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justmethebeast
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Casing? Cubensis?
#23710756 - 10/05/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So if I'm doing GT Cubes and was going the route of coir+gypsum+verm then am I not supposed to case it with the extra verm+coir? I read from RR that casing cubes is basically pointless as it just adds an extra week for contams to come in. But does that apply with this method?
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justmethebeast
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Re: Casing? Cubensis? [Re: amidogen]
#23710884 - 10/05/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm colonizing WBS at the moment and it's near ready for spawn to the tub. I plan to use coir + verm as a substrate and so does that mean I don't "case" it with the extra coir+verm you're supposed to leave to do so?
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freespeech
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Re: Casing? Cubensis? [Re: amidogen]
#23710902 - 10/05/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You've described using a standard coir-based bulk substrate, which is great. Casing is optional. Some will say do it and some will say not - there's no right answer. I would recommend avoiding it.
If anything, when you spawn to your substrate, make sure you have a bit of extra substrate material leftover and use that to cover the top of the mixed grain/substrate in the tub with a thin layer of just substrate. This isn't casing, it's just ensuring that no spawn grains are exposed to the surface. This is also optional, though.
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freespeech
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Okay, I think I see what you're talking about. I think you are confused about what "casing" means vs what I described.
What I described is part of the spawning process: apply a thin layer of your regular substrate material to the top of your freshly mixed spawn/substrate. This is a standard technique but it is certainly optional.
"Casing" is different. A casing layer is applied after the substrate is colonized but before you fruit it. I don't recommend casing, at least not for what you're doing.
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Kenetic
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I would highly suggest covering your sub with a 1/4" of your coir/verm substrate.
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Mushierage
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Re: Casing? Cubensis? [Re: Kenetic]
#23711245 - 10/05/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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kenetic said: I would highly suggest covering your sub with a 1/4" of your coir/verm substrate.
Op, Doesn't have to be much really. You don't even have to wait for casing to colonize really. Just something to hold together a microclimate until primordia formation. You can fruit immediately after casing. You can fruit immediately after spawning -and- casing for that matter.
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Casing? Cubensis? [Re: Kenetic]
#23712060 - 10/06/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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kenetic said: I would highly suggest covering your sub with a 1/4" of your coir/verm substrate.
Cubes may not need a casing to fruit but it's still very beneficial. It doesn't even require any extra work if you are casing with coir.
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spore-ty



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Quote:
Supalemonhaze said:
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kenetic said: I would highly suggest covering your sub with a 1/4" of your coir/verm substrate.
Cubes may not need a casing to fruit but it's still very beneficial. It doesn't even require any extra work if you are casing with coir.
Now this is what im still dumbfounded about all i see is casing is non nutritious so in theory by adding coir your just adding more sub and water
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Re: Casing? Cubensis? [Re: spore-ty]
#23712485 - 10/06/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well even though it is nutritious it's is not there for food...mine never colonizes.
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Mushierage
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Re: Casing? Cubensis? [Re: cronicr]
#23712689 - 10/06/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coir is like a judge. He's the backbone of the proceeding, and won't bother you until you feed him bullshit. Then he puts you in jail...And gives you trich.
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Th3Issu3
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i don't case shit, works for me.....
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Mushierage
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Re: Casing? Cubensis? [Re: Th3Issu3]
#23712801 - 10/06/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly the purpose of casing is to just make the surface microclimate the best possible for pins, and to get them water more easily when they grow out. If you can do that without a casing, that's great. But I bet you're loving your sub more than I love mine. I personally don't like to pay my sub too much attention, and casing allows me to ignore my grow without worry of the surface ever being too dry.
Casing is a proven and vetted method to increase yields. Not using one does not equal failure, but there is a reason why people case.
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bodhisatta 
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I don't think it's proven to increase shit  It just helps with genetic cultures that don't do as well uncased. It can help sometimes to reach potential but it doesn't magically make more mushrooms

As for leaving it alone. This is uncased and 0 maintenance.
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Mushierage
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It is magic. Black magic. Or, is it voodoo.
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cronicr



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It doest increase yield.
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Mushierage
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Re: Casing? Cubensis? [Re: cronicr]
#23712841 - 10/06/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not really arguing semantics, my point was it protects the sub and mycelium (and my pins). Some of my grows aren't in Monotubs either, some are trays in an SGFC and tend to dry out faster, but I just like casing in general.
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