like Cannabis if it were made schedule 1 how long before states legalize it medicinally and or recreationally? Clearly people in need shouldn't have to wait at all to use kratom but there is hope.


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23713572 - 10/06/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Even if they reduce it, if they make it ANY kind of illegal, you won't be able to order it by mail so most people will be SOL.

It is not really practical to grow like pot.


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: klhouse]
    #23713602 - 10/06/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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klhouse said:
It is not really practical to grow like pot.




People grow Mimosa and Acacia and tons of other tropical tree's :shrug: plenty of people are growing kratom too...

It is just more of a long term investment but many people started years ago and I have seen many pics of nice big trees around the states.

Also we don't know for a fact it won't be available via mail, I have already seen at least 1 vendor proclaim they will sell it even if illegal. Who knows for how long before they get arrested but the point is people will still be trying to spread it to those in need. Clearly making it schedule 1 will drive the price up and reduce its availability.

It could have been schedule 1 a week ago though so why isn't it? They seem to slowly be pulling back a little bit at a time.

Right now people are readying to take this to court and intend to prove that the 15 deaths attributed to krartom are BS, that is the one thing the DEA have backing up their decision pretty much, if that gets proven false how will they be able to justify this ban? The people aren't having it and neither are many in congress and the US senate.


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23713640 - 10/06/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That was 15 deaths over three years... More people choke to death on hot dogs.

Plus, if you look at the 15 deaths, it was not just Kratom, other things were involved.

Kratom is not practical to grow. It is harder to grow in US. I have read that, for whatever reason, the stuff grown here is not as potent. Plus it takes a lot more for doses--u need lots of leaves from TREES, not like bud. ( I read that online, so it has to be true)


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: eeso]
    #23713697 - 10/06/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think It's not practical to grow because you need to harvest from very mature trees.

Most of us live where they would die during the winter months.  If you lived in Florida or something you could probably grow it but it would take a long ass time.


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: klhouse]
    #23713751 - 10/06/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't matter that it was 3 years, to uninformed people those are still 15 deaths linked to kratom. Anyone with half a brain knows that is no legitimate reason to make it illegal but sadly many people are very stupid and ill informed. That is the point I am making, the AKA is hiring people to prove the 15 deaths were from other substances.

If you have been on the Kratom wikipedia page recently you know on the first page they list the 15 deaths "attributed to kratom" as well as that the DEA states "kratom has no medicinal use and a high potential for abuse". It also mentions all the poison control calls, so refuting these claims is high priority before more stupid people believe it.

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Kratom is not practical to grow. It is harder to grow in US. I have read that, for whatever reason, the stuff grown here is not as potent. Plus it takes a lot more for doses--u need lots of leaves from TREES, not like bud. ( I read that online, so it has to be true)




Harder to grow outside of the south perhaps, I know a fair amount of people have outdoor plants in southern states...

Potency has to do with age and conditions so its very likely no one has big enough plants to get solidly potent leaves. I have heard people on the shroomery in southern states claim they eat kratom from their own tree's and it is definitely active. The point is people CAN grow it, even if its harder then more common things.

People could easily buy bulk in a neighboring country and drive it across the border too.


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23713911 - 10/06/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I do not believe the 7 hydroxy content to be all that low in young cuttings.  I prefer the narrow alkaloid content of western grown leaf.  How did people die from kratom?  Must be a drug combination and interaction or shooting isolates.


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23714064 - 10/06/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I don't believe there is evidence that anyone has died from kratom alone. The little progress that has been made in preventing the ban from occurring is nothing short of miraculous given the disenfranchisement of the public by the government in recent history.


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: morrowasted]
    #23714353 - 10/06/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Like caffeine for epileptics, it is bound to hurt someone eventually.  Still, almost every story about death-by-kratom is complete bullshit.

Don't use it heavily while drinking alcohol heavily, for example.  I suppose you would have to be careless to that in the first place though.

I woke up in a pool of blood after a seizure.  Drinking alone.  The marble table I fell into and destroyed apparently tore my arm open.

It can do weird shit to a person's body, but not all by itself.  Drinking after using high dose kratom all day is probably stupid for example.  At the very least you puke up a mix of kratom and alcohol.

It is harmless by itself is all I am saying.  It is strong enough to fuck a person up when mixed with the wrong drugs, obviously.  Which is certainly where any story of KRATOM_DEATH might come from.

The dea, those poor babies.  Realizing they can't be completely full of shit all the time.

(wink wink, that's one of the ways kratom can probably kill a person, as not everyone survives seizures the same way....Just a heads up.  Alcoholism+kratom = extra bad news.)


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23716557 - 10/07/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Someone not sucking satan's cock about it is cool. As seen in the following video.
Good for him making a new video making fun of this stuff.

Giant fake tits are super gross and will be featured in this video unfortunately.  I do get the point though.  lol



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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23716589 - 10/07/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"mytrajernine" :lolsy:


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23716655 - 10/07/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"Kratom does get you high, fuck you"


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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: impatientguy]
    #23716979 - 10/07/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

People have died from water and sometimes a drink of water feels damn good.

Herbs only cause so much of a high for so long.  Humans are compulsive and want the same old same old all the time.  We think the past has been working for us.  Truth with drugs is that using less will get you more high and for longer. 



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Re: DEA May Reconsider Its Ban on Herbal Painkiller Kratom [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23717546 - 10/07/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I believe every single case but one were polysubstance overdoses

obviously something is off about that one case


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