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OfflineJustForToday
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Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. * 1
    #23710371 - 10/05/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



OUCH!

Was he justified?

I honestly think it's some petty bullshit.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday]
    #23710387 - 10/05/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not really or atleast not in my opinion, his life wasn't in danger and he literally could of just kept driving and got away from her, instead decided to go in reverse and run her over which could of killed her probably just because they were pissed she hit the car with something, seems overly excessive to me :shrug:


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 4
    #23710404 - 10/05/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Was he justified? Are you seriously asking if he was justified in attempting to murder someone for throwing some shit?

Frankly, I really think that question demonstrates the character of JFT. The guy says he's a Christian, yet thinks running over someone might be justified. Whatever happened to turn the other cheek?


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday] * 2
    #23710406 - 10/05/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Justified? No. Shouldn't really be surprised when someone returns your ghetto trash act with one of their own though.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23710410 - 10/05/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That dude is going to jail for a long time, and he and  his insurance company will be paying her a lot of money.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday] * 1
    #23710438 - 10/05/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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JustForToday said:


Was he justified?

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as a believer in equality, yes he was. Anything less would have been sexist.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710459 - 10/05/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Clearly the driver is a woman.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: koods] * 1
    #23710467 - 10/05/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
Was he justified? Are you seriously asking if he was justified in attempting to murder someone for throwing some shit?





just watched.

he tried fleeing

she pursued


VERY LOUD bangs from the objects


perfectly reasonable to fear for your safety at that point.

Sure he could have kept trying to flee but depending on the state, he didn't have to.



I hope he gets off scott free and that that ghetto trash learned a valuable lesson.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710482 - 10/05/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

there's no way that was perfectly reasonable for them to fear for their safety at that point lol they were already clear from danger if he just kept his foot on the gas pedal, if anything he put himself back in danger by reversing and going back towards the threat. Yeah the one throwing shit was acting like a child but that shouldn't make it just to try and murder them.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #23710486 - 10/05/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You have no obligation to flee if you feel your life is in danger.(state dependent)


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #23710491 - 10/05/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It wasn't.  Her windshield was the only thing in danger, and it was an unnecessary escalation of force to run someone over for smashing a windshield.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23710497 - 10/05/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

what if the object went through and hit her head?

what if it was a moltov cocktail?



What if it were a cop being attacked? there would be no argument whatsoever about using deadly force.


This bitch had it coming.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #23710509 - 10/05/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Those are all a bunch of what ifs that didn't happen. You can't shoot someone standing at your curb yelling obscenities because "what if" they come back later that night with a knife and try to kill you. You have to demonstrate you had reasonable reason to believe your life was in danger to use the stand your ground defense.

No jury is ever going to agree that this was justifiable under stand your ground because all they had to keep doing is keep driving to get away from the situation. Their life was not in danger by someone behind their car trying to bust out a window. It's pretty obvious that is all that was happening and the woman posed no real threat to the driver's well being.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23710515 - 10/05/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

First the driver is a woman.

Second she had the choice to drive away. She's the one in the 1500lb vehicle. There's no way she can argue self defense in this circumstance


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23710517 - 10/05/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think the "heavy object" was a desk lamp btw.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #23710528 - 10/05/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are all a bunch of what ifs that didn't happen. You can't shoot someone standing at your curb yelling obscenities because "what if" .



No but you CAN shoot someone that's throwing things at you even if they are harmless because it's not your job to make assumptions about the seriousness of your attacker or their "missile".


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: JustForToday]
    #23710531 - 10/05/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The thing is that when you assault someone, you lose the right to pass judgment on whether their relation was proportional to your assault or not. 

In addition, throwing something through the back window of a car could have sent broken glass into the driver's face.

It might have been a little excessive, but if someone is assaulting you they don't get to place judgment on that, and you are certainly not obliged to try and coddle them and watch out for their safety while they are trying to violate yours.

Also how exactly would you quantify a retaliation response?  If you suggest that the bulk of criticism be directed towards the driver for acting excessively, then you're implying that someone should be allowed to get away with assault as long as it's kept beneath a minimum level.  Obviously some retaliation was warranted in this situation, so the question is how would you quantify a response and determine where to draw the line?


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23710541 - 10/05/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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First the driver is a woman.

Second she had the choice to drive away. She's the one in the 1500lb vehicle. There's no way she can argue self defense in this circumstance



First, thanks for clearing that up

Secondly, is most cases where you are faced with aggression it is not your duty to flee. The fact that she was better equipped for a confrontation also isn't a fault on her part.


In truth, however, i fear that the law is likely to share your point of view and decide it was not self defense.

And maybe it wasn't,by law, but it was justified force in my opinion.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23710558 - 10/05/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It brings up a job question, if violent people surround your car and start smashing it, one should be able to drive forward regardless who is standing in front of it, especially when they are blocking the road.


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Re: Guy backs over woman as she tried to throw heavy objects through car. [Re: Apostle]
    #23710585 - 10/05/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Shroomslip said:
Those are all a bunch of what ifs that didn't happen. You can't shoot someone standing at your curb yelling obscenities because "what if" .



No but you CAN shoot someone that's throwing things at you even if they are harmless because it's not your job to make assumptions about the seriousness of your attacker or their "missile".



I'm telling you, the stand your ground thing isn't the blanket defense to answer any action against you with whatever action you end up taking you seem to think it is. Using a car against someone is considered using lethal force. To use lethal force outside of your home, you have to show your life (or someone else's) was in imminent danger. Someone throwing a lamp or whatever the fuck it was through your back window does not put your life in imminent danger. MAYBE if it were the driver side window you could argue you thought they were trying to drag you out of the car and you felt in danger of your life but that would be a bit of a stretch, but a little more defensible since in a lot of states the rules of lethal force in your home also extend to your car. In this case though, it's pretty evident the only real danger at the time she was ran over was to property and that is no where near as open ended in regards to what actions you can take in response.

If you were the driver of this car, I'd be telling you good fucking luck not getting charged.

Honestly you might want to look into the law regarding stand your ground more so you don't end up like this driver will end up. Stand your ground =/= "I can kill someone because they assaulted me or my property".


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