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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: SkagitHunter]
#24119567 - 02/25/17 07:29 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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SkagitHunter said: I don't know man. That looks like psathyrella to me.
I do not think it is Psathyrella, but it isn't Psilocybe. It would help to see the underside.
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#24138522 - 03/05/17 11:49 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just when I thought the season was over, it hails over here in San Francisco. What do these late sub-40's conditions mean for actives?
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Cattlecruiser]
#24139011 - 03/05/17 03:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cattlecruiser said: Just when I thought the season was over, it hails over here in San Francisco. What do these late sub-40's conditions mean for actives?
Well the rain/wet season isn't over, but the active season (allenii & cyans) is pretty much doneski.
This drop in temp and precip doesn't really mean a lot for cyans & allenii this late into the season...Most patches of actives seem to stop fruiting by January/February regardless if it remains cool or if rain continues to fall.
I mean it's not unheard of for some active patches to still push up a random fruit or few during late winter/early spring, (I have even heard of them occasionally being found in the middle of the summer in the bay area in locations that have a lot of fog drip/continuous heavy moisture/cool temps)...but generally speaking, allenii & cyans are done for the season.
Ovoids can be found around this time of year though, late winter/spring time.....tho around California they seem to be far & few between compared to allenii & cyans, not nearly as common but they are out there .
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: openmind]
#24141029 - 03/06/17 11:47 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry new at this, so from reading here, I gather that in this season the best one to look for would be ovoids? It seems from talks that cyans and allenii are out of season.
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Bannannannaman]
#24141240 - 03/06/17 01:25 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yep
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Hamra]
#24143551 - 03/07/17 11:19 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks!
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Bannannannaman]
#24144087 - 03/07/17 02:57 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're basically gonna be looking in the exact same sorts of environments that could support cyans and alleni in fall and winter, so it will be good practice at spotting habitats.
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Hamra]
#24145202 - 03/07/17 11:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi all - not sure if this is the right thread but I found some unidentified actives and was hoping for an ID. First post and first ever find!
Habitat: Damp/wet wood chips. Definitely put there by human landscapers and not natural decomposition. Semi-urban environment. Some small trees adjacent to the mushroom colonies (not sure what species of tree).
Gills: Gills are a greyish black with hints of purple, turning fully black as the mushroom develops and begin to decompose. Some gills attach all the way at the stem while others are shorter and end somewhere in the middle.
Stem: Whitish, pretty fragile, about 1.5cm wide
Cap: Whitish tan, smooth, a little bit slimy. Turns to more tan color with drying.
Spore print color: Very dark, almost black with hints of purple and blue.
Bruising: No distinctive blue bruising but more of a blackish color with hard impacts.
Location: Northern California, near Palo Alto.
Pictures are from a few different harvests on the same patch that I've been going back to occasionally. The first was on 2/10 and the most recent on 2/28. Thanks so much!







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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: cubensises]
#24145303 - 03/08/17 01:44 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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not active
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Gymnopilus aeruginosus Gymnopilus luteofolius Panaeolopsis sp. Panaeolus bispora Panaeolus cinctulus Panaeolus olivaceus Pluteus salicinus Psilocybe allenii Psilocybe azurescens Psilocybe cyanescens Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata Psilocybe pelliculosa Psilocybe semilanceata Psilocybe stuntzii
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: TheHunt]
#24145355 - 03/08/17 02:33 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Leratiomyces percevalii. Just did a DNA extraction on this species 5 minutes ago.
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#24146162 - 03/08/17 11:54 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Leratiomyces Percevalii looks like the correct ID to me. Thanks so much Alan. Looking back I think these percevalii were growing alongside L. Ceres in the same patch.
Is there any good information on the activity/edibility of L. percevalii? Online information seems to be ambiguous but I can say first hand that these are at least mildly active
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: cubensises]
#24146300 - 03/08/17 01:14 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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The experience you perceived was placebo, this genus produces no psychoactive compounds.
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: inski]
#24146653 - 03/08/17 03:29 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Makes sense - thanks inski. Definitely understood that placebo was a possibility due to the mildness of the experience.
Is there not some (extremely unlikely) chance that I've stumbled upon a novel species though that does produce compounds in small amounts? Sorry if that's a dumb question. I have at the moment only a basic understanding of fungal genetics but I know that we are yet to identify a great number of unique species and that some of those are bound to be active.
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: cubensises] 1
#24146779 - 03/08/17 04:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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You shouldnt have ate anything you are not sure of the edibility.
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Gymnopilus aeruginosus Gymnopilus luteofolius Panaeolopsis sp. Panaeolus bispora Panaeolus cinctulus Panaeolus olivaceus Pluteus salicinus Psilocybe allenii Psilocybe azurescens Psilocybe cyanescens Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata Psilocybe pelliculosa Psilocybe semilanceata Psilocybe stuntzii
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: TheHunt]
#24146780 - 03/08/17 04:18 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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"There are bold mushroom hunters. There are old mushroom hunters. There are no bold old mushroom hunters."
"All mushrooms are edible. Some only once.."
Dont die.
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Gymnopilus aeruginosus Gymnopilus luteofolius Panaeolopsis sp. Panaeolus bispora Panaeolus cinctulus Panaeolus olivaceus Pluteus salicinus Psilocybe allenii Psilocybe azurescens Psilocybe cyanescens Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata Psilocybe pelliculosa Psilocybe semilanceata Psilocybe stuntzii
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: TheHunt]
#24147284 - 03/08/17 07:52 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cubensises....any woodloving species, which these resemble, will bruise blue where damaged. The one species you should be able to find soon in your area is ovoids. Season is recently past on all other wood-lovers. Read up on ovoids on the site - particularly west coast finds - to equip yourself with the knowledge to succeed. Looking around out of season and finding random mushies is great practice ....just don't eat them without positive ID. People die annually from that behavior. Get someone with knowledge from this site to positively ID anything before considering consuming. Symptoms of mushroom poisoning range from severe gastrointestinal distress to liver failure and death - with no treatment or intervention possible.
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Hamra]
#24147407 - 03/08/17 08:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I appreciate the concern and I'm very aware that eating unidentified species is a very bad idea. At the time I thought I had a positive ID, I had been researching for months before heading out to harvest.
I had researched all of the local toxic species and my harvest didn't match any descriptions. I initially thought they were an unknown psilocybe due to their general similarities to that genus and ate some as a test under that assumption. Of course I wouldn't do it again. Didn't discover this thread/forum until today so definitely will be posting any future finds (next season ) here before consumption. Thanks again to everybody, especially Hamra for the friendly tone much appreciated
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: cubensises]
#24147630 - 03/08/17 10:18 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ovoids occur soon and throughout summer. They are not as widespread as fall woodlovers, and have only been known for the last decade or so, but appear to be be spreading on the west coast. I hope to find some myself this season.
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Hamra]
#24147641 - 03/08/17 10:23 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ovoids are actually found with some regularity throughout spring and summer in Seattle where I'm from, but that hadnt become widely known before I moved to LA 6 yrs ago, so I havent had the chance to find them yet. They are unique in their adaptablity and seem to be spreading rapidly!
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 [Re: Hamra] 1
#24147728 - 03/08/17 11:28 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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cubensises said: Is there any good information on the activity/edibility of L. percevalii? Online information seems to be ambiguous but I can say first hand that these are at least mildly active
I know one hippie from Santa Cruz who ate Leratiomyces ceres and he said they got him high, but also diarrhea.
Another person has told me that he has felt effects from eating raw fresh L. percevalii on various occasions. Not psilocybin, but something. Not sure if it's better to classify it as a drug, toxin or placebo.
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TheHunt said: "There are bold mushroom hunters. There are old mushroom hunters. There are no bold old mushroom hunters."
"All mushrooms are edible. Some only once.."
Neither of those sayings are true. There are many old, bold mushroom hunters - some of the more famous ones are Charles McIlvaine, Larry Stickney and David Arora. The first two died of natural causes unrelated to fungi, and David is still testing all sorts of mushrooms with unknown edibility. He was the first person to eat Amanita velosa, which turned out to be one of California's best edibles.
The second saying is not true because the definition of edible is "fit to be eaten".
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Hamra said: just don't eat them without positive ID. People die annually from that behavior.
Those people are looking for dinner and get death caps though - it's been about 40 years since anyone has died trying to get high on psilocybin mushrooms.
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