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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Offlinezzripz
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Alexestalex]
    #23721216 - 10/09/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What is "life" though?

Life is the collection of all sentient experience, is it not?

Antinatalism means wanting to stop horrible experiences like cancer, wars, gorey misfortunes, etc, which are a part of life. But I am not against life itself.

If no innocent beings had to suffer immense misfortunes like disease, I wouldn't be against pro-creation.

Labelling it as a cult is just an easy way to disregard it.

But your perspective is so inconsistent. I could just as well say that euthanasia is a cult movement that denies life.




you cannot have life without death, or know life without death. Life&death are not separate 'things' but a dynamic.

euthanasia is different from wanting no life because all you see is suffering. who are YOU to impose that on nature? Who are you to say who lives or dies because of your worldview?

Euthanasia is different IF the choice is the individual choice. if they do not want the life they are living for whatever reason.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: viktor]
    #23721535 - 10/09/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I no longer wallow in misery - perhaps I have shucked off the vestiges of civilisation?

The real paradox is that there's nothing that can be changed - consciousness will experience yin and yang, and beyond that it will experience earth, water, air and fire, and beyond that it will experience heaven and earth, mountain and lake, water and fire, thunder and wind.

This is true is one is born a man or a mouse, healthy or sick, or even on this planet or a distant one.

Everything else is trivia.




Interesting and well said.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23721554 - 10/09/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

wait, how is that a paradox?


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23721602 - 10/09/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I took it to mean that even though we have a certain freedom, we are still bound by circumstances.  But I suppose you'd have to ask viktor.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23724251 - 10/10/16 04:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe this his been covered already and I missed it but I would give all animals the ability to speak.  Everything.  Condors, brine shrimp, cassowaries, chipmunks, you name it.  I'm not sure about plants but why not.  Add them to the list, too.  It would certainly make this world a very different place.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: DrStupid]
    #23724292 - 10/10/16 05:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I would encourage the walls to have ears as well


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: DrStupid]
    #23724295 - 10/10/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe this his been covered already and I missed it but I would give all animals the ability to speak.  Everything.  Condors, brine shrimp, cassowaries, chipmunks, you name it.  I'm not sure about plants but why not.  Add them to the list, too.  It would certainly make this world a very different place.




twould be better we learn their languages, which many have forgotten


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: zzripz]
    #23724299 - 10/10/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

many what have forgotten what


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23724310 - 10/10/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Animals talk in body language, not with words and shit.

If you understand the body language of cats and dogs they are more expressive than drunk people at least. Birds almost as much.

I can't say I've ever really connected with an insect though but I've heard of people who have.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23724314 - 10/10/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I know this unrealistic but I wish there was a social grading system that would sort people out and you could go out and avoid the assholes. It's not a real big deal. I haven't taken a punch in 35+ years, but sometimes you have to pick up your beer and sit at the other side of the bar just to get away from a jerk. I don't worry about these people because I have friends in the bar and behind the bar, but it's really irritating when 30,60, 90 minutes is ruined by someone's verbal imbecility, when you just wanted to relax. Two good things about my joint is the woman who runs it consults me about who should be barred from the place, and they got a 2nd pool table so if one gets infested with stupidity, just play on the other table.

      I'm sure other people answered this post with high minded ideas about saving the world, but this is my world.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23724339 - 10/10/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I know this unrealistic but I wish there was a social grading system that would sort people out and you could go out and avoid the assholes. It's not a real big deal. I haven't taken a punch in 35+ years, but sometimes you have to pick up your beer and sit at the other side of the bar just to get away from a jerk. I don't worry about these people because I have friends in the bar and behind the bar, but it's really irritating when 30,60, 90 minutes is ruined by someone's verbal imbecility, when you just wanted to relax. Two good things about my joint is the woman who runs it consults me about who should be barred from the place, and they got a 2nd pool table so if one gets infested with stupidity, just play on the other table.

      I'm sure other people answered this post with high minded ideas about saving the world, but this is my world.



one really good solution that works on many levels is to have a handsome and well disposition-ed bouncer paid to oversee the door, and premises.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23727581 - 10/11/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I often wonder what a world would be like if nobody had the ability to lie ...


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: MushroomBilly] * 1
    #23738981 - 10/15/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Without a doubt I would give basic needs to all


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: viktor]
    #23738986 - 10/15/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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viktor said:

I no longer wallow in misery - perhaps I have shucked off the vestiges of civilisation?

The real paradox is that there's nothing that can be changed - consciousness will experience yin and yang, and beyond that it will experience earth, water, air and fire, and beyond that it will experience heaven and earth, mountain and lake, water and fire, thunder and wind.

This is true is one is born a man or a mouse, healthy or sick, or even on this planet or a distant one.

Everything else is trivia.




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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: phio]
    #23740606 - 10/15/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I would change everybodies existence except for mine. so everybody is erased and it is only me.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Thisquestionpls]
    #23841090 - 11/17/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Make people start thinking for themselves and become open minded.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: morpheus85]
    #23842473 - 11/17/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

to take this question seriously
you have to buy into the idea that 'reality' is substantial
and that seems s a serious  :wink: mistake
perhaps even the desire to wake up is part of the dream


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: laughingdog]
    #23842914 - 11/17/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just make everybody take DMT. Problem solved.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23843165 - 11/17/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If I would change one thing about the world, as hateful as it sounds, I would erase any thought that making humans the way we are is a good idea. We are so bad to this earth and the other beautiful creatures that inhabit this world.


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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23843233 - 11/17/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

another hidden implication of the question is that your happiness is dependent on external conditions

from someone as spiritually minded as Mr. viktor, it is indeed strange to propose such a koan on the unsuspecting public


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