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mt cleverest
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reincarnate as everyone
#23712443 - 10/06/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why does everyone think reincarnation follows time? Doesnt it make sense that we could reincarnate as people from the past or present? I could reincarnate as you or your mom and you could reincarnate as me or my mom, and you eventually will until you (me) have experienced every single vantage point. This has already happened but since we are stuck in time, we will keep living every life that has been or will be lived. So be kind to your neighbor, you are literally him, or you at least have been him or will be him eventually.
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DividedQuantum
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You should check out the book Cities of the Red Night by William S. Burroughs. People are reincarnating all over the place -- past, present and future.
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Chakra Shock
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Interesting question. It calls to mind a few other questions, mainly: what is the true nature of individuality?
Since we're talking about the consciousness which manifests as an individual, through reincarnation, it makes sense that this consciousness would be, on one level, the same for everyone. The cosmic consciousness. In that sense, yes, we're all experiencing every facet of life all at once in a timeless way. However, I think reincarnation, lifetimes, implies the dimension of time, in which it might be possible that this same consciousness experiences a particular individuality only once.
There's a buddhist thought that goes along the lines of having compassion for every sentient being because at one point you were their mother and they have been yours.
I don't think there are any hard or fast rules about things like this: it's possible that individuality exists as an inherent part of each lifetime, but simultaneously there's a collective consciousness which perceives the whole.
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The only thing that's bound to linear time is seemingly our current consciousness.
The theory of reincarnation doesn't abide by linear time, but it does abide by time. That's to say, that it places us at one point which is time relevant, but not one that's sequentially future based.
It can also adhere to the theory of infinity, in that you can incarnate a body in the 'past' pertaining to a past which didn't even happen in this sequence (your life), but one that exists as one unit of every single possibility imaginable.
I believe it's due to infinity and all it's possibilities that exist simultaneously (Schrodingers Cat theory being the small scale representation of this), that we are all. Jesus' teaching to love your neighbour / brother is instructing that you should love every different possibility because every thing and every state that can be, IS and is YOU. You only perceive your own small share of possibilities and only perceive them alone bound in the bubble of time, lest without time you'd experience all, together. That's to say, you would be everyone and every thing and every possible state simultaneously - which is, perhaps, the ultimate goal.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (10/06/16 01:50 PM)
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there is a great book about this idea of us not being a substantial 'self' and that that idea has been drilled into us by concepts of a 'God' who is an unmoved mover' and of mythological heroes etc whose very mode of operation and self-identity depends on them not being touched by an other, and thus this 'other' turns into their symptoms, into 'monsters' ~~From a Broken Web, by Catherine Keller
 
See how the hero depicted is wearing armour. This is the emphasis that the hero does not want to be touched/moved. His self-identity is immovable, substantial, and not subject to influx of other selves, feelings. entities. All that becomes a threat to him, and he must constantly fight and wage war against what he fears will threaten his delusional stability
hence in since the inception of solar mythis writings and imagery there is the constant motif of the 'heroes' fighting 'monsters', dragons, serpents, Medusa, etc etc etc. And of course in the Christian myth THE most feared monster is Satan/The Devil. And we get a lue what is really being feared by how 'he' is imaged, being a composite of animal, and human, black skin, and in some cases female breasts.

Whereas it is so that with psychedelic inspiration you CAn feel this dynamic influx of selves, not just with others, and their thoughts feelings emotions, body language, but also with animals, insects, plants, trees, clouds, streams, air, etc etc. And experiencing your self as not substantial as such though this does not exclude a unique sense of being, but an ecstatic surprise, full of sense of humour and teror of all the facets of your being(s) everchanging
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Lucis
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Chakra Shock said:
There's a buddhist thought that goes along the lines of having compassion for every sentient being because at one point you were their mother and they have been yours.
Sorry this is sort of off topic, but have to say this.
I killed a wolf spider last night, and felt overwhelming guilt.
I tried to trap him in a water bottle, but he moved when I went to trap him, and I crushed some of his legs, so rather than let him die slow, I squished him. I often pick up worms that are struggling to get back into the earth, and place them back on good ground they can burrow into, I hate seeing them sitting there suffering.
My thoughts on life are, if I didn't create it, then I shouldn't take it.
I spent an hour apologizing in my head for killing that spider, I don't know why I started feeling this way some years ago, I just did.
The strange thing is, whenever there's any type of bug, animal, living thing around, I can feel it in my chest and head before I see it, I can feel its life force or something. So last night I was sitting down browsing the internet, when I felt the spider enter the room, then I looked right at it, it was like his spiritual energy was mingling with my own.
I am sure that sounds crazy, but it's an amazing feeling to feel that connection.
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Re: reincarnate as everyone [Re: Lucis]
#23715671 - 10/07/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You will realize Love is the ultimate connection. Souls have been reincarnating forever, there are humans with us now who could be decades older than us, spiritually(soulfully) they are immortals, healers, Shamans in this human experience. Just like you and me, until we finally get it right, until we all are a true essence of God, a vessel of Love, a spiritual being having a human experience, acts of compassion etc. We are all working, until we finally get to rest one day, some work longer than others, and there definitely the majority of the planet consists of lost, wandering souls.
We are no different from one another, as we are to plant, to animal and as you realize that and start developong your connection is when you start developing your spiritual power, astral travel, shapeshifting, energy development etc the great Siddhis
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
Edited by Eclipse3130 (10/07/16 09:32 AM)
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Re: reincarnate as everyone [Re: Lucis] 1
#23715884 - 10/07/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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they were accidents. I have done same and felt just as bad. latest was this little fly I tried to capture into a glass so I could set it free into the blue yonder--i LOVE that feeling. But it moved and I amputated its delicate little leg. I felt AWFUL!
Another time years back, a wasp came into the bathroom when I was having a shower. I tried to do same but this time I cut it in half and its top part was writhing in agony. I was So shocked. Can't remember what happened next. What you did was ending its life so it would not suffer.
Remember, life is abundant
Insects etc will feel that connection of empathy you have
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Re: reincarnate as everyone [Re: zzripz]
#23716642 - 10/07/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a great consciousness shift occurring, (we) are going to finally be able to hear each other, and see how simple it is to read minds and connect without confusion. Perhaps even the body of all of humanity is what is referred to as Jesus Christ, and when we come together we see how it is that hurting (others) is hurting ourself. Be the all one.
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phio


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Indeed... Reincarnation, as it more popularly held, robs one of the understanding that, within every fleeting second, they are forming anew. When you embody empathy, compassion, love.. With every second that you're alive, you are extending beyond yourself so as to see from another perspective.
Saṃsāra is a Sanskrit word that means "wandering" or "world", with the connotation of cyclic, circuitous change.
The word literally means "wandering through, flowing on", states Stephen J. Laumakis, in the sense of "aimless and directionless wandering".The concept of samsara is closely associated with the belief that the person continues to be born and reborn in various realms and forms.
Indeed, Reincarnation happens on a continuous time scale and throughout much of our waking lives. Many just aren't tuned to perceive it.
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Re: reincarnate as everyone [Re: phio] 1
#23717436 - 10/07/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Reincarnation is a weapon of mind control so that we fail to appreciate our mortal existence. The bible was as well carefully constructed on the basis of the true state of being. When the ego is entirely dead we see our body for the first time, even scary to most of us, and god, being the "supreme reality", is the world around us that we observe when we view it without interpretation, only observing without any thoughts at all, and the sensation is that there is a ghost, the holy ghost, but the ghost is ourself, and its frightening to see how real it is, but it is a creation of the mind, and objective reality does not exist. Time does not exist and we perceive it differently. All visions of god/hell/ demons/angels are creations from within the consciousness, none of it is real. Near death the pineal gland starts to absorb the DMT in the brain and can bring on intense hallucinations but they are not real, no matter how much we would like to believe that grandma saw angels and went to heaven. Maybe we are stuck in a time loop and have repeated the last 6000 years over and over again and are trying to send a message into space outside of the loop so that we can come back next time and find the message. Could be anything really, but accepting death is the only way to conquer it.
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Re: reincarnate as everyone [Re: bigdoodie]
#23717928 - 10/07/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bigdoodie said: Reincarnation is a weapon of mind control so that we fail to appreciate our mortal existence. The bible was as well carefully constructed on the basis of the true state of being. When the ego is entirely dead we see our body for the first time, even scary to most of us, and god, being the "supreme reality", is the world around us that we observe when we view it without interpretation, only observing without any thoughts at all, and the sensation is that there is a ghost, the holy ghost, but the ghost is ourself, and its frightening to see how real it is, but it is a creation of the mind, and objective reality does not exist. Time does not exist and we perceive it differently. All visions of god/hell/ demons/angels are creations from within the consciousness, none of it is real. Near death the pineal gland starts to absorb the DMT in the brain and can bring on intense hallucinations but they are not real, no matter how much we would like to believe that grandma saw angels and went to heaven. Maybe we are stuck in a time loop and have repeated the last 6000 years over and over again and are trying to send a message into space outside of the loop so that we can come back next time and find the message. Could be anything really, but accepting death is the only way to conquer it.
Quite interesting insights
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Re: reincarnate as everyone [Re: phio]
#23718656 - 10/08/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mt cleverest said: Why does everyone think reincarnation follows time? Doesnt it make sense that we could reincarnate as people from the past or present? I could reincarnate as you or your mom and you could reincarnate as me or my mom, and you eventually will until you (me) have experienced every single vantage point. This has already happened but since we are stuck in time, we will keep living every life that has been or will be lived. So be kind to your neighbor, you are literally him, or you at least have been him or will be him eventually.
It somehow makes sense and I've had this exact thought before.
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bigdoodie said: Reincarnation is a weapon of mind control so that we fail to appreciate our mortal existence. The bible was as well carefully constructed on the basis of the true state of being. When the ego is entirely dead we see our body for the first time, even scary to most of us, and god, being the "supreme reality", is the world around us that we observe when we view it without interpretation, only observing without any thoughts at all, and the sensation is that there is a ghost, the holy ghost, but the ghost is ourself, and its frightening to see how real it is, but it is a creation of the mind, and objective reality does not exist. Time does not exist and we perceive it differently. All visions of god/hell/ demons/angels are creations from within the consciousness, none of it is real. Near death the pineal gland starts to absorb the DMT in the brain and can bring on intense hallucinations but they are not real, no matter how much we would like to believe that grandma saw angels and went to heaven. Maybe we are stuck in a time loop and have repeated the last 6000 years over and over again and are trying to send a message into space outside of the loop so that we can come back next time and find the message. Could be anything really, but accepting death is the only way to conquer it.
Quite interesting insights 
Yeah that is bloody great paragraph! That hits hard but it still has a positivity attached to it.
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Re: reincarnate as everyone [Re: Jufin]
#23723011 - 10/09/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perhaps there are unresolved issues and this is our karma. Buddhist believe there are 49 days after death until reincarnation. Yet others remember things that are much longer than 49 days. There are not a lot of great stories. Catholics also believe that there is a 2 week period following death.
If it were easy I'd reincarnate into an alien society, come back and dominate the humans. But that's jumping the gun quite a bit!
-------------------- "in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur" In filth it will be found in dung it will be found
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