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OfflineLelliott
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14 days no pins help!
    #23710601 - 10/05/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey all, it's my first time trying to grow my own and I could use some help. I started my batch on August 9th and the mecilium took about 5 weeks to fully colonize. About two weeks ago I birthed the cakes, dunked them for about 20 hours and set up the chamber for fruiting. It's day 14 now and even though the cakes look good (to me anyway) and there are no odors I still haven't seen any pins. The cakes have a little fuzz on them since day 2 but that's about it. The temp was at 76 for most of it with humidity at 86 to 88%. Since I hadn't seen any pins and had been doing some research in the last few days I decided to lower the temp bit. It's not at about 73 degrees. Should I be worried? Oh, and the kit I have has an air pump so fresh air gets pumped in for an hour twice a day. I also open it everyday to check on it and occationally fan it myself for good measure. Pics are attached. One of the pics shows the room it's in to show how much light it's getting.



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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Lelliott]
    #23710609 - 10/05/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

1. Did you let them consolidate?

2.  Where are the holes in your fruiting chamber?

Read the Bit about your air pump.  Not a fan.  You need an SGFC, dude.  They work great.  But whateva. 

Air pumping in twice a day is not enough.  Try pumping air in 10 times an hour, all day every day. 

That's why a passive system like then SGFC works.  Why not use it?  Air pumps, incubators, cool misters (unless using tents) are really a rookie move and often help you fuck your grow up fast if you don't know what you're doing. 

Your cakes need air man.  Point blank.  You're suffocating them.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Mushierage]
    #23710623 - 10/05/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey thanks for the reply. I'm not sure what you mean by letting them consolidate. As for the holes, the kit didn't mention making any holes. There is one hole where the air pump tube when in but that's it. The air pump is scheduled to go off twice a day for an hour each time. I also open the lid every day to check on the cakes and sometimes fan them for a minute or so.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Mushierage]
    #23710625 - 10/05/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

SGFC. perlite cant do its thing without airflow coming up from the bottom.
that sealed off chamber is contributing to the slow pinning.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Lelliott]
    #23710631 - 10/05/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Lelliott said:
Hey thanks for the reply. I'm not sure what you mean by letting them consolidate. As for the holes, the kit didn't mention making any holes. There is one hole where the air pump tube when in but that's it. The air pump is scheduled to go off twice a day for an hour each time. I also open the lid every day to check on the cakes and sometimes fan them for a minute or so.




consolidate - letting the cakes go for another week after visual consolidation.

a KIT?!?!?!??! ahhhhh nooo.

please provide more details. we need to tweek that shit kit you got :p


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Mushierage]
    #23710636 - 10/05/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They look fine you should mist time every time you fan. Air pump system works fine if you fan and mist as well at least twice a day. Given the fact the cakes are two months old they should pin soon. Those full 250 ml jars do pin faster then the 500 ml jars so give it another week. I've had cakes that never pinned it turned out to be a bad batch of rice flour so if the cakes do not ever pin change your source of rice and vermiculite.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: mushboy]
    #23710649 - 10/05/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Look up SGFC.  Get a tub and follow the specs on designing it to the T.  Then transfer everything you got into it.  Dump your Perlite right in it, then the cakes from whorever you have them staged to put in the new fruiting chamber. Then save that pump for your next fish tank. 


This will help you immensely.  Your first problem was buying into a kit, but you did get this far.  That's not bad for a first timer buying a lot that often fails and is horribly overpriced. 

Seriously.  Start making your SGFC.  Get another tub at a dollar store or even use the one you got, and make the switch.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: rider420]
    #23710658 - 10/05/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They look fine you should mist time every time you fan. Air pump system works fine if you fan and mist as well at least twice a day. Given the fact the cakes are two months old they should pin soon. Those full 250 ml jars do pin faster then the 500 ml jars so give it another week. I've had cakes that never pinned it turned out to be a bad batch of rice flour so if the cakes do not ever pin change your source of rice and vermiculite.




The air pump system he has described is -not- fine no matter how man god damn times he mists.  This is just bad info.  Mycelium needs constant air exchanges.  How would you feel if you only took two big breaths of air a day? 

Trust me.  Air pumps are a failure vector for newbs, no offense.  Get rid of it and use an SGFC.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Mushierage]
    #23710666 - 10/05/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks mushierage! I'll definitely start looking.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: rider420]
    #23710671 - 10/05/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)


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rider420 said: if the cakes do not ever pin change your source of rice and vermiculite.




:justno:


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Lelliott]
    #23710675 - 10/05/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Here's a good guide to making an SGFC:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542

Super simple.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Greg]
    #23710686 - 10/05/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you Greg, I was looking for a design thread but ridiculously enough couldn't find one UTSE


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Lelliott]
    #23710690 - 10/05/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Lelliott said:
Hey all, it's my first time trying to grow my own and I could use some help. I started my batch on August 9th and the mecilium took about 5 weeks to fully colonize. About two weeks ago I birthed the cakes, dunked them for about 20 hours and set up the chamber for fruiting. It's day 14 now and even though the cakes look good (to me anyway) and there are no odors I still haven't seen any pins. The cakes have a little fuzz on them since day 2 but that's about it. The temp was at 76 for most of it with humidity at 86 to 88%. Since I hadn't seen any pins and had been doing some research in the last few days I decided to lower the temp bit. It's not at about 73 degrees. Should I be worried? Oh, and the kit I have has an air pump so fresh air gets pumped in for an hour twice a day. I also open it everyday to check on it and occationally fan it myself for good measure. Pics are attached. One of the pics shows the room it's in to show how much light it's getting.





Hey man your cakes do look good but you should definitely buy a drill bit and drill smaller than pencil size holes about every inch or 2 all over the sides and bottom of your container. That's what a SGFC is. Also consolidating is when your jars have reached 100% colonization and you let them sit for an extra week so the mycelium can eat and establish itself. Since you didn't do that your cakes will sit there for awhile before they will pin. Also you should put a pile of vermiculite on the top of each cake. It REALLY helps with moisture and how much you get your 1st flush. Just spray directly onto it whenever it looks dry along with misting and fanning your chamber. Good luck dude. You should also look up the Dunk and Roll. This helps a bunch too with maintaining moisture for the 1st flush.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Kalsticky]
    #23710765 - 10/05/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Kalsticky said:
Hey man your cakes do look good but you should definitely buy a drill bit and drill smaller than pencil size holes about every inch or 2 all over the sides and bottom of your container. That's what a SGFC is. Also consolidating is when your jars have reached 100% colonization and you let them sit for an extra week so the mycelium can eat and establish itself. Since you didn't do that your cakes will sit there for awhile before they will pin. Also you should put a pile of vermiculite on the top of each cake. It REALLY helps with moisture and how much you get your 1st flush. Just spray directly onto it whenever it looks dry along with misting and fanning your chamber. Good luck dude. You should also look up the Dunk and Roll. This helps a bunch too with maintaining moisture for the 1st flush.





Hey thanks! That's reassurring. I will make some adjustments.


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Lelliott]
    #23710824 - 10/05/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Lelliott said:
Quote:

Kalsticky said:
Hey man your cakes do look good but you should definitely buy a drill bit and drill smaller than pencil size holes about every inch or 2 all over the sides and bottom of your container. That's what a SGFC is. Also consolidating is when your jars have reached 100% colonization and you let them sit for an extra week so the mycelium can eat and establish itself. Since you didn't do that your cakes will sit there for awhile before they will pin. Also you should put a pile of vermiculite on the top of each cake. It REALLY helps with moisture and how much you get your 1st flush. Just spray directly onto it whenever it looks dry along with misting and fanning your chamber. Good luck dude. You should also look up the Dunk and Roll. This helps a bunch too with maintaining moisture for the 1st flush.





Hey thanks! That's reassurring. I will make some adjustments.



No worries dude, btw the 2 pictures below my quote are from a BRF cake grow i did a few years ago. Everything i told you i did with those and the pics speak for them selves. Hang in there, i'm sure they'll pin very soon. The left is Treasure Coast and the right is Mexicube.


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"Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering its a feather bed.”
― Terence McKenna

T.C.                                    Mexicube.                        P.C.            Brazilian


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Re: 14 days no pins help! [Re: Kalsticky]
    #23710872 - 10/05/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Your fruiting chamber isn't great. Turn that thing into a shotgun chamber and ditch the air pump. If you keep it as-is, I'd probably crack the lid or do something to get more fresh air. FAE > humidity

Either way, keep misting and fanning, and be patient.


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