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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: viktor]
#23713225 - 10/06/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would get rid of all life.
If no life forms exist on earth, there won't be any suffering of any kind. That is quite a powerful ethical justification. Nobody would suffer and nobody would be deprived of any pleasures because nobody would exist. Win/win.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Alexestalex]
#23713251 - 10/06/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The unexisting will still exist tho.. You'd have to get rid of those who don't exist too..
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: zZZz]
#23713350 - 10/06/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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the planet will be suffering in the emptiness of no life
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: redgreenvines]
#23713364 - 10/06/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No it wouldn't.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Alexestalex]
#23713438 - 10/06/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: I would get rid of all life.
I thought you loved animals? I can understand the scourge of humans, but why the animals?
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23713515 - 10/06/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Animals suffer too. Perhaps more than humans.
"Pleasure is never as pleasant as we expected it to be and pain is always more painful. The pain in the world always outweighs the pleasure. If you don't believe it, compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is eating the other."
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Alexestalex]
#23713547 - 10/06/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: Animals suffer too.
Horseshit. Substantiate for me how you come to the conclusion that animals, in their undisturbed natural habitat 'suffer too' (as you seem to imply they do as humans).
And before you start to go down some path of 'being hunted/starved', consider the fact that perhaps they don't 'consider' that this constitutes 'suffering'. Perhaps that is just pure, undiluted existence to them.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23713733 - 10/06/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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nature is violent and merciless!.. literal dog eat dog competing for survival shit..
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: viktor]
#23713740 - 10/06/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i would make myself the uncontested ruler of earth.. then enact my will on stuff
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: viktor]
#23713753 - 10/06/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would abolish institutionalized religion.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23714105 - 10/06/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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like what is suffering if not physical hardship/pain?
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: quinn] 1
#23714183 - 10/06/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think Jsb has a point that animals do not conceptualize suffering like we do. We get into our own heads about it and brood and feel sorry for ourselves, &c. Animals don't do any of that. They obviously feel pain, but I think they accept it without worry whereas we most often do not. And it's not as if they are in pain all the time; in fact, most ecosystems prior to human encroachment were more than sufficient to maintain a steady population of most all species on average. It can be brutal in nature, but for the most part there is balance and sufficiency. Or was.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23714346 - 10/06/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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don't underestimate animal sentiment, for their own pain or for others. they worry too!
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Alexestalex]
#23714394 - 10/06/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: Animals suffer too. Perhaps more than humans.
"Pleasure is never as pleasant as we expected it to be and pain is always more painful. The pain in the world always outweighs the pleasure. If you don't believe it, compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is eating the other."
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2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
God created the world in 6 days. So 6 days of Labor... On the 7th day he rested. This is the code which is ingrained into our lives. A lot of hardships to appreciate the few pleasures. This is the balance in which God created.
That's the formula right there.... so endure the pain in righteousness and enjoy/reap what you sow.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Leviticus969]
#23714408 - 10/06/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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anything in that bible there about what you would change if you could only change one (or two..) things?
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: redgreenvines]
#23714416 - 10/06/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: don't underestimate animal sentiment, for their own pain or for others. they worry too!
Oh, you're right, animals definitely do worry. But it is apparent that they do not conceptualize their troubles in the form of suffering, at least not in such a bothersome way as we do. Other than the other primates, most animals do not seem to brood, for example.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23714510 - 10/06/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: Oh, you're right, animals definitely do worry.
I imagine it to be more of a stress response due to danger, similar to (or the same as) what we experience. But it doesn't strike me that they'd run off, have a bite to eat, and then sit around thinking about how terrible the world is, and wanting revenge upon it, because it nearly killed them.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23714551 - 10/06/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: redgreenvines]
#23714846 - 10/07/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: anything in that bible there about what you would change if you could only change one (or two..) things?
I would destroy the whole new testament... It's my belief that it's Luciferian... The middle east also believes this. Muslims/Hebrews/Jews claim Jesus to be the false messiah.
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Re: If you could change any one thing about the world [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23714912 - 10/07/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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so you think self knowledge is more relevant to suffering than say, having your toe nails pulled out? im not convinced 
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most ecosystems prior to human encroachment were more than sufficient to maintain a steady population of most all species on average. It can be brutal in nature, but for the most part there is balance and sufficiency. Or was.
this seems wrong imo... i mean prior to human intervention we still had droughts, disease, famine and natural disasters. we've had countless extinctions prior to human intervention, we've even had mass extinction events! conditions change
..and even maintaining stable population group doesnt mean that there isnt a whole lot of suffering going on in the balancing act of survival..
i think reality is harsh and unforgiving for the most part.
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I imagine it to be more of a stress response due to danger, similar to (or the same as) what we experience. But it doesn't strike me that they'd run off, have a bite to eat, and then sit around thinking about how terrible the world is, and wanting revenge upon it, because it nearly killed them.
idk man i think animals would over eat if they were kept in a shitty conditions.. birds pluck out their own feathers in captivity.. i dont think it so different really.. 'woe is me' mental content altho a bit shitty does not seem like the worst of suffering does it?
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