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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday]
#23710588 - 10/05/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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OOOH SHIT, I just noticed the bone
that would suck
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: shadyy] 2
#23710599 - 10/05/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bet she won't try that again.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
#23710600 - 10/05/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said:
I'm telling you, the stand your ground thing isn't the blanket defense to answer any action against you with whatever action you end up taking you seem to think it is.
But i don't think that.
You said "standing at your curb" and that's what i'm responding to.
If we are going to discuss the law i think we should clarify that we are discussing instances like in the video and not bring up examples of "someone at your curb" where you do in fact have more rights to shoot someone.
Stand your ground, as far as i know, is a florida law and i don't even know where the video took place.
I'm open to discussing that and don't mean to be confrontational i just think we should refrain from using examples of home defense if we are not going to be discussing such situations.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
#23710693 - 10/05/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The curb example was to to make a point. You can't act on what ifs like that. The only what if you can really act on is if someone has demonstrated they intend to do great harm to you or someone else and then you're allowed to take lethal action because what if they actually do kill you/someone else? Stand your ground is not just a Florida thing.
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The states that have adopted stand-your-ground laws are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Other states (Iowa, Virginia, and Washington) have considered stand-your-ground laws of their own.
Also, no you can't shoot someone just because they're on your property (or at your curb). Even if they're trespassing. You don't really have much more of a right to use lethal force whether it's in public or on your property. Some states may allow lethal force for trespassing but the last time I looked the majority require some form of actual threat before you can use lethal force. Some states are a little more loose on what constitutes a threat, such as trying to pull open a locked door on your house.
I don't really feel like getting drawn into a long debate about it though. You were suggesting that this would fall under stand your ground and I dispute that. Don't be surprised when the driver is charged/convicted (if they haven't been already).
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
#23710720 - 10/05/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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there is a HUGE difference in your right to shoot someone when it comes to being out in public or not. Especially in florida.
in Florida you CAN kill someone who is robbing your house, whether your life is in danger or not.
So can you kill the for trespassing? maybe not but you CAN kill them for stealing and someone uninvited to your home is an easy case to be made for attempted theft.
Most important thing to point out though is that There doesn't need to be a threat to you.Your property is actually enough to use lethal force over.
Castle doctrine, i believe it's called.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
#23710728 - 10/05/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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From what I saw it looks they initially put it in reverse and that lady ducked down and they bumped into her. At that point the cars brakes lights are on meaning they stopped the car. Then the person throws whatever through the back window which probably scared the shit out of who ever was driving. One could argue once that happened, the person who was driving's natural instinct is to hit the gas and go forward, but they forgot they were in reverse at the time.
A decent defense attorney could get that driver off easily.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: FruitOfLife]
#23710737 - 10/05/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting interpretation. and a dam good argument in my inexperienced opinion. i hadn't even noticed.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle] 2
#23710748 - 10/05/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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People who are arguing it was self-defense, she was already in the process of fleeing. You can't argue that she was in such fear, that she put the car in reverse, and returned back to the attacker. It's very obvious she did that just to show who's boss, since she's the invincible one with the 1500lb weapon.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Crystal G]
#23710758 - 10/05/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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She was also being chased and prior to the reverse her car got hit again.
Her property was taking damage so i don't know if the law allows her to defend that or what but i would have.
In the literal sense, it obvious doesn't look like self defense, but i still consider it justified since the attacker was not relenting and i believe that she shouldn't have had to flee such violence.
It'll be interesting to see how this case plays out.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
#23710766 - 10/05/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trespassing isn't burglary. Trespassing is being on your land uninvited. When they do or try to enter the house it escalates. As I just said some states are a little more loose on what constitutes danger and in some states, simply trying to pull open a locked door on your house is enough. In most states (last I checked) shooting someone for trespassing is a free trip to jail.
There is no black and white when it comes to stand your ground or castle doctrine. It's more of a sliding scale in how likely it is you will be charged and convicted for your actions. Someone in the past may have gotten away with shooting someone because they came on their property and stole something (or they said they did) and others wouldn't have. Education on these laws and understanding them is important because if things don't go your way, you may end up in prison over it.
People can play fast and loose with the stand your ground or castle doctrine defenses if they want. I'm going to make damn sure my position is defensible before I do something like that. If that means me running away when I may or probably would have been justified, so be it. I'm fine with that.
In the end it doesn't really matter whether you believe you were justified. What matters is convincing the people deciding your fate that you were justified.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday] 2
#23710803 - 10/05/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If only she'd had a gun she could have stopped that lamp-throwing maniac am I right or am I right
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
#23710825 - 10/05/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Apostle said: She was also being chased and prior to the reverse her car got hit again.
Her property was taking damage so i don't know if the law allows her to defend that or what but i would have.
In the literal sense, it obvious doesn't look like self defense, but i still consider it justified since the attacker was not relenting and i believe that she shouldn't have had to flee such violence.
It'll be interesting to see how this case plays out.
Yes, in some states you have a responsibility to flee unless your life is in danger. People forget that murder, or attempted murder is supposed to be a LAST RESORT option, for when you are unable to escape or deescalate a dangerous situation. Her being in a vehicle already in the process of driving away makes it that much more difficult to argue that fleeing was not an option for her.
And in some states it is DEFINITELY illegal to kill somebody or attempt to kill somebody if the only thing they are attacking or after are your possessions or property.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Ezuma]
#23710831 - 10/05/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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holy shit if cant believe she didn't get smashed
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Crystal G]
#23710856 - 10/05/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not in mine, thankfully. no obligation to flee either.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
#23710882 - 10/05/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Being trigger-happy and eager to kill when your life isn't even in danger is an atrocious way of thinking. It shouldn't be encouraged. Killing somebody who is just a petty unarmed thief is not good. Human life is always more valuable than possessions.
I don't understand why the NRA discourages warning shots. A warning shot is probably the most active deterrent for a burglar in your home, and warning shots prevent violent or deadly outcomes. The second an intruder hears a gunshot the first thing they're going to think is, "Oh shit, let's get the FUCK outta here!!!!!"
Yet warning shots are illegal in some states. The NRA would probably get more nationwide support if they were more about actively disengaging and discouraging violence, as opposed to promoting a shoot-to-kill mentality.
Edited by Crystal G (10/05/16 06:49 PM)
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Ezuma]
#23710883 - 10/05/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: If only she'd had a gun she could have stopped that lamp-throwing maniac am I right or am I right
After such a trajedy as this one we should implement background checks for cars, not allow you to own one if you have a history of domestic violence, have a history of drug abuse, or are on a watch list or no fly list they won't tell you you are on because of national security. We also need to outlaw assault cars wich are defined of having 2 or more of the following- 28" or larger tires
more than 200hp not speed limited and/or capable of in excess of 70mph bull bars, brush guards, or steel bumpers weight in excess of 4500lb
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: FruitOfLife]
#23711300 - 10/05/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: From what I saw it looks they initially put it in reverse and that lady ducked down and they bumped into her. At that point the cars brakes lights are on meaning they stopped the car. Then the person throws whatever through the back window which probably scared the shit out of who ever was driving. One could argue once that happened, the person who was driving's natural instinct is to hit the gas and go forward, but they forgot they were in reverse at the time.
A decent defense attorney could get that driver off easily.
Good points.
Wild ass video. Dat shit cray.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: koods]
#23711321 - 10/05/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: That dude is going to jail for a long time, and he and his insurance company will be paying her a lot of money.
Too bad he wasnt a cop.
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday]
#23711368 - 10/05/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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JustForToday said: I honestly think it's some petty bullshit.
you think we should ban those 2 ton killing machines?
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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Prisoner#1] 3
#23711373 - 10/05/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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desk lamps don't weigh 2 tons pris
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