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Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. * 1
    #23710371 - 10/05/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



OUCH!

Was he justified?

I honestly think it's some petty bullshit.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday]
    #23710387 - 10/05/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not really or atleast not in my opinion, his life wasn't in danger and he literally could of just kept driving and got away from her, instead decided to go in reverse and run her over which could of killed her probably just because they were pissed she hit the car with something, seems overly excessive to me :shrug:


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 4
    #23710404 - 10/05/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Was he justified? Are you seriously asking if he was justified in attempting to murder someone for throwing some shit?

Frankly, I really think that question demonstrates the character of JFT. The guy says he's a Christian, yet thinks running over someone might be justified. Whatever happened to turn the other cheek?


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday] * 2
    #23710406 - 10/05/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Justified? No. Shouldn't really be surprised when someone returns your ghetto trash act with one of their own though.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23710410 - 10/05/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That dude is going to jail for a long time, and he and  his insurance company will be paying her a lot of money.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday] * 1
    #23710438 - 10/05/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Was he justified?

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as a believer in equality, yes he was. Anything less would have been sexist.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710459 - 10/05/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Clearly the driver is a woman.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: koods] * 1
    #23710467 - 10/05/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Was he justified? Are you seriously asking if he was justified in attempting to murder someone for throwing some shit?





just watched.

he tried fleeing

she pursued


VERY LOUD bangs from the objects


perfectly reasonable to fear for your safety at that point.

Sure he could have kept trying to flee but depending on the state, he didn't have to.



I hope he gets off scott free and that that ghetto trash learned a valuable lesson.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710482 - 10/05/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

there's no way that was perfectly reasonable for them to fear for their safety at that point lol they were already clear from danger if he just kept his foot on the gas pedal, if anything he put himself back in danger by reversing and going back towards the threat. Yeah the one throwing shit was acting like a child but that shouldn't make it just to try and murder them.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #23710486 - 10/05/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You have no obligation to flee if you feel your life is in danger.(state dependent)


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #23710491 - 10/05/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It wasn't.  Her windshield was the only thing in danger, and it was an unnecessary escalation of force to run someone over for smashing a windshield.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23710497 - 10/05/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

what if the object went through and hit her head?

what if it was a moltov cocktail?



What if it were a cop being attacked? there would be no argument whatsoever about using deadly force.


This bitch had it coming.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #23710509 - 10/05/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Those are all a bunch of what ifs that didn't happen. You can't shoot someone standing at your curb yelling obscenities because "what if" they come back later that night with a knife and try to kill you. You have to demonstrate you had reasonable reason to believe your life was in danger to use the stand your ground defense.

No jury is ever going to agree that this was justifiable under stand your ground because all they had to keep doing is keep driving to get away from the situation. Their life was not in danger by someone behind their car trying to bust out a window. It's pretty obvious that is all that was happening and the woman posed no real threat to the driver's well being.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23710515 - 10/05/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

First the driver is a woman.

Second she had the choice to drive away. She's the one in the 1500lb vehicle. There's no way she can argue self defense in this circumstance


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23710517 - 10/05/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think the "heavy object" was a desk lamp btw.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #23710528 - 10/05/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are all a bunch of what ifs that didn't happen. You can't shoot someone standing at your curb yelling obscenities because "what if" .



No but you CAN shoot someone that's throwing things at you even if they are harmless because it's not your job to make assumptions about the seriousness of your attacker or their "missile".


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday]
    #23710531 - 10/05/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The thing is that when you assault someone, you lose the right to pass judgment on whether their relation was proportional to your assault or not. 

In addition, throwing something through the back window of a car could have sent broken glass into the driver's face.

It might have been a little excessive, but if someone is assaulting you they don't get to place judgment on that, and you are certainly not obliged to try and coddle them and watch out for their safety while they are trying to violate yours.

Also how exactly would you quantify a retaliation response?  If you suggest that the bulk of criticism be directed towards the driver for acting excessively, then you're implying that someone should be allowed to get away with assault as long as it's kept beneath a minimum level.  Obviously some retaliation was warranted in this situation, so the question is how would you quantify a response and determine where to draw the line?


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23710541 - 10/05/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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First the driver is a woman.

Second she had the choice to drive away. She's the one in the 1500lb vehicle. There's no way she can argue self defense in this circumstance



First, thanks for clearing that up

Secondly, is most cases where you are faced with aggression it is not your duty to flee. The fact that she was better equipped for a confrontation also isn't a fault on her part.


In truth, however, i fear that the law is likely to share your point of view and decide it was not self defense.

And maybe it wasn't,by law, but it was justified force in my opinion.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23710558 - 10/05/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It brings up a job question, if violent people surround your car and start smashing it, one should be able to drive forward regardless who is standing in front of it, especially when they are blocking the road.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710585 - 10/05/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are all a bunch of what ifs that didn't happen. You can't shoot someone standing at your curb yelling obscenities because "what if" .



No but you CAN shoot someone that's throwing things at you even if they are harmless because it's not your job to make assumptions about the seriousness of your attacker or their "missile".



I'm telling you, the stand your ground thing isn't the blanket defense to answer any action against you with whatever action you end up taking you seem to think it is. Using a car against someone is considered using lethal force. To use lethal force outside of your home, you have to show your life (or someone else's) was in imminent danger. Someone throwing a lamp or whatever the fuck it was through your back window does not put your life in imminent danger. MAYBE if it were the driver side window you could argue you thought they were trying to drag you out of the car and you felt in danger of your life but that would be a bit of a stretch, but a little more defensible since in a lot of states the rules of lethal force in your home also extend to your car. In this case though, it's pretty evident the only real danger at the time she was ran over was to property and that is no where near as open ended in regards to what actions you can take in response.

If you were the driver of this car, I'd be telling you good fucking luck not getting charged.

Honestly you might want to look into the law regarding stand your ground more so you don't end up like this driver will end up. Stand your ground =/= "I can kill someone because they assaulted me or my property".


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday]
    #23710588 - 10/05/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

OOOH SHIT, I just noticed the bone

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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: shadyy] * 2
    #23710599 - 10/05/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bet she won't try that again.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23710600 - 10/05/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm telling you, the stand your ground thing isn't the blanket defense to answer any action against you with whatever action you end up taking you seem to think it is.



But i don't think that.

You said "standing at your curb" and that's what i'm responding to.


If we are going to discuss the law i think we should clarify that we are discussing instances like in the video and not bring up examples of "someone at your curb" where you do in fact have more rights to shoot someone.


Stand your ground, as far as i know, is a florida law and i don't even know where the video took place.


I'm open to discussing that and don't mean to be confrontational i just think we should refrain from using examples of home defense if we are not going to be discussing such situations.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710693 - 10/05/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The curb example was to to make a point. You can't act on what ifs like that. The only what if you can really act on is if someone has demonstrated they intend to do great harm to you or someone else and then you're allowed to take lethal action because what if they actually do kill you/someone else? Stand your ground is not just a Florida thing.

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The states that have adopted stand-your-ground laws are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Other states (Iowa, Virginia, and Washington) have considered stand-your-ground laws of their own.




Also, no you can't shoot someone just because they're on your property (or at your curb). Even if they're trespassing. You don't really have much more of a right to use lethal force whether it's in public or on your property. Some states may allow lethal force for trespassing but the last time I looked the majority require some form of actual threat before you can use lethal force. Some states are a little more loose on what constitutes a threat, such as trying to pull open a locked door on your house.

I don't really feel like getting drawn into a long debate about it though. You were suggesting that this would fall under stand your ground and I dispute that. Don't be surprised when the driver is charged/convicted (if they haven't been already).


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23710720 - 10/05/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

there is a HUGE difference in your right to shoot someone when it comes to being out in public or not. Especially in florida.

in Florida you CAN kill someone who is robbing your house, whether your life is in danger or not.

So can you kill the for trespassing? maybe not but you CAN kill them for stealing and someone uninvited to your home is an easy case to be made for attempted theft.

Most important thing to point out though is that There doesn't need to be a threat to you.Your property is actually enough to use lethal force over.

Castle doctrine, i believe it's called.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23710728 - 10/05/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

From what I saw it looks they initially put it in reverse and that lady ducked down and they bumped into her. At that point the cars brakes lights are on meaning they stopped the car. Then the person throws whatever through the back window which probably scared the shit out of who ever was driving. One could argue once that happened, the person who was driving's natural instinct is to hit the gas and go forward, but they forgot they were in reverse at the time.

A decent defense attorney could get that driver off easily.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #23710737 - 10/05/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting interpretation. and a dam good argument in my inexperienced opinion. i hadn't even noticed.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle] * 2
    #23710748 - 10/05/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

People who are arguing it was self-defense, she was already in the process of fleeing. You can't argue that she was in such fear, that she put the car in reverse, and returned back to the attacker. It's very obvious she did that just to show who's boss, since she's the invincible one with the 1500lb weapon.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23710758 - 10/05/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

She was also being chased and prior to the reverse her car got hit again.


Her property was taking damage so i don't know if the law allows her to defend that or what but i would have.


In the literal sense, it obvious doesn't look like self defense, but i still consider it justified since the attacker was not relenting and i believe that she shouldn't have had to flee such violence.

It'll be interesting to see how this case plays out.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710766 - 10/05/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Trespassing isn't burglary. Trespassing is being on your land uninvited. When they do or try to enter the house it escalates. As I just said some states are a little more loose on what constitutes danger and in some states, simply trying to pull open a locked door on your house is enough. In most states (last I checked) shooting someone for trespassing is a free trip to jail.

There is no black and white when it comes to stand your ground or castle doctrine. It's more of a sliding scale in how likely it is you will be charged and convicted for your actions. Someone in the past may have gotten away with shooting someone because they came on their property and stole something (or they said they did) and others wouldn't have. Education on these laws and understanding them is important because if things don't go your way, you may end up in prison over it.

People can play fast and loose with the stand your ground or castle doctrine defenses if they want. I'm going to make damn sure my position is defensible before I do something like that. If that means me running away when I may or probably would have been justified, so be it. I'm fine with that.

In the end it doesn't really matter whether you believe you were justified. What matters is convincing the people deciding your fate that you were justified.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday] * 2
    #23710803 - 10/05/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If only she'd had a gun she could have stopped that lamp-throwing maniac am I right or am I right


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710825 - 10/05/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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She was also being chased and prior to the reverse her car got hit again.


Her property was taking damage so i don't know if the law allows her to defend that or what but i would have.


In the literal sense, it obvious doesn't look like self defense, but i still consider it justified since the attacker was not relenting and i believe that she shouldn't have had to flee such violence.

It'll be interesting to see how this case plays out.




Yes, in some states you have a responsibility to flee unless your life is in danger. People forget that murder, or attempted murder is supposed to be a LAST RESORT option, for when you are unable to escape or deescalate a dangerous situation. Her being in a vehicle already in the process of driving away makes it that much more difficult to argue that fleeing was not an option for her.

And in some states it is DEFINITELY illegal to kill somebody or attempt to kill somebody if the only thing they are attacking or after are your possessions or property.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23710831 - 10/05/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

holy shit if cant believe she didn't get smashed


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23710856 - 10/05/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not in mine, thankfully. no obligation to flee either.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710882 - 10/05/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Being trigger-happy and eager to kill when your life isn't even in danger is an atrocious way of thinking. It shouldn't be encouraged. Killing somebody who is just a petty unarmed thief is not good. Human life is always more valuable than possessions.

I don't understand why the NRA discourages warning shots. A warning shot is probably the most active deterrent for a burglar in your home, and warning shots prevent violent or deadly outcomes. The second an intruder hears a gunshot the first thing they're going to think is, "Oh shit, let's get the FUCK outta here!!!!!"

Yet warning shots are illegal in some states. The NRA would probably get more nationwide support if they were more about actively disengaging and discouraging violence, as opposed to promoting a shoot-to-kill mentality.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23710883 - 10/05/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Ezuma said:
If only she'd had a gun she could have stopped that lamp-throwing maniac am I right or am I right





After such a trajedy as this one we should implement background checks for cars, not allow you to own one if you have a history of domestic violence, have a history of drug abuse, or are on a watch list or no fly list they won't tell you you are on because of national security. We also need to outlaw assault cars wich are defined of having 2 or more of the following
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    not speed limited and/or capable of in excess of 70mph
    bull bars, brush guards, or steel bumpers
    weight in excess of 4500lb


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #23711300 - 10/05/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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From what I saw it looks they initially put it in reverse and that lady ducked down and they bumped into her. At that point the cars brakes lights are on meaning they stopped the car. Then the person throws whatever through the back window which probably scared the shit out of who ever was driving. One could argue once that happened, the person who was driving's natural instinct is to hit the gas and go forward, but they forgot they were in reverse at the time.

A decent defense attorney could get that driver off easily.



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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: koods]
    #23711321 - 10/05/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That dude is going to jail for a long time, and he and  his insurance company will be paying her a lot of money.




Too bad he wasnt a cop.


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    #23711368 - 10/05/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I honestly think it's some petty bullshit.




you think we should ban those 2 ton killing machines?


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    #23711373 - 10/05/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23711452 - 10/05/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Being trigger-happy and eager to kill when your life isn't even in danger is an atrocious way of thinking. It shouldn't be encouraged. Killing somebody who is just a petty unarmed thief is not good. Human life is always more valuable than possessions.





why should my life be in danger in order for me to defend myself? I'll be the
first to tell you, if someone injures me to the point that I cannot work, it's not
just my life that's fucked, I have 4 others that depend on me, a month in the
hospital is an end to everything I have. even if I had health insurance, that
doesnt pay the bills or feed my kids and suing an assailant is pretty fucking
pointless since the majority of times they're in jail or dead at that point

maybe if you opened your eyes to what human life actually is, a human that decides
to rob and kill to make his living doesnt deserve his life, fuck him, fuck his
choices, he decided to encroach on my freedom to live peacefully and I will end
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I don't understand why the NRA discourages warning shots. A warning shot is probably the most active deterrent for a burglar in your home




Micheal Brown got a warning shot to the thumb, he then got several more warning
shots, it doesnt seem that any of them actually stopped him until a fatal shot was
fired... the reason warning shots shouldnt be fired is because you never know
where they'll end up. let's say for a minute that you arent some silly progressive
that believes everyone should become a victim so the criminals dont have to live
such a hard life but you're still kinda liberal even though you carry a gun,
someone starts coming at you so you draw your gun and fire a warning shot, that
shot travels a couple of blocks and passes into a window and strikes a little girl
in the back, she dies an hour later at the hospital. now you're the criminal,
you've recklessly endangered the lives of others and killed a little girl but
that's not all, the assailant you were going to warn off runs away, now there's no
one to corroborate the story, you're a nutter just shooting into random windows
and killing little kids.

ok, maybe he doent run off, maybe you dont kill a little girl, now in court when
you've fired 3 shots, 2 into the assailant and 1 into the air, you have to explain
why you shot a man when you were not in the gravest of danger because you managed
to fire a shot into the air, wait to see if the assailant was still going to
attack and then squeezed off 2 more into him. your self defense plea is getting
whittled down by the minute

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and warning shots prevent violent or deadly outcomes.






bullshit. every bullet has the potential for a lawsuit attached to it, warning shots are reckless and stupid

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Yet warning shots are illegal in some states.




I wonder why?


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The NRA would probably get more nationwide support if they were more about actively disengaging and discouraging violence, as opposed to promoting a shoot-to-kill mentality.





shoot to kill does reduce violence. maybe instead of telling people not to shoot
to kill you should teach criminals not to be criminals



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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23711769 - 10/05/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Ezuma said:
If only she'd had a gun she could have stopped that lamp-throwing maniac am I right or am I right





After such a trajedy as this one we should implement background checks for cars, not allow you to own one if you have a history of domestic violence, have a history of drug abuse, or are on a watch list or no fly list they won't tell you you are on because of national security. We also need to outlaw assault cars wich are defined of having 2 or more of the following
  • 28" or larger tires
    more than 200hp
    not speed limited and/or capable of in excess of 70mph
    bull bars, brush guards, or steel bumpers
    weight in excess of 4500lb





I know you're being facetious but I agree with most of that :shrug:


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23711819 - 10/05/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone ever tell you that you have some weird ideas on what should or shouldn't be legal?


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    #23711824 - 10/05/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone ever tell you that you have some weird ideas on what should or shouldn't be legal?




lol, well the list is mostly silly but the stuff above it imo makes sense mostly after all a car is pretty damn dangerous and they kill far more people than weapons do :shrug:


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23711832 - 10/05/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'll give you that a lot of people have trucks and stuff built for offroad when they never have any intention of going offroad, but most of those would be very helpful or even nessecary for one that was going to be going offroad. People go offroad for very legitimate reasons. :shrug:


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23711841 - 10/05/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ok I only agree with this part really: "background checks for cars, not allow you to own one if you have a history of domestic violence, have a history of drug abuse, or are on a watch list or no fly list"

ya caught me skim readin' :retawed:


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday]
    #23712066 - 10/06/16 03:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I ran over somebody with my car more than once but they had guns pointed at me.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday]
    #23712081 - 10/06/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Attack with a deadly weapon is only justified when your life is in danger. If someone is shooting at you, yes, ron them over.

How can this even be remotely justified?

Bodily harm outweighs property damage.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23712090 - 10/06/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ok I only agree with this part really: "background checks for cars, not allow you to own one if you have a history of domestic violence, have a history of drug abuse, or are on a watch list or no fly list"

ya caught me skim readin' :retawed:




You are aware that they won't tell you if you are on a list correct? Meaning you could get denied a car and they wouldn't tell you why, and if you enquired about a list they would tell you they can't tell you because it is a matter of national security. Also, since you post here I assume you have taken drugs at some point in your life. No car for you... ever. And if you ever develop a drug problem no one knows about... you better fucking forget about getting help real fucking quick or you won't be able to buy a car ever again.

Replace car with gun and you have 21st century america. And the libs still think we need more restrictions.


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    #23712133 - 10/06/16 05:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23712649 - 10/06/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Asante said:
Attack with a deadly weapon is only justified when your life is in danger. If someone is shooting at you, yes, ron them over.

How can this even be remotely justified?

Bodily harm outweighs property damage.





let me ask. exactly what point do you know, that you can be 100% sure, that your
life is in danger? is it before or after you're dead? I mean there have been people
killed by a single punch to the head, how can you be sure that your life isnt in
danger when someone decides they want to hit you? at what point does an attack move
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23712846 - 10/06/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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    #23713189 - 10/06/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

good points I tend to forget how no-fly lists work in good ol' 'land of the free' :ahahaha:


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    #23713309 - 10/06/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I ran over somebody with my car more than once but they had guns pointed at me.




What's up with that?  Did you get robbed?  Did you know the person?

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    #23713323 - 10/06/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If the person that was run over had a gun, yes, otherwise it's unlikely the driver will be completely justified.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: falsereality]
    #23713361 - 10/06/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So when I was young there was this dude that tried to rob a guy through the window of his car in a drug deal. Dude started punching the guy in the face and tried to grab his stash. So the guy hit the gas and flung the dude into another car. THAT is an act of desperation and panic. This does not sound like that. This sounds like the driver was like "oh hell no" and just ran the lady over.


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    #23713433 - 10/06/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Justified? I don't know... I mean he could've killed the dumb bitch. Then again she could've too. Say whatever she was throwing went through the window hitting him (is it a him?) in the head. I can't say. It's easy for someone to say yes or no when we can rewatch the video over and over again when in that exact situation you only have seconds to react. Do I feel bad for her? Nope.


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    #23713484 - 10/06/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Shroomslip said:
Those are all a bunch of what ifs that didn't happen. You can't shoot someone standing at your curb yelling obscenities because "what if" .



No but you CAN shoot someone that's throwing things at you even if they are harmless because it's not your job to make assumptions about the seriousness of your attacker or their "missile".




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    #23714893 - 10/07/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Total combined IQ of car driver and the lady throwing stuff, 118.


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    #23714917 - 10/07/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

oh good, we are still on topic.  that saves me 3 pages.

That bitch deserved what she got, and she's lucky she didn't get more.  And the boyfriend is a fool. the driver should have run his ass over for sure.  Coming up and opening the car door like that.  Could've run him over, and run him over again to make sure he stayed run over and been justified.


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    #23714919 - 10/07/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You can't just kill anyone that opens your car door or throws something at you.


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    #23714926 - 10/07/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Preferentially she should've got out and just beat her ass, but I dont judge the driver too harshly for what she did. You fuck with the bull you fuck with the horns.


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    #23714932 - 10/07/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you hear a crash and your rear windshield caves in, you are not required to assume that it was a desklamp.  Its perfectly reasonable to assume that it is a projectile weapon of some kind and respond accordingly.  If you are attempting to get away from someone, and you close your car door, and they opens it and lay hands on you, its perfectly reasonable to take that as an imminent credible threat of serious bodily injury and respond accordingly.  The lady is a bit more grey, but the driver could have shot the boyfriend and reasonably claimed self defense.  Should have, really.


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    #23714934 - 10/07/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Calling a black woman gray is racist af.  It's borderline homophobic, which you definitely don't want to be that if you're already a racist.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: ballsalsa] * 4
    #23715002 - 10/07/16 02:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

>the girl throwing shit and breaking things should be put down for stupidity
>the people operating the motor vehicle should be put down for poor driving
>the person filming should be put down for filming vertically

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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: koods]
    #23715330 - 10/07/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Was he justified? Are you seriously asking if he was justified in attempting to murder someone for throwing some shit?

Frankly, I really think that question demonstrates the character of JFT. The guy says he's a Christian, yet thinks running over someone might be justified. Whatever happened to turn the other cheek?




Exactly what I thought. Only a seriously disturbed individual could think this was justified.

Overall thats another thread making the USA look fucking scary. People seem to have no regard for each other's lives, guns are even the reason to kill when there are no guns involved?
And knowing to have your existence and that of your family flushed down the toilet if you only break one important bone, how can you live like that? Knowing that a little accident could fuck everything over leads to relentlessly killing anyone that even remotely threatens you.
That's just disgusting.
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    #23715513 - 10/07/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Preferentially she should've got out and just beat her ass, but I dont judge the driver too harshly for what she did. You fuck with the bull you fuck with the horns.




See that's more the kind of justice I could get behind. Much more justifiable to get out of the car and thwack the crazy lady with her own lamp.


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    #23716984 - 10/07/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

not justified, but i'm not exactly broken up over it. She had it coming and hopefully learned her lesson.


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    #23717013 - 10/07/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Says you. People do it all the time. And yet people continue to wonder why people get killed for being disrespectful.

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Says you. People do it all the time. And yet people continue to wonder why people get killed for being disrespectful.

ghettotip: Show respect or be prepared to roll the dice on your life.




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