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DavidReishi
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: DavidReishi]
#23885451 - 12/01/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybe allenii today at three spots from last year or the year prior.
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: DavidReishi] 1
#23885800 - 12/01/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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After searching for probably 100 miles around central Contra Costa county over the past couple months, I finally found more patches today. I found 4 new patches, each conveniently side by side. The mushies were quite small, but I went ahead and harvested them anyway because the caps had gone dry (likely stunted and dried out by the cold).
What are your guy's word on harvesting small dried out mushies (light almond colored caps)? Go for it? Or should I have left some of these in the ground? I couldn't imagine these growing much more, though I suppose they would have a little. I did leave most that had hydrated orange caps.
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Byrain

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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: Californian]
#23885815 - 12/01/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks fine, just be sure to leave the habitat as intact as possible. When collecting mushrooms for personal consumption (Edibles) I try to not take everything in the patch and leave some of the younger specimens behind.
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DavidReishi
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: Californian]
#23885818 - 12/01/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You did right. We're in for some dry ass days. Awesome finds!
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: DavidReishi]
#23885832 - 12/01/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I found one!... (1) cyan. But it's something.
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WhyDidiDoThis
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: DavidReishi]
#23885856 - 12/01/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DavidReishi said:
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Sirtalis said:

Try making gallons of spawn out of stem butts and let me know how long it takes.

Will do.
Can we see inside your bags Dave?
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DavidReishi
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#23885995 - 12/01/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh you know you'll get to.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Sirtalis



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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: DavidReishi]
#23886364 - 12/02/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If the small mushrooms haven't opened their veil I wouldn't harvest. If it's a location far away I'd harvest the mature fruits and leave the pins. Part of the reason most hunters here aren't finding their known patches are fruiting this season is because they didn't leave enough fruits to die naturally. This decreases the genetic diversity essential to the patch, lowering it's chances of adapting to environmental changes, thus lowering it's survival rate.
Edited by Sirtalis (12/02/16 12:36 AM)
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WhyDidiDoThis
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: Sirtalis]
#23886378 - 12/02/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The one patch found yesterday. (Oops, still on the camera in car.)
Found two today. 1
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Going out again tommorow. 9 more new places to hunt.
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DavidReishi
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: Sirtalis]
#23886387 - 12/02/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sirtalis said: Part of the reason most hunters here aren't finding their known patches are fruiting this season is because they didn't leave enough fruits to die naturally.
I don't think there's any truth in this. It's the drought.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: DavidReishi]
#23886417 - 12/02/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Words from Roger Rabbit, someone with way more experience than you David:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14006090#14006090
Maybe you should pick less and your patches will survive.
Edited by Sirtalis (12/02/16 01:23 AM)
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DavidReishi
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: Sirtalis]
#23886427 - 12/02/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Irrelevant. What we're dealing with here in the Bay area is a drought. That's why so few patches are fruiting.
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: Sirtalis]
#23886439 - 12/02/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sirtalis said: Words from Roger Rabbit https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14006090#14006090
Maybe you should pick less and your patches will survive.
This has be shown time and again to be be the case, I think it's called Population Dynamics. I remember reading that conservation groups estimate that something like 2/3 of the population needs to be left to swap genetic for it to continue to be healthy, I assume that a generalization because breeding habits are different depending what you're looking at.
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Byrain

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To be fair the amount of spores mature mushrooms eject is baffling that it does not really matter so much if you do not destroy the habitat or pick all the immature specimens. Of course leaving some is a good thing as it increases the chances of healthy diversity. That said even though reishi is often wrong about most things he is right the poor season is largely a result of the years long drought California has been experiencing.
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WhyDidiDoThis
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Man. I seen some great healthy tall Alleniis last week. All were black in spores 50-60 easy. Was beautiful. So, is there a way to trigger heavy sporing? It would be easy to just let them do their thing first. I notice the less humid the less spores.
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Sirtalis



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Sirtalis said: Words from Roger Rabbit https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14006090#14006090
Maybe you should pick less and your patches will survive.
This has be shown time and again to be be the case, I think it's called Population Dynamics. I remember reading that conservation groups estimate that something like 2/3 of the population needs to be left to swap genetic for it to continue to be healthy, I assume that a generalization because breeding habits are different depending what you're looking at.
Just curious are you talking about fungi exclusively, or populations of species in general? What's interesting to me is the population dynamics involved with dikaryotic mycelium. I can grasp the concept of how animal/plant populations need genetic diversity to survive, Yet spores from a "parent" are necessary to population survival for fungi, aka patch survival. But where's the inbreeding with fungi? Doesn't seem to exist.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: Byrain]
#23886489 - 12/02/16 02:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wasn't saying David was wrong so much as RR was right about the importance of leaving fruits to do their natural thing.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: Sirtalis]
#23886491 - 12/02/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was speaking about populations in general but I'm sure those same rules somewhat apply to all organisms.
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Byrain

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I don't entirely agree with that, population dynamics are pretty clear with animals and plants, but organisms like fungi, bacteria or viruses (If you consider those) have different means of reproduction which aren't quite as limited. RR is right to some degree, but I think he's underestimating the reproduction capabilities and adaptations of wild mushrooms. Although I do not have a hard source for this off hand, but there was supposedly a long term experiment in the PNW where chantarelles were entirely collected from one section of the forest while a nearby section was left untouched. Over time the area that was harvested extensively became to produce far more fruiting bodies than the untouched area, my hypothesis is that many mushrooms have adapted to various animals removing, stepping, eating or otherwise messing with their reproduction cycle much in the same way chaparral habitats have adapted to routine fires and require this for a healthy ecosystem (While fire suppression for so many decades changed fires from healthy to devastating...).
From my own observations of overly destructive and idiotic logging practices by uneducated, ignorant or heartless loggers and outright greedy employers it is pretty clear that the worst thing that can happen for mushrooms is habitat loss and destruction. My point about reishi was that he is not capable of debate and attempting such with him is an entire waste of time, even if he is right sometimes.
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DavidReishi
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Re: OFFICIAL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ACTIVES 2016 [Re: Sirtalis]
#23886855 - 12/02/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not sure the genetic diversity argument is logical anyway. The genetics of an established bed of mycelium don't change because more spores are added on top of it. The organism is already alive and has a particular genetic identity, and that doesn't change from season to season (baring mutation).
-------------------- Species found in the Bay area: P. allenii, P. cyanescens, P. ovoideocystidiata, P. stuntzii, P. azurescens
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