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Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek 9
#23709670 - 10/05/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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ComebackKid's Bottom Watering TEK Foil VS. Lids IntroductionAlright... You have put in the work. You've birthed your cakes. You've done your research. Your cakes are being dunked and awaiting a roll. Your shotgun fruiting chamber is built to spec... but you havent decided on weather or not to set your cakes on foil or jar lids. Im going to put an end to the dellema I say why not use both? (MrMazdar, this ones for you) Everyday I see proud newcomers posting pictures of their cakes that have started to pin. All their work is finally paying off. But I rarely see anybody bottom watering their cakes to maximize end results. You've made it this far, why not put forth a little extra effort? Difficulty: Easy! The pourpose of this tek:I want to make bottom watering as easy and readily available as I can for newcomers and all PF cake growers alike. I believe it should be common practice like the dunk & roll. This is how I bottom water my PF cakes. What you'll need: - 2 piece mason jar lids - Aluminum foil - Scissors Step 1:  Rip off a piece of foil big enough to set both pieces of your jar lids on comfortably. Leave at least 2 inch clearance of foil on the outside edges of your lids. Step 2:  Fold the foil in half width wise creating a square. I do this to reinforce the tinfoil. It helps to prevent holes in the foil that may leak water later on down the road. *Note* A more ideal situation would be to use plastic lids of course. Keep a close eye on the recycling every week for snug fitting lids  Step 3:  Create a foil sandwich by placing the larger lid piece on the bottom and the lid cap on top. Make sure that the mouth of the lid is facing up and the lid cap is positioned with the underside facing up. Step 4:  Gently push the lid cap through the ring, forcing the foil into the mouth. Make sure you push it all the way to the bottom. Step 5:   Form the foil to the inside ring with your thumbs. Bend the excess foil to a 90 degree angle and snip off the excess with scissors. ------------------------- You can now place this inside your SGFC. Or if you're someone who always has something on the go and would like to use your lids for another jar you can check out the next step. Step 6:  Carefully remove the lid cap from the foil. You will most likely need to remove it from the ring and bend out the side of the foil to get at the cap. You can then re-form the foil to the inside of the ring once the cap has been removed. Further instruction:Simply set your cakes inside your foil dish. Mist and fan per usual. Then once your cakes develop a pinset, you can introduce bottom watering by filling up the foil dish with water. Remember to change or refill the water once a day or as needed. For information on how bottom watering works and why it's benificial check out Violet's TEK. And there you have it folks. Not only do you have something for your cakes to sit on. But you can now use your foil to bottom water your PF cakes.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#23709683 - 10/05/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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(MrMazdar, this ones for you) .
Douche jk xx I don't have lids they went rusty so binned them and didn't buy anymore as switching to monos after these cakes I'm doing now have finished
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23709701 - 10/05/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aaha I'm glad you were the first to comment! Everytime I think of foil Vs lids I think back to the time where you and another member were having a heated debate on someones thread over which was better
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
#23709709 - 10/05/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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In this threadQuote:
ComebackKid said: Aaha I'm glad you were the first to comment! Everytime I think of foil Vs lids I think back to the time where you and another member were having a heated debate on someones thread over which was better 
Which I won when he said RR uses lids in his video then gave me a tonne of shit only to find out RR used foil haha I still get a little tickle in the bottom of my balls every time I think about it, that and a comment inoc made about turning his browser on and off to see a post lol In this thread Also I just said foil is fine he was saying foil is the devil.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9] 1
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: bodhisatta]
#23709749 - 10/05/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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So you should always bottom water as soon as you see pins?
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Yep feed them fuckers
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23709765 - 10/05/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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What if they pin only from the bottom?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: spongegar]
#23709835 - 10/05/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then your doing it wrong
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23709845 - 10/05/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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nicely presented.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: spongegar]
#23709858 - 10/05/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks Mushboy
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spongegar said: What if they pin only from the bottom?
They will still appreciate bottom watering. I haven't had any drown pins yet, only thirsty ones 
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Thewhiteandblack said: So you should always bottom water as soon as you see pins?
Yes, but no sooner!
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9] 1
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: spongegar]
#23709878 - 10/05/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Correct my grammer. YOUR cakes still suck I'm glad all you could do was pick apart a singular part of my answer to your retard question. Well done YOU'REwinning in life
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23712268 - 10/06/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23712329 - 10/06/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn, I thought all we would have to worry about here were the cops. Now we have grammar as well.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23712487 - 10/06/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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good stuff! but what's CBK?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: spacechildo]
#23712497 - 10/06/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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OPs name? ComeBackKid?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Mad Season] 1
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: spacechildo]
#23713653 - 10/06/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I figured the title was getting a little wordy so I trimmed it up a bit. Next edit I'll put an apostrophe in there to give the CBK possession (just for the grammar nazis)
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
#23764273 - 10/23/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This looks really good, but I've read a few posts saying that standing water close to cakes is, "asking for contamination". Is this true? Have you had any problems with this? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Caledscratch] 2
#23764309 - 10/23/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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When bottom watering you may want to pour off excess not soaked up in 12-24 hr. Just don't want noobs thinking it's OK to leave cakes in a constant pool of water. The goal is to add extra moisture for the fruits while they are fruiting. Never forget evaporation is a pinning trigger, we want to encourage pinning when they cakes are not actively fruiting. Which is why we dunk and roll. To fully hydrate the cakes and have extra water for fruits and to allow for evaporation. There is a optimal balance.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Caledscratch]
#23764312 - 10/23/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The water is fine as long as the cakes are "drinking" it. That's why it's important not to fill the dishes until your cakes develop a pinset.
Before your pinset, the dishes may collect a bit of water from misting but not enough to be concerned about. It will evaporate along with the surface moisture.
It is also important to remember to change the water every day or so if your cakes aren't drinking it fast enough. I currently am filling my dishes every 12 hours because my cakes are using it faster than I would need to change it
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
#23764339 - 10/23/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Unless there's a hole in it
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#23764385 - 10/23/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just thought I would add that I started using this last week and the cakes have been drinking it up. And they seem very healthy too. So thanks!!
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On the one hand it's sad that something this simple needs it's own tek. . .on the other hand I'm tired of describing this to people over and over again. Now I can just link this.
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Glad to hear it's working out and you're noticing results! Share some pics of those babys 
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Yeeeeaaaahhhh...
Thanks Pasty! Good to see it's got your "EZ seal of approval" hahaaa
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
#23764570 - 10/23/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love this, good shit CBK! Having cakes sit in saucers and filling the saucer with water once the cake starts pinning should absolutely become a necessary and mandatory practice for sure, I'm right with you on that one. I love how you have brought the practice of bottom watering cakes to attention, that's brilliant of you, thank you CBK!
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ComebackKid said: I want to make bottom watering as easy and readily available as I can for newcomers and all PF cake growers alike. I believe it should be common practice like the dunk & roll.
Quoted for truth, as do I. But may I please propose an easier and more sensible approach. No need to use any foil, no having to even worry about the foil taring and leaking, no need to have to even make anything (as easy as it would be to follow your tek), no need to re-use foil if the foil tares, no having to ever re-make the saucer.
Granted that the plastic lid is large enough to fit a cake into, I would propose using plastic lids.
 
You can also kill two birds with one stone.

Convenient, reusable, washable, no having to wasting foil on making saucers out of jar lids and rings, so why not?
You can edit the fact that you can use plastic lids into the OP if you wish CBK, I think that would be an excellent ideal and extremely cool of you to have that information more easily accessible in the OP.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: AllDay420]
#23764586 - 10/23/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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 Your lucky this ain't a Morty thread
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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 Your lucky this ain't a Morty thread
Explain. What would have happened if this was a Morty thread?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: AllDay420]
#23764632 - 10/23/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You don't wanna know
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23764666 - 10/23/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Meh waste of time bro, nothing productive or anything one would assume. I guess I'll just have to look up Morty myself, read some of him posts and find out myself what Morty would have said if you refuse to tell me, then again I don't feel like wasting my time so I probably will not. I don't know who Morty is, but by the sounds of it he's a resident troll or something? Either way, whatever man I don't really care enough to find out for myself at this point, either tell me or don't, this probably has nothing to do with the topic anyway. If it does, my apologies, please prove me wrong.
Now back to the topic of bottom watering cakes please. What's the point of changing the water in the saucer every 24 hours?
Say a cake does not drink it's water in 24 hours...
Like what is the actual point of tipping what water that the cake did not drink out and filling it up with new water?
I see no logic in it. Why not just fill the saucer up to the top along with what water was left in the saucer so that you don't not waste any water?
I mean if a cake drinks all the water in less than 24hours it is a given that you must fill it back up with water once there is very little, or no water left.
But if there was say, half the water left why would you tip it out and fill it with new water, why not just leave the existing water in and fill it to the top.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: AllDay420] 1
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Standing water breeds bacteria
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Ahh but of course, true that. Right you are!
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: AllDay420]
#23764718 - 10/23/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's just good practice to be on the safe side
I updated the OP thanks for the suggestion. I was coincidentally thinking about peanut butter lids this morning at breakfast after Mazdar mentioned he had a hole in his foil.
Also I believe he was referring to This thread. But thanks for keeping us on topic
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
#23764754 - 10/23/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's just good practice to be on the safe side
Yeah word. You could even use the leftover water in the saucer for something else, that way it's better.
Reduce, re-use, re-cycle was my main concern, humans are un-necessary wasters of resources.
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ComebackKid said: I updated the OP thanks for the suggestion. I was coincidentally thinking about peanut butter lids this morning at breakfast after Mazdar mentioned he had a hole in his foil.
 No coincidence, great minds think alike. I'm just glad I could enforce your attention to update the OP going over the use of plastic lids, plastic lids as saucers are a much needed mention in your tek for sure.
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ComebackKid said: Also I believe he was referring to This thread. But thanks for keeping us on topic
Thank you, that saves me the itch in the back of my head wondering what that Morty thing is about. And you are welcome.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: AllDay420]
#23785795 - 10/30/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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How full should the foil dish be? I personally used an old empty syringe and did about 8cc worth. Is that okay?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#23786012 - 10/30/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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have you tried just fruiting cased grain? Less effort, can still use SGFC
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#23786176 - 10/30/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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1) Make sure you put the cake in the dish first. 2) Fill to the top of the dish with water.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: AllDay420]
#23786612 - 10/30/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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lovelaughlibs said: How full should the foil dish be?
1) Make sure you put the cake in the dish first. 2) Fill to the top of the dish with water.
Alright, thanks. Did em both, cake seems to have "drank" basically it all, so I'll add more tomorrow morning.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: lovelaughlibs]
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You should do before and after pics of a days drink.
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#23786841 - 10/30/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hah.
Just saw my name was dropped in this one.
Mr.Mazda knows what's up. If I write a tek and then someone comes in and hijacks my thread with pics and all sorts of shit-thems are fightin' words.


Fool came in with pics of plastic lids... jesus----that's too funny.
CBK-you just gonna take that?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: morty422]
#23786854 - 10/30/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol plastic lids are actually better than foil lids, to deny the fact would be trolling therefor you are trolling, and trolling is against the rules.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: AllDay420]
#23786900 - 10/30/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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AllDay420 said: Lol plastic lids are actually better than foil lids, to deny the fact would be trolling therefor you are trolling, and trolling is against the rules.
Before you make assumptions -you should go read my posts.
I don't troll-I don't even usually comment unless it's pertinent information or me and another member joking about something. This is the exact reason Mazda mentioned me above-because of a comical string of posts we both engaged in on one of my own threads.
In all honesty-I agree that plastic lids are better in this scenario and never said anything about them not being more practical.
I thought it was funny that you came in with pics, etc... because...well...it was funny to me. 
Comebackkid, mrMazda and myself have been screwing with each other for quite a while.
So....
Not sure what you're trying to do here.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: morty422]
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I CBF reading shit for comical value man, but yea plastic lids are better.
Sweet as, I'm not in on your inside jokes, I'm just staying on topic.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: AllDay420]
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AllDay420 said: I CBF reading shit for comical value man, but yea plastic lids are better.
Sweet as, I'm not in on your inside jokes, I'm just staying on topic.
To stay on topic:
Sure, plastic lids in my opinion would be better for this application. However, what I believe comebackkid was trying to accomplish was a super-easy and cost effective way for a noob to bottom feed their cakes without having to buy any additional supplies.
There are a lot of teks on this forum that sort of "cater" to noobs that don't have certain advanced supplies or don't have the money to go purchase a lot of extra shit. (Not that plastic lids are super-expensive anyway... but you get my point, I hope...)
CBK made this tek with the intention to help someone who would like to/or needs to immediately bottom water their cakes and only has the equipment they currently had during their first grow to do it with....
and for that... I say it's great!
Plastic lids may be better, but that wasn't really the point I feel. This is a "you've got no excuse, bruh" sort of tek. And to me, it makes perfect sense.
I currently have a 66 quart monotub that I modified for when I use 6-7 quarts of spawn in it. It has a small plastic tube that I can fit an average sized bottle of water into that can bring water directly to the bottom of the substrate with ease. I recently used it to bottom feed a sub that had the most massive pinset I have ever seen off of any of my grows. This flush drank so much water, I thought I had to call off work for the entire flush so I could continually dump water into that son of a bitch...
With that being said-I'm all about ingenuity. But, I sort of felt like this tek was more for the person that wanted to bottom feed easily without buying any additional bullshittery...
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: morty422]
#23787344 - 10/31/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I know it's a sort of makeshift tek so there are no excuses for anyone NOT to have dishes for cakes.
All the points you bring up are valid.
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Just saw my name was dropped in this one.
Mr.Mazda knows what's up. If I write a tek and then someone comes in and hijacks my thread with pics and all sorts of shit-thems are fightin' words.


Fool came in with pics of plastic lids... jesus----that's too funny.
CBK-you just gonna take that?

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morty422 said: Hah.
Just saw my name was dropped in this one.
Mr.Mazda knows what's up. If I write a tek and then someone comes in and hijacks my thread with pics and all sorts of shit-thems are fightin' words.


Fool came in with pics of plastic lids... jesus----that's too funny.
CBK-you just gonna take that?

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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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morty422 said: Hah.
Just saw my name was dropped in this one.
Mr.Mazda knows what's up. If I write a tek and then someone comes in and hijacks my thread with pics and all sorts of shit-thems are fightin' words.


Fool came in with pics of plastic lids... jesus----that's too funny.
CBK-you just gonna take that?

What can I say? I guess I'm just a sucker for good input 

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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: morty422]
#23800681 - 11/04/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I got curious. The lids on wide mouth jars are 9 Cm(90MM) a lot of disposable petri dishes are around that, ones I am looking at getting are 100MM. When done they could be washed and soaked in bleach and rinsed thoroughly and then reused for this. You would also get 2 dishes out of one petri dish set. Great way to recycle "disposable" petri dishes.
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#23800965 - 11/04/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Petri dishes Ahhh another one
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: TheMadHatter420]
#23801213 - 11/04/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like the way you think. Are half petri dishes as deep as a widemouth lid as well? I was always under the impression that they were shallow little things.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
#23801733 - 11/04/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The problem with these "alternatives" that really have no place on this tek are that as morty said this isnt a whats best tek its a damn foil bottom watering tek. I can name a load of things around my house that I can use but its not in the spirit of the thread. Everyone has tin foil not everyone has petris or spare plastic lids.
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#23801889 - 11/04/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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My foil lids are awesome. My 3 cakes i didn't dunk and roll are some thirsty devils while they're growing my mushrooms drank a whole lid tonight in 2 hours. I didn't have any other options this takes literally 1 minute per lid to make. Without this thread I literally would have had zero idea I should be doing this. Awesome.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: BCJC]
#23802206 - 11/04/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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For the record. I just birthed 12 cakes today and made foil lid bowls for all of them. I totally approve and cant wait to see what happens for me.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: BCJC] 2
#23802843 - 11/05/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tbh I've got no problems with the alternatives in this thread. If petri dishes get the job done don't hesitate to let us know or post pics 
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This was my main goal with the tek
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Just annoys me its like going on pf tek and trolling with monotub suggestions
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23802911 - 11/05/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I will show pics when I get somewhere with these cakes. From what I saw on here I got high hopes that it will faten up my haul.
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This was my main goal with the tek
Well said. It's about results and sharing. Intellectual property is not what any of this is about.
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definitely will
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#23803003 - 11/05/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here yah go. Not sure if it would have happened without. But my mushrooms grew considerably after watering. This is last night after they drank a full lid in about 2 hours. I've since picked the cake farthest to the left veils ripped open over night.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: BCJC]
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Hey, sorry about being a grammar Nazi, I thought nagging on each other here wasn't considered as an insult, just a part of the communication . So I'm growing PESA on brf cakes. Amazing pins, just started bottom watering, will update when I'll pick them. Thanks Mazda and cbk for mentioning bottom watering so often.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: spongegar]
#23829692 - 11/13/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just started bottom watering on the 5 with the most pins today. 7/12 in good pinning, other 5 are still primordial/early pins. There are 5 different cube varieties in here, so its only natural that some will go faster than others. This will allow me to choose a few good clones from a crazy amount of spores. Check my sweet pinning on these pint cakes. Will start a grow log of these in a bit.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: spongegar]
#23829883 - 11/13/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those PESA have some real dark caps! And holy shit madhatter those things are pinning like mad! Did you just use a spore syringe to inoculate? A pinset like that is definitely going to benifit from the extra water!
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid] 2
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Each pint got 2cc of MS solution. I have been babying these things while I am home. If they get a little moist and I am home, I just turn the lid sideways for more FAE and evaporation. I make sure they don't dry our. They also had 2 dunk and rolls. 1st time they got a 22hr dunk in jars, then rolled. I had read of someone giving them a heavy spray and covering with more vermiculite. Well on day 3 I sprayed them down very well, sat in a dish of fine vermiculite and proceeded to coat a 2nd time. This time I could not see any mycelium through the vermiculite. Was nicely coated. Guessing it holds a lot of moisture and aided in evaporation. Well this is how it turned out on day 9.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: TheMadHatter420]
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Impressive! I assumed LC
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#23831171 - 11/14/16 04:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What does it mean if the caps are dark? The shrooms had doubled in size during the night, didn't drink as much as I'd expected. Can't wait till I get home tonight.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: spongegar]
#23831250 - 11/14/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yoy see dark caps here and there, it doesn't mean anything. Just genetics. They'll lighten up as they grow but I like seeing really dark caps
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Harvested these today. Used some bottom watering.
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Nice Flush! So did you just water them once a day, twice, or until they just slowly stopped drinking? Seems like most cakes drink up a cap full in about a few hours, just wondering how manys caps a day or what the best amount of water is to restrict them to?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: thegwd]
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I would replenish the water as fast as they could drink it. I think I was watering twice a day for these.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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Nice, yeah my buddy is following your advice on his other cakes. Doing a lot more misting, added more perlite, and they are starting to pin/fruit. One cake in particular is doing a lot better than the others, but all of them are super thirsty. Wanted to be sure he wasn't giving them too much water, not sure if that is even possible with bottom watering?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: thegwd]
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As long as there are pins then you're good to go. If there are no pins then your cakes can become waterlogged
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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very informative i could have used this when i dried my cakes out with a space heater
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: projectbadass]
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Damn.. can't believe I missed this one. Nice stuff!
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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Good stuff.
I wonder if those one piece plastic glass jars would work too or if they are too small....
Nevermind themadhatter used them. Very impressible madhatter holy shit best MS grow ive seen in a minute!
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Cakes super saturated. Gelatin/slime on the bottom. As soon as i saw pins i have my gf start bottom watering (as i was in the hospital. She says she kept up a 2 mist 5-6 fan schedule and just filled up the tins as the shrooms drank them. But my pins that are tuning to fruits seems stalled. Nothings really growed much in about a week. A few may be green is. A few have gelatin on the bottom. And all seem super saturated and overly wet. A few fruits on the bottom look like they might be starting to turn green. Any advice guys? Did my bottom watering fuck it up? They looked great untill now.





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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
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Sorry for the repeat upload pics. Some of them didnt work right when i added them so it skipped a few and instead added repeats of others
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057180 - 02/01/17 12:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Friskydingo2525 said: Cakes super saturated. Gelatin/slime on the bottom. As soon as i saw pins i have my gf start bottom watering (as i was in the hospital. She says she kept up a 2 mist 5-6 fan schedule and just filled up the tins as the shrooms drank them. But my pins that are tuning to fruits seems stalled. Nothings really growed much in about a week. A few may be green is. A few have gelatin on the bottom. And all seem super saturated and overly wet. A few fruits on the bottom look like they might be starting to turn green. Any advice guys? Did my bottom watering fuck it up? They looked great untill now.




 
I only see pins on one of your cakes man Other than that I don't notice any visable damage to your cakes. They will naturally be more slimy where they sit in the water. How long is stalled?
Edit nvm I see them now. Stalled for a week? There has to be something else at work here... hopefully someone else can chime in about that
Either way you'll want to discontinue bottom watering untill you start seeing some growth.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057249 - 02/01/17 12:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats exactly what i was thinking. Everything else is per tek. And prior to me being the hospital, things were looking great. Now its looking like i may have to abandon this batch and start over. Too many variables. I left my gf in charge with strict instructions. But that leave a huge window where im just relying on work of mouth.:/
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
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Do you have any links to good threads with showing obvious defferences between green and blue? I cant seem to tell the difference. It all looks greenish blue to me in the bad spots
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057271 - 02/01/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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When its bruising itll b just that a bruise, trich will appear as almost a scab layer on the surface, i dnt got ne links sorry. Just giver a little searchy
Here i found a good one for ya https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
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Pastywhyte said: Standing water breeds bacteria
Sorry CBK, no bueno on this, we stopped doing it a very long time ago and last week had 3 people struggling.. they got wet bacterial fruits out the bottom.. thank you for your efforts maybe it'll work for people in really dry environments I dunno
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Adden]
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all it needs is a change to bottom water for 2-3 hours at a time(as needed) then dump the water and replace the cake on the foil/lid with no standing water.
if gelatin forms you did it wrong way wrong
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Adden] 1
#24057415 - 02/01/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Adden Don't know how you missed this just a few posts up from that quote.  Your quote was pasty answering the question why it's important to change the water every 24 hours.
The standing water shouldn't be an issue when bottom watering if the cakes are using it.
In this case it seems as though the pins aborted for some reason and aren't using the water, which is why the cakes have become over saturated.
I believe there are other forces at work here. But I have been wrong in the past...
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057506 - 02/01/17 02:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks marmie. But i have that page bookmarked already and reference it daily lol. It doesnt look scabby. Its on the myc level. Its not risen above it. Its just darker than the blue i had seen on them previously when they were dry. Thanks for all the imput. I think thats the issue. The first couple of days, they drank up the water. Even encouraged several large fruits to grow in the water. But at somepoint, they stopped growing and no longer needed the water, thus over saturating the cakes. So ive put them back on the lids only. Ive done no misting since ive been home. Only fanning. Does any of this look salvagable guys?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Adden] 1
#24057558 - 02/01/17 03:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Standing water breeds bacteria
Sorry CBK, no bueno on this, we stopped doing it a very long time ago and last week had 3 people struggling.. they got wet bacterial fruits out the bottom.. thank you for your efforts maybe it'll work for people in really dry environments I dunno
Lol I live in the UK couldnt get much wetter environment bottom watering works fine for me. I change water each morning when I wake up then again around 8pm. Never got any bacterial problems.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
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Aslong as it dont trich out on ya it shld bounce back in a day or so , ive done sumthing similar before n it all worked out , jst dont mess with it n let it do its thang, good luck
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24057618 - 02/01/17 03:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a proven method for sure.
But if three people in a week were struggling with it then I definitely need to edit the write up in some way. Maybe a disclaimer somewhere Depending on how these members were struggling of course...
On another note. Here's a pic I posted in pic of the day a couple days ago.
First flush MS syringe 1/4 pint PF cake

I thought it was neat that these suckers ended up bigger than the substrate they were growing out of anyway
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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Thats freaking sweet mate
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
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Deff gonna do the bottom watering. Because for a couple days it turned a couple pins into fat meaty fruits. But im going on a as needed basis now. Perhaps 2-3 hrs a day before night during the temp drop in their cycle
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
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Im also thinking maybe my pinset wasnt big enough to need the excess water
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
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[Friskydingo2525 said: Deff gonna do the bottom watering. Because for a couple days it turned a couple pins into fat meaty fruits. But im going on a as needed basis now. Perhaps 2-3 hrs a day before night during the temp drop in their cycle
Exactly how Its done
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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Sweet. I will implement this as soon as the cakes arent on the edge of destruction
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#24059988 - 02/02/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So my next grow after this, well wish I had pics. I took 2 of those big foil "roaster pans" with the clear plastic tall lids. They were like 16inch by 11. I took a total of 16 of my 1/2 pint pf cakes and used them. Crumbled 8 for each and mixed with 1 full QT of coir each and cased with verm. Basically mini-mono tubs. They each went 5 or 6 flushes without trich. 1st flush off each was right around 1.5 oz dry off each tray. So that was equivilent to 8 of my pint pf cakes, as far as sub used, but yield was very much better for me.
Even just crumbling cakes into coir at a 2:1 spawn:coir ratio gets you a hell of a lot more. Any of you can do this. In past I did same thing but mixed in only verm and yield was still way better than cakes alone. At the end of my cakes I took w pint cakes, that were slow growing cause it had bacteria. Did this in a butter dish. Pulled 3/4 dry oz off it befor trich hit. I meen hell I new they were bad, probably wouldn't have done shit as cakes but I got some thing out of them.
I got 18QT of spawn that I will make up into trays this weekend/early next week. I will try to do a grow log. This is a good "next step" after cakes, and it allows you to use little spawn to do trial grows. I succeded with these while 1st attempt at mini-mono tubs, well didn't turn out so well.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: On the one hand it's sad that something this simple needs it's own tek. . .on the other hand I'm tired of describing this to people over and over again. Now I can just link this.
Good job 
Why would you endorse this? I admire CBK's efforts to reinvent the wheel, and try to help people, but every grow log I see doing this leaves fragile bacterial fruits that take forever to pin/die. It does nothing beneficial that can't be done with a dunk and misting. Even then it'd have to be a hot and dry environment with constant air flow for this to be a reasonable solution to anything whatsoever. We used to do this 15 years ago. We stopped doing it because it sucks and raises failure and bacterial rates.
The only bottom-watering that should be done is if a cake needs hydration, and placed in a shallow dish to soak up what it needs.. even then in rare circumstances or with thirsty varieties like ksss or pe, or when people just do it wrong.
You guys are reorganizing everything for a solid front page but outdated stuff like this is called a tek and proven over and over to be failures and a waste of time. I'm disappointed this thread has so many views because it's that many more people I'm gonna have to deal with in 5 weeks on how to fix their grow.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Adden] 1
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Dude no offense but I think you're blowing this waaaaay out of proportion.
Bottom watering is a proven method and is perfectly safe and pleanty benificial for any grow.
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Violet said: BOTTOM-WATERING is a solution to balance the water-to-nutrition ratio (can be thought of conceptually as the likes of 1:10 respectively) by gradually feeding water to the grain cake as they draw moisture up into mushrooms.
Fully-colonized substrates can be hydrated with tap water, and mycelium easily move water across substrates to growing mushrooms, so there is no need for any extra steps to provide our grows with the amount of water they require for optimum yield (and no water goes wasted).
It is truly as simple as it sounds. Once the cake has shrunk enough due to the first flush to pull away from the sides of the container, add water to come up to at least half way up the side of the cake depending on its height. If there is very little space on the sides, a small amount of water may come almost up to the casing level, which is okay.
The most important time to water is when pins are starting to grow.
  You will see it gradually disappear into the cake and ultimately into mushrooms.
 If a cake has not drawn up lingering water by 3-4 days after a flush is harvested I often remove that water until the next round of pins is growing since this is usually a sign that the cake has enough water for now and they will not use more until it is being moved to larger forming fruits.
Why does bottom-watering work, and so well? Colonized sub can hold more water than uncolonized sub material; once it's colonized it can soak it up like a sponge and be just fine. Thus all water does not have to be present in the substrate at colonization. Dunks are obviously not a sterile procedure. Immediately after "birthing" PF cakes they go straight to a dunk!, because fully-colonized sub is extremely resistant to contamination. Once grains are fully colonized & consolidated you can definitely use non-sterile water without risk.
Therefore, and since mycelium can absorb and migrate moisture: All water does not have to be present in the substrate for fruiting, either.
Since these cakes are small they have plenty of area to take-in moisture and nowhere that is too far from that moisture as to become anhydrous.
Here are six excellent containers of multi-spore AA+ by Anne:
   
  
The cakes can and will flush, flush, flush, & flush again! They will not stop until contaminating or until they have had enough water to expend their nutrition fruiting.
Just a few photos to give an idea. Will add some more as I can take them. Some of my first flushes with multi-spore...
  
3rd flushes from some ok clones...
  
4th/5th flushes, perhaps even beyond!

Cakes become smushy soggy piles of spent mycelium a fraction of their original size in 4-7 flushes. Let them keep going and keep the water coming!
The amount of water violet is using in her write-up is almost double the amount I suggest to use in mine. And she even implys that you could be using more than that!
Bacterial cakes are not a symptom caused by bottom watering
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid] 1
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The only instance where I can see bottom-watering being counterproductive is when you add the water way before pinning starts or leave it pooling there once the pins have taken all the water they could use. It's a matter of reading what the mushrooms need.
I see a benefit to bottom watering if the pinset is going to be heavy and it becomes obvious that the water content of the cake will not be able to sustain it.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Josex] 1
#24061147 - 02/02/17 08:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly! With a heavy pinset on a cake you're going to end up with skinny short fruits unless you can supply enough water. A dunk and regular misting will not be able to provide enough water no matter what you do.
As long as there are pins you're fine
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid] 1
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Bottom watering was well worth it for me. Even with, I still could not supply enough water. The cakes in my sig were bottom watered. I lost 2/3 of the pins to aborts, most likely the cake aborted them cause they all could not be supplied with enough water. I was getting like 200+ pins on many of these.
I know someone will give me some shit for saying this. If your woried, put a tiny bit of peroxide in the water. Will fight bacteria and mycelium will be fine. Change water every 12 hrs.
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Peroxide breaks down into water in the presence of light. That's why it comes in a opaque brown bottle. Unless you fruit in the dark the peroxide is plain water very quick.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
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This is true pasty, so not very effective the 1st time, but on round 2+ of the bottom wattering, adding just a bit can weaken any bacteria that started to grow in what ever tray you have under your cakes. So when you change the water, it will weaken any bacteria and hopefully keep them weak enough that they don't continue to grow and divide. It will not be an end all on bacteria, but can cause enough damage to slow its life cycle down buying time for us. Kind of like pressure cooking jars doesn't kill everything, but gives us a few week window for the mycelium to take hold.
I am not sure how long it takes the peroxide to break down, you are right though, it is quick though. But hey even if it breakes down in 15 min, it still fucked up most bacteria in there, and constantly changing it brings in fresh peroxide. Think of it like hand sanitizer, kills on contact but don't do much unless reapplied.
At the very least one should wash their bottom watering trays, if you have enough to trade out, or rinse them with the peroxide.
I will stand behind bottom watering and go so far as to say that if it causes contamination, then it was user error. Just changing the water reguarly and rinsing the trays out will go a long way.
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TheMadHatter420 said: Bottom watering was well worth it for me. Even with, I still could not supply enough water. The cakes in my sig were bottom watered. I lost 2/3 of the pins to aborts, most likely the cake aborted them cause they all could not be supplied with enough water. I was getting like 200+ pins on many of these.
I know someone will give me some shit for saying this. If your woried, put a tiny bit of peroxide in the water. Will fight bacteria and mycelium will be fine. Change water every 12 hrs.
You would be far better off using like 100-200ppm of chlorine than peroxide, peroxide is pretty useless.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: bodhisatta]
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Most bacteria is pretty harmless to a fully colonized substrate. Bacteria won't bloom in plain water with no nutrition. Adding peroxide to bottom water is an ineffective solution to a non existent problem IMO.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
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I guess I am just over cautious. 13 years in food industyr will do that to you. As far as the chlorine I never thaught abut that. Now I wonder how much is in my tap water. Although, chlorine has the issue of evaporating out of water.
Pasty your right, a clean colonized sub should be fine. Please keep in mind your a god, and many of us are mice. We still fuck shit up. Some may spawn a cake a bit to soon.
Good example here. I had 2 pint cakes from 1st round of gettin back into growing. They got bacteria and stalled at about 75%. I said fuck it and used them for an experiment. I slipped the lid and soaked both in full strength 3% peroxide and let sit a couple hours. Then drained and slipped a half inch dry vermiculite in there. Flipped jard upside down so left over peroxide ran down and was captureds by vermiculite. The recovered and fully colonized. I crumbled them into a tray with a pint of coir. Wish I had pic to share.
Yes they triched out but I pulled 3/4 a dry oz off 1st flush. Would have never got it without peroxide, so I don't think it is fully useless, just some people expect it to be a miracle cure, which it is not, BUT it will SLOW bacteria down, NOT knock it out. So if you spawn to soon, noobs, it can help you get something instead of nothing. Those of you who have mastered clean spawn really don't have any use for it.
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First off I'm just a regular guy. I don't even have a flowhood. I am careful with my culture practices but it's not hard to do that. Anyone can do it
Second I'm not convinced that the peroxide has anything to do with you pulling a yield before the bacterial cakes spawned to coir triched out. Sounds quite normal and would be the same result I would expect to see without the peroxide.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
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The cakes had been stalled for about a week. The peroxide killed/weakened enough bacteria that they started to colonize again and finished. This part would not have happened, in my opinion, without peroxide. I honestly knew they would trich as they were bacterial as fuck, using peroxde I got something instead of nothing.
It is very possible that I am just to worried. I am slowly getting away from peroxide as I work with agar. Peroxide most likely does not have a place in the lab of an experianced grower. When in early days of growing, it can help us correct errros or atleast fight off contamination a little longer to get some fruits. Can meen the difference between getting discouraged and quiting, or going in for another round.
Peroxide may not be needed but I think it gets much unneeded hate.
And with that I really should stop highjacking this thread.
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Peroxide harms cube mycelium. Anything that harms cube mycelium is a vector for mold.
I know new people want to feel they have safety net. But your best safety net in this hobby is to not need one.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: spacechildo]
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Just curious, as its some thing I have considered, what's your take on using antibiotics, specialy in LC? Is it worth it or just overkill?
Also I have had agar plates that visually are clean, but after a bit of time, I can get that faint bacteria smell. What advice can you give? If I smell it is it really there? How can I eliminate what I can not see?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Thanks pasty. I always appreciate your input. Guess I am just paranoid and need to learn to trust my skill.
I been doing your EZ agar tk with 1/2 pint jars. The transfers go well, 95% turn out no visable signs of bacteria. Then when close to fully colonizing plate, I can some times get that faint bacteria smell. I PC my plates 30 min at 15psi. Perhaps there will always be a slight smell? I meen I used one to make LC, yes I used lil of that dreded peroxide, it has given me18QT of the best spawn I have ever had. So I'm just kind of lost here. Maybe I am not really smelling bacteria.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
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I dont understand where the peroxide thing came from fungi are living things peroxide would be bad for them, what started it? Peroxide should be left for eminem wannabees and slutty womens hair.
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Peroxide became big when people were fruiting in fishtanks and other choke contraptions. Cobweb mold (dactyllium) was a real problem and ran amuck in those high CO2 environments. Because cubes could survive a spraying of H2O2 but it killed dactyllium immediately, it was the best option for controlling those outbreaks.
Time passed, we got better at fruiting design, the cobweb became a contam we never see anymore, and peroxide hung on as a noobs last hope despite having very little actual use.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Ahh thanks pasty always puzzled me why people thought it was a good idea.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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Been using bottom watering sparingly since my cakes have recovered from water logging. Im seeing new pins pop up here and there, but my fruits jist arent growing at all. The longest one is about 1 inch long, but super fat. Does anyone know any situation where it would be right that ive had pins for over 3 weeks with no mature fuits complete whatsoever?
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Over misting?
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Did you happen to mention what strain you're growing? More pics always help
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Strain you should know better than that cbk
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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Strain you should know better than that cbk 
Except in the case of fatass varieties is might matter. If the person was growing KSSS or APE they might be done growing and rotting away in need of a harvest. APE often won't grow taller than an inch and same with KSSS.
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Friskydingo2525 said: The longest one is about 1 inch long, but super fat. Does anyone know any situation where it would be right that ive had pins for over 3 weeks with no mature fuits complete whatsoever?
I was thinking KSSS mutant variety  Also why I mentioned pics may help. But if it's confirmed KSSS (or APE) then I think it's case closed
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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They are GT from a MS syringe. They actually get blue sometimes from getting slightly dry so i doubt its over misting. This was a few days ago. They have gotten slightly bigger. But not on track with the general consensus that it takes about a week to 10 days from pins to mature fruit
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Mushrooms are usually small for a while and then explode with growth later on Might just have to wait on your pins but recent pics couldn't hurt
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
#24065383 - 02/04/17 03:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well apparently i just cant bottom water. 1 hr in water and the cakes are dark all the way to the top with super saturation... Crap
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Okay are you bottom watering before the pinset is in? Cause that's not a good idea. You need to have a certain amount of fruits on the cake because if you don't then there is no where for the water to go and the cake gets waterlogged.
I wouldn't bother to bottom water a cake with less than 10 pins that weren't at least an inch long.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Do the majority of you spray the cakes with water too, or just the tub and perlite?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Bluetang99]
#24065837 - 02/04/17 07:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spray your cakes. They actually need the water. Tub and perlite will get wet in the crossfire but it's not nessisary to mist tub walls.
Misting tub walls was old info back in the dual chamber terrarium days when people used to think suffocating your cakes and depriving them of water was a good idea
Edit Mixed up PMP with ultra richmans terrarium
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24066986 - 02/05/17 09:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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All my pins are babies. There is deff more than 10 on the cakes i put in water. But only 2 of em are an inch or longer
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
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So random update. No pics yet. Been pretty busy. I put my chamber in a closet so i can regulate the temp better. I took the temp up to75-80 because it was looking like a failed project, and i didnt have anything to loose. And ive been misting like crazy to compensate for the heater offsetting the RH. Dude... The growth has taken off! New pins. Pins turning into caps. 1"+ growth in just a day. Whatever im doing now seems to be working like crazy.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mushboy]
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Just found this interesting since it goes against almost everything anyone will tell you about proper growing conditions
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24069794 - 02/06/17 12:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use my basement which is cold as fuck. I too need to heat, but I have a 250W heat lamp clamped uner the table. I use this as rest of basment in about 50f while my tent stays about 70-73f, and I don't get those dry air currents that a heater will produce. I get good growth and nothing drys out on me.
Just an FYI, many people try to avoid higher temps as those will encourage more contamination growth. I find when I do get some mold, it grows slow as fuck in those temps compaired to shrooms so I can finish a flush and then junk it.
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While bottom watering with the pinset in place, how much should I mist? less then usual, same?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: mushhiehunter]
#24089088 - 02/14/17 05:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mist when the surface starts to dry, per usual
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Hello,
I am new and have my first 8 x 1/2qt jars are currently in the last phase of colonizing. I have been doing a lot of reading, but could not find info on handling BRF cakes. in your instructions you indicate that you should dump the water every 24hrs, to reduce potential bacterial growth in standing water. but you start watering "after" a pin set has developed. then basically 24hrs after the, for all intents, delicate pins has formed, now we start picking up the cake and changing the water in the lids that it is sitting in. how is this done without smooching the pins?
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Re: dumping water every 24 hrs [Re: MycoWhisper] 1
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Unrelated but don't forget to let them consolidate at least a week after no BRF can be seen in the jars.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: MycoWhisper]
#24482668 - 07/14/17 12:10 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just made a lid will try it out bottom watering on this the second flush..
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Re: dumping water every 24 hrs [Re: MycoWhisper]
#24482693 - 07/14/17 12:22 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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1/2 qt or 1/2 pint?
I usually don't take my cakes out to change the water. I just keep refilling the dish with the cakes in place. A good pinset will use the water without needing to change it.
With a pinset like the cakes in my picture I just carefully handled the cakes from the bottom and top. But basically you can hold them however you want just make sure you're not squishing your pins.
Also, as adden mentioned, don't forget to consolidate your cakes for a week and then dunk and roll after birthing!!
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Re: dumping water every 24 hrs [Re: ComebackKid]
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So I started using BW EK for second flush. I am using 1 pint cakes and notice the watering does not keep the top half of cake wet. I believe that this tel will work best with 1/2p jars. No matter how much water I add to perlite, I cannot get humidity over 80-85%. SGFC 2IN SPEC I think is too open for my garage. That said I got 293g wet from first flush. After d&r and BW TEK there fruit is starting larger than first flush.
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Re: dumping water every 24 hrs [Re: MycoWhisper]
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Your second flush will naturally be larger than first without bottom watering but they will still benifit from more water.
SGFC are usually in the 50-60% range for humidity don't worry yourself over RH it will only cause you to do stupid things.
Also keep in mind that bottom watering is not a replacement for misting
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Bumping this thread because it was one of the best reads I found on the subject!
Thanks for the detailed cake teks CBK.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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Did this. One of the medium sized (later discovered mature) fruits got pretty slimy. Once I noticed I plucked it and threw it into the dehydrator. I think I saved it. Removed the water immediately. There was less than 10mL remaining. About 30mL went in to start.
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You need to be emptying the water once hydrated and dont leave them over 24 hours in the same water or they will get slimey
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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awesome, thank you for this information!
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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So when pins arrive and you begin using watering dish do you continue to mist and fan same as normal?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Trippin4ever]
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I started this tek today due to low humidity in my room because of the heat running even with a humidifier. I flipped one of the cakes as it had a lot of fruits on the bottom of the cake. Would this be a problem for any reason? Sorry if I’m asking for info that has already been given. I read through a lot of the thread but it was getting off track so I thought I’d just ask. Thanks for any info in advance. Much appreciated
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
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will be doing this today.. thank you
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ninono]
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Does this count as being fully colonized? And now I wait another 3-7 days for it to consolidate?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: SumFunGi]
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Thank you. Someone suggested your TEK to me. Will be trying it out today. Very simple process
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: KanabisKing]
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This thread is great. Thanks for posting.
I have a couple questions for any experienced cultivators that are willing to answer.
1) It was mentioned a few times throughout the thread that you should always put the cake into the lid then add the water. I don't remember seeing the reason that this is so important. Can anybody explain why it's important to do in this order? I have no attachment to doing it either way but I'm curious.
2) Say a cake has 10 plus pins but a number of them are growing near the bottom meaning that they will be submerged in water if bottom fed. Would you still use this tek or is there a suggestion on how to modify things so we don't lose those pins.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Whoa_Brah]
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1. If you do it other way around you might have added too much water the cake pushes the extra up and over. Or you'll be topping it up. Cake in first you can get it right every time.
2. You could flip it or just mist the cakes and not bottom water
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: 1. If you do it other way around you might have added too much water the cake pushes the extra up and over. Or you'll be topping it up. Cake in first you can get it right every time.
2. You could flip it or just mist the cakes and not bottom water
Makes sense. The cake in question has some good pins on the top as well as the ones growing from near the bottom so it sounds like the answer to is forget bottom watering for this flush and stick to good ole misting.
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I hate to bring back an old, dead thread but I am currently using this bottom watering TEK and I think I am getting some odd results?
I am using the BRF TEK in an SGFC, misting and fanning now for two weeks. I have a fair amount of pins and more seem to pop up daily. The pins that are currently on the side/top seem a little dry, and when I flip the cakes over to reveal the part in the water, I have a bunch of healthy-looking pins and hyphal knots! I can't just keep flipping these cakes over though... is this to be expected? some of my larger pins seem to have stalled out but don't quite look like aborts. This is my second attempt at a grow
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Puhzuzu]
#26600580 - 04/14/20 01:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Post pictures so we can see your whole setup.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Sockadin]
#26600725 - 04/14/20 02:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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 The full set up

 This is the one that i turned upside down because of these pins
 The two large pins seem broken? And kind of yellowing
They may look properly hydrated in these because I took the pictures after making the post and after misting again. I may not be misting as heavily as necessary to keep the verm moist?
Edited by Puhzuzu (04/14/20 02:37 PM)
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Puhzuzu]
#26600730 - 04/14/20 02:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is the lid off just for the pics or do you keep it off all the time? Looks dry in there
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: fahtster]
#26600736 - 04/14/20 02:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
fahtster said: Is the lid off just for the pics or do you keep it off all the time? Looks dry in there
It's off just for the pictures
Should I be misting the sides of the SGFC as well as the cakes?
Edited by Puhzuzu (04/14/20 02:41 PM)
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Puhzuzu]
#26600754 - 04/14/20 02:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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If your perlite is dry, I would. I don’t think it would hurt anything, but I’m not super familiar with sgfc’s.. maybe the walls are suppose to be dry. There is a lot of holes in them for evaporation. I’m just use to seeing condensation on walls of Fc’s
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: fahtster]
#26600805 - 04/14/20 03:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
fahtster said: If your perlite is dry, I would. I don’t think it would hurt anything, but I’m not super familiar with sgfc’s.. maybe the walls are suppose to be dry. There is a lot of holes in them for evaporation. I’m just use to seeing condensation on walls of Fc’s
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Do you think it would be worth while to rehydrate the perlite? just pouring some water into it
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Puhzuzu]
#26600851 - 04/14/20 03:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are there holes in the bottom of the tub? If so, pouring water might not be the best idea as it’ll just drain right out. Probably a better bet to mist the perlite instead of pouring water into it if it’s dry
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: fahtster]
#26600866 - 04/14/20 03:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are, but there's also a healthy layer of about 5inches of perlite. Two weeks into SGFC and I'm pretty sure I'm going to try a monotub next time
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Puhzuzu]
#26626551 - 04/25/20 08:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So with this method, there is only ONE big flush? Am I understand this correctly? No need to sunk in the water between flushes?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
#27221778 - 02/23/21 07:53 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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what are chances of infection when i refill water?
-------------------- just wanna know where to get spore syrgine and chamber stuff
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