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insaecula
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hay?
#23710730 - 10/05/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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can hay be used instead of straw?
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azur
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Hay is NOT a type of straw. But, no. Use straw. A very small amount of hay can be used as supplementation, but must be sterilized instead of pasteurized. Stick with straw for now.
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23710949 - 10/05/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wheat straw is pretty easy to get ahold of, if you look around you can find it already shredded & save yourself a dirty job!
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azur
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23711828 - 10/05/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23711987 - 10/06/16 01:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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azur said: Hay is NOT a type of straw.
Isn't hay the young version of straw?
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Inocuole
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Quote:
Supalemonhaze said:
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azur said: Hay is NOT a type of straw.
Isn't hay the young version of straw?
You're not being serious are you..?
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PirateSwazey


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Me tinks dat grass is the "young version" of straw mon
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Inocuole said:
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Supalemonhaze said:
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azur said: Hay is NOT a type of straw.
Isn't hay the young version of straw?
You're not being serious are you..?
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PirateSwazey


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So I was thinking about this straw vs hay thing while I was prepping grain earlier so I poked around a little bit to find out the difference because I really didn't know myself.
Here's what I found:

Hay is basically "young straw," and is more like the sinsemilla of a grass. Hay is mostly used for feeding livestock because it is more nutritious than the straw byproduct. Stamets says that hay is about 60% higher in nitrogen content and not as suited for mushroom cultivation because it's hot, this makes it more prone to contamination than straw. Hay can be used as more of a supplement than for aeration or pure substrate as with straw, but hay needs to be sterilized whereas, as you all know, straw is fine to use with just pasteurization.
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bodhisatta 
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Hay is closer to grain spawn then it is to straw when it comes to this hobby
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azur
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23713233 - 10/06/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PirateSwazey said: So I was thinking about this straw vs hay thing while I was prepping grain earlier so I poked around a little bit to find out the difference because I really didn't know myself.
Here's what I found:

Hay is basically "young straw," and is more like the sinsemilla of a grass. Hay is mostly used for feeding livestock because it is more nutritious than the straw byproduct. Stamets says that hay is about 60% higher in nitrogen content and not as suited for mushroom cultivation because it's hot, this makes it more prone to contamination than straw. Hay can be used as more of a supplement than for aeration or pure substrate as with straw, but hay needs to be sterilized whereas, as you all know, straw is fine to use with just pasteurization.

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azur said: Hay is NOT a type of straw. But, no. Use straw. A very small amount of hay can be used as supplementation, but must be sterilized instead of pasteurized. Stick with straw for now.
Hey and straw are very different. I'll explain it for the 1000th time in a little while.
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PirateSwazey said: So I was thinking about this straw vs hay thing while I was prepping grain earlier so I poked around a little bit to find out the difference because I really didn't know myself.
Here's what I found:

Hay is basically "young straw,"

This is incorrect as well. Hay is alfalfa or grass! You are correct in that grass hay is harvested before it goes to seed. Straw is the stem of various cereals. This is not to be confused with the term "straw" used in the mushroom cultivation industry to describe a variety of substrates.
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azur
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 City stickers be quiet please.
Yes, straw is the stem left over after various grains are harvested with a combined. It is used as a bedding for animals. Hay is a type grass or legumes that are grown to seeing then cut, raked, baled, and finally fed to animals.
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23713321 - 10/06/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not sure if you're talking to me azur, but my dad grows hay, alfalfa hay. Grass hay is also grown in this area. On top of that, I'm in the heart of dry-land wheat country, so pretty aware of what straw is...so not sure why you're correcting what I said.
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azur
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I was talking to anyone who didn't know what they were talking about, and no one directly. We didn't grow much grain other than corn, so I didn't fuck with straw, but growing up in bailed 2,200 bales of hay (Timothy, alfalfa, clover, Kentucky bluegrass, and orchard grass) a day every summer. Guess all I'm saying is, when it comes to straw and hay, I'm willing to bet I know more than most guys here or whatever Google tells you.
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23713339 - 10/06/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hear that! Summers in Iowa at my granddads...not fun work.
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azur
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Ah. It's fun though. But damn is it work. Fuck. I've got 40some acres to bale next summer in NC if you want to help
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23713382 - 10/06/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's fun work but it never ends. Speaking of which, I should be splitting wood right about now...
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Mycolorado
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23713564 - 10/06/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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azur said: Ah. It's fun though. But damn is it work. Fuck. I've got 40some acres to bale next summer in NC if you want to help 
Ugh...the humidity in NC has to be equal to or worse than that in Iowa, which is hard to beat...NO WAY!
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azur
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Damn. Had to ask
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23713571 - 10/06/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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azur said: Ah. It's fun though. But damn is it work. Fuck. I've got 40some acres to bale next summer in NC if you want to help 
im in. ill work for mush.
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azur
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I'll plan on it then...
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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23713800 - 10/06/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey Hey Hey!
I've bailed a few bales of hay in my day....grew up with 24 horses.
All I really know is that horses eat hay but won't eat straw. Maybe mushies are the opposite lol.
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I wish my horses wouldn't eat straw. They don't eat it much as hay, but they definitely munch on some straw.
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PirateSwazey


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Can hay not come from wheat, oats, barley, etc? I was under the impression that it can be harvested from many different types of grass
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azur
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No, it can not. The things you mentioned were grain. Grain is harvested and the stalks left behind are straw. Think like this: Rye grass seed is a very small seed that grows grass (which if grown tall enough could be made into hay, through not usually) Rye berries are a grain, in which was harvested by a combined and whose stalks become straw.
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bodhisatta 
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hay is grown to be hay. straw provides grains then after it's combined it is bailed and that's straw.
I guess you could technically make hay from oat or wheat(probably been tried once in human history) but most of the crop is too valuable to make it into feed livestock
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Yep there's wheat and oat hay. Shitty compared to Timothy and alfalfa. At least for horses. Even too much alfalfa for horses is bad, whereas you can feed pure alfalfa to goats. Fricken goats..
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PirateSwazey


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Re: hay? [Re: azur]
#23714822 - 10/07/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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azur said: No, it can not. The things you mentioned were grain. Grain is harvested and the stalks left behind are straw. Think like this: Rye grass seed is a very small seed that grows grass (which if grown tall enough could be made into hay, through not usually) Rye berries are a grain, in which was harvested by a combined and whose stalks become straw.
Right right I gotcha. Since rye and oats and the like are grown to harvest the seed it doesn't make any sense for most farmers to make hay out of them.
Fuckin goats man. One day Id like to get a couple and pimp them to all these inner city hipsters for lawnmowers.
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