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viktor
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: beforethedawn]
#23730178 - 10/12/16 03:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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beforethedawn said: if you want an explanation for the world . . . are you ready for this?
ALMOST EVERYONE IS LITERALLY INSANE.
EVERYONE.
So true - but our egos don't let us admit that to ourselves because insanity is a sign of weakness and I'M JUST TOO FUCKING AWRSOME
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: viktor]
#23730246 - 10/12/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't help it. Objectively speaking, I am pretty fucking awesome.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: DrStupid]
#23730264 - 10/12/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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But, seriously, I agree that at some point in the future, it is possible that humans could experience a "mass awakening". I'd like to see it in my lifetime but I hold little hope for it actually happening. In my experience, humanity could best be described as psychotic hairless apes. Humans are very clever animals what with our giant neocortexes and our fancy opposable thumbs but the bulk of us do our thinking with the lizard brain. Those of us who have freed ourselves from primarily operating on that circuit have a responsibility, in my opinion, to help further the enlightenment of others. And that's about the best we can do. I fear humans in their current form are far too primitive to achieve a mass raising of consciousness.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: DrStupid]
#23730355 - 10/12/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DrStupid said: I fear humans in their current form are far too primitive to achieve a mass raising of consciousness.
Well we're just going to have to go around stuffing shrooms down people's throats.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: viktor]
#23730408 - 10/12/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would be down with that
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: viktor]
#23732743 - 10/12/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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viktor said:
At least things make sense in the trenches, unlike having schizophrenia.
I notice the term "schizophrenia" is used a lot by many people.
But most of the symptoms are experienced by everyone.
I'm occasionally paranoid and delusional. I certainly hear voices in my head.
I sometimes experience mental confusion, and a false belief of superiority.
I hallucinate every night when I go to sleep.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23732863 - 10/12/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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viktor said:
At least things make sense in the trenches, unlike having schizophrenia.
I notice the term "schizophrenia" is used a lot by many people.
But most of the symptoms are experienced by everyone.
I'm occasionally paranoid and delusional. I certainly hear voices in my head.
I sometimes experience mental confusion, and a false belief of superiority.
I hallucinate every night when I go to sleep.
Go from "I sometimes experience mental confusion" to "I'm permanently crippled by paralysing confusion which waxes and wanes at random throughout the day and night" and you might have a better idea.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: viktor]
#23732982 - 10/13/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see people paralyzed with confusion everywhere.
I don't mean to make light of anyone's suffering.
I just think there's a lot of bias about whose suffering is worse.
PTSD folks say their suffering is worse than other people.
Bipolar folks say their suffering is worse than other people.
ADHD folks say their suffering is worse than other people.
We need to accept the fact this is life, and stop fighting it.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23733035 - 10/13/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't say it was worse, I said it was more confusing.
In any case, if you go to an actual mental health unit, you will see that there are a large proportion of schizophrenics there.
No-one ever had to go into a mental health unit because of ADHD.
I also doubt that ADHD sufferers would say they had it worse than schizophrenics, that's like saying the caffeine jitters I have right now is as bad as terminal cancer.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: viktor]
#23740820 - 10/15/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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To be more clear, everyone suffers with negativity, depression, anxiety, and trauma.
Let's say I experience depression. Then I talk to a "specialist" who says I have a "mental illness" and need medication to correct my malfunctioning brain. Aren't I adopting the perspective, quantitatively, I experience more "depression" than "normal" people?
That, within the realm of the experience of depression, I have it "worse" than normal people?
I find an egotistical aspect to all of these "diagnostic" labels.
How in the fucking world does anyone really know that a "schizophrenic" or someone with rage-driven violence, or a rapist, or child abuser, is experiencing more suffering than anyone else? It's 100% conjecture.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23740880 - 10/15/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably because those outside societies comfort zone are made to suffer. Even knowing or imagining the pain someone or everyone will cause you. Seeing things before just knowing how dumb people who are predictable react and treat you.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23741205 - 10/16/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
How in the fucking world does anyone really know that a "schizophrenic" or someone with rage-driven violence, or a rapist, or child abuser, is experiencing more suffering than anyone else? It's 100% conjecture.
I'm guessing that you are a victim of male infant genital mutilation, am I correct?
I guess this because if you hadn't been you would probably have the natural empathy to understand.
It isn't 100% conjecture to say that, in the context of a mental hospital where people are only admitted if they are clearly and evidently suffering intensely, a large proportion of schizophrenics there suggests that schizophrenia brings with it more suffering than a regular condition.
If you'd ever been admitted to a mental health unit you would know that the proportion of schizophrenics in one is far, far higher than the 1% of the regular population who have the condition.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: viktor]
#23741211 - 10/16/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyway, if you suffer enough you will come out the other side and realise that this is pointless suffering, like the OP.
So there is no contest of who has suffered the most, because he who suffers most becomes liberated first and thus suffers least.
This is why beforethedawn speaks the most truth here (even though he is fucking crazy).
He has seen beyond, simple as.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: viktor]
#23741256 - 10/16/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hahaha.
You know I was sitting at my favourite coffee shop the other day and heard them discussing me.
What stood out the most was the phrase "fucking crazy".
hahahaha

If you find Turiya/God you instantly go beautifully insane. Ramana Maharshi said it was a kind of madness.
It gives you total freedom, that is crazy in this society, and will always appear so, but truthfully they are not crazy but masochistic, having rejected the bliss of God.
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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: beforethedawn]
#23741316 - 10/16/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perhaps it is going beautifully insane that leads to finding Turiya?
Because I have also been through some long periods of ugly insane but did not find God in any of those times. In fact it was these times in which I felt I was most separated from God.
Perhaps I am naturally a bit dull-witted and needed to be separated from God by a long distance in order to figure out what needed to be done?
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