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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: demiu5]
    #23711625 - 10/05/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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a ripple in a sea of obstacles, especially negativity, is much less likely able to spread.



And that, my good sir, is exactly why I'm working on extricating myself from the toxicity of city life asap.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: demiu5] * 1
    #23711637 - 10/05/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Nah, I think humans are just fucking up bigtime.  There is horrible injustice.....





agreed, wholeheartedly. just don't forget, you and i are essentially an equal part of the fucking-up



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....and to take your stance is to willingly allow it to continue.  I'm not an activist (though I try to hold onto the right ideas), but I think activism is wholly preferable to the passivity you promulgate.







it's not a matter of taking a stance, in this situation.  99.5% (modest guesstimate) of us are culpable members of the problem.  nothing short of a complete reversal of just about everything WE know and do throughout life would alter that culpability.  in short, activism (activists) may help curb an almost insignificant portion of the "fucking-up."  certainly that's good for some emotional gratification.  mutual masturbation never hurt anyone. 

passivity is not that big of a problem, imo; not like activity geared in the right direction, on a global level, will help much at this point.  however, i'm of the hedonistic verging on semi-nihilistic/semi-stoic camp.  if shit's not able to be reverted/restored to what it was even just 150-250 years ago, then fuck it!  let's enjoy the ever-loving-shit out of this experience we call life and consistently/chronically take for granted, while aiming to reduce the harm we induce. 


i see this daily living in the rainforest (or what was once rainforest, with patches here and there) and working fuel reduction/forest restoration.  i could destroy my body working 5-6 days/week for the rest of my life by myself, and maybe restore ~80 acres of land total to how it was before white-men cut down all the ancient-growth and old-growth trees.  taking the whole of registered citizens in southern humboldt (let's say ~6k people excluding elderly/disabled/non-working youth) throughout their lifetimes working 5-6 days a week, you're still only looking at under 600k acres that would be restored/thinned.  and this is inaccurate, as previously thinned places need to be cleaned repeatedly every 5-15 years (thank god for wildfire!).  this is one example covering a few million square acres of one of the largest states in the USA, which isn't that large in the scheme of the world (or the Amazon rainforest which is all but gone, compared to its history)



the planet is not fucked.  the planet will recover.  it has been through much, much worse, many times.  the species of this planet will be significantly reduced beyond the number it already has the last 100+ years.  that will only allow future species more resources and room to expand.



you'll have to forgive the blocky-ranting.  i went a little hedonistic this evening and drank some dark, strong beers, while eating soon-to-be-extinct species of sea-life. 



:rockon::onfire:




don't think we can go back.  don't think homo sapiens sapiens can really recover from this.  we will survive, genetically, until even our dna alters beyond the point of this current sub-species and the next homo probably eradicates us like the lineage of homo suggests.





Yes, good post, I agree fully.  My point was really only that beforethedawn always talks about how nothing is wrong and everything is perfect, and it just makes me want to throw up.  If he were in the trenches he would be singing a different tune.  Everything is fucked.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23711825 - 10/05/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I find positivity through a belief that we live in a heaven on Earth in a hell that is the universe.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23711843 - 10/05/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that there is an excess of negativity in the world such as greed, injustice, pain etc. however I like to entertain alternative perspectives on issues such as this one.

Is it not a possibility that this negativity is there for a reason, that it is essential? How could we identify positivity if there was no negativity to compare it against? How would we know love and comfort if there was no hate and fear to teach us the value of the opposit? When you are happy or in love, isn't a part of that feeling from the appreciation of not being sad or alone? If there is no darkness, how can we appreciate the privilege of light?

If we were to achieve world peace and eliminate all negativity leaving only positivity, it would no longer be positive because the negative that defines it would not be there. If all of our lives were full of nothing but love and goodness, that would just be 'normal' and the feelings/emotions we currently experience with wouldn't be there.

Negativity is also a necessity for change, which is what life is all about. If everything was perfect there would be no need for change, which means there would be no need for growth and our experience of 'life' would suffer dramatically.

Maybe instead of trying to eliminate negativity we just need to analyze it and view it from a different perspective. Not as something 'bad', but as an essential driving force that we can use to learn, grow and evolve.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: sudly]
    #23711984 - 10/06/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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sudly said:
it's possible for wars over water to emerge in highly drought stricken regions.




Perth, Australia apparently obtains 40% of it's potable water from desalination.

The question between us then is whether government is within the group that can be culled to supply the needs of others or the group that cannot be culled, which is obviously the latter.

Because we need both salt and water, it is the group that can metaphorically obtain it's entertainment (water) from the supply that contains the salt.

One may wonder why we evolved to require fresh water rather than remaining in the ocean and I'll grant that it is in the quest of a refined form of entertainment, which the argument of government is of.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23712504 - 10/06/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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wolfiewolfie said:
I agree that there is an excess of negativity in the world such as greed, injustice, pain etc. however I like to entertain alternative perspectives on issues such as this one.

Is it not a possibility that this negativity is there for a reason, that it is essential? How could we identify positivity if there was no negativity to compare it against? How would we know love and comfort if there was no hate and fear to teach us the value of the opposit? When you are happy or in love, isn't a part of that feeling from the appreciation of not being sad or alone? If there is no darkness, how can we appreciate the privilege of light?

If we were to achieve world peace and eliminate all negativity leaving only positivity, it would no longer be positive because the negative that defines it would not be there. If all of our lives were full of nothing but love and goodness, that would just be 'normal' and the feelings/emotions we currently experience with wouldn't be there.

Negativity is also a necessity for change, which is what life is all about. If everything was perfect there would be no need for change, which means there would be no need for growth and our experience of 'life' would suffer dramatically.

Maybe instead of trying to eliminate negativity we just need to analyze it and view it from a different perspective. Not as something 'bad', but as an essential driving force that we can use to learn, grow and evolve.




Very interesting.  I agree that if there were no spectrum of positive-negative, we would be stagnating.  Complementarity is key. :yinyang:


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #23712744 - 10/06/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Surely society will exist, if in a different context.




This excites me.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: yeah]
    #23713388 - 10/06/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: demiu5] * 1
    #23713647 - 10/06/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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a ripple on open water can spread until the energy pushing the ripple completely disperses.



clarification: the ripple does not exist

it is a footprint of energy

energy cannot disperse

only perception can disperse

the wave energy continues as it changes form

as it always has



there is no ripple without disturbance

all vibrations come from other vibrations

Nothing is all that begins and ends


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: beforethedawn] * 1
    #23717071 - 10/07/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Suffering results from a lack of total understanding.
A lack of total understanding is a necessary component of free-will and subjective experience.

As such, suffering is a fundamental part of life as we know it.
It isn't pointless. It is what man chose.

Total understanding is not without consequence. Yet, it is seemingly what mankind is destined for. The good, bad, and everything is in its right place for now..

Buckle up, enjoy the ride !

Everything, everything, everything..In its right place

Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon.
Everything, everything, everything..In its right place

There are two colours in my head
What was that you tried to say?
Everything in its right place.


If you listen closely, life many times speaks to you ...
Its been saying the same thing since the beginning of time.
You only realize this when you listen.

The darkest hour is just beforethedawn....


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23717398 - 10/07/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes, good post, I agree fully.  My point was really only that beforethedawn always talks about how nothing is wrong and everything is perfect, and it just makes me want to throw up.  If he were in the trenches he would be singing a different tune.  Everything is fucked.




Bro, the guy is a schizophrenic. I would much rather be in the trenches than have schizophrenia. The trenches are a party compared to having schizophrenia.

At least things make sense in the trenches, unlike having schizophrenia.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: viktor]
    #23717431 - 10/07/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Good point.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23717555 - 10/07/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well enlightenment is a valid part of life...I have had deep enlightenment like the Buddha...but it didnt really take..because I was stuck in a Hospital against my will... at the time..

I do know this though..That transcendental enlightenment..is the same energy as the electromagnetic spectrum..which is virtuoso inside the enlightenment we can see that suffering comes in different colours..and so we can learn to save time by applying the will to force mechanism..which is that a rainbow of joy..can be better than a rainbow of suffering..

Im an alchemist..so I get a little bit of credit..


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23718024 - 10/07/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Reality is a conundrum.

I'm amidst it now.

Amazing . . .

"adrift in a world all too real"

What a circumstance we are in.

GO DELUSIONAL, ALL THE WAY!


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23718504 - 10/08/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Familiarity contempts, so we need more, which can be overwhelming to the senses of the newcomer.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23720116 - 10/08/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
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demiu5 said:
a ripple in a sea of obstacles, especially negativity, is much less likely able to spread.



And that, my good sir, is exactly why I'm working on extricating myself from the toxicity of city life asap.




Come to Stratford, VIC, Australia. Live here.

Looks like Wonderland, when the sun is out.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23722789 - 10/09/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If only the hippies would be the last humans on earth.  An earth people that are organic and develop light years ahead in technology.  Rare geniuses that don't exploit the evil potential of very design.  People aware that their mirror neurons can inflict pain, and that they experience what they do to others.

Right now I don't know what the world is going to do.  People are escalating to every extreme.  Weapons races are occurring as bad or worse than after world war 2.  Population has outgrown the easily accessible resources.  There is an over supply of less than adequate people who are mainly a burden.  People that are used to progress other peoples agenda.  These will be the hungry people, the people that are the voice of democracy.  Likely these are the victims.  Not quite meek either but oh so powerful just not individually other than by chance.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23730107 - 10/12/16 01:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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wolfiewolfie said:

Is it not a possibility that this negativity is there for a reason, that it is essential?





Our constant labeling and scanning for what we consider negative has evolutionary origins.

Looking for the negative is a highly adaptive trait, and has greatly helped our species survive.

In the jungle, if you didn't seek the negative, you'd get eaten by a tiger or killed by another tribe.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23730141 - 10/12/16 02:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Oh sorry I didn't see the comment about perfection and schizophrenia.

So it's a matter of UNDERSTANDING, that EMERGES out of the mind, regards the SITUATION CALLED BEING HERE AND EXISTING IN THIS WORLD.

If you get it right, you will see there is only That, but That is unconditional, which means it is not formally existing, not formally nothing, nor coming or going. So it is perfect, the mind must simply remove its doubts, that was the original process called religion.

Now,

The world is imagination, everything is, plain and simple.

YOUR imagination. Get it right, get your mind right, and see.

It's curious, it's strange, it's mysterious, how this is all here, how it remains here.

And,

if you want an explanation for the world . . . are you ready for this?

ALMOST EVERYONE IS LITERALLY INSANE.

EVERYONE.

This is our darkest hour. We live in an insane asylum. The world is paradise, perfect, beautiful, endless, co-created by who you are and what you are doing,

but we totally fucked it because we went insane.

We won't be forgiven if we don't turn this around.


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Re: It's all going to turn around, this is pointless suffering, we're going to realise [Re: beforethedawn] * 1
    #23730142 - 10/12/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And we're

going

to

turn

it

around

:heart:


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