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Friskydingo2525
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057112 - 02/01/17 12:12 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Friskydingo2525
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057120 - 02/01/17 12:14 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry for the repeat upload pics. Some of them didnt work right when i added them so it skipped a few and instead added repeats of others
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057180 - 02/01/17 12:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Friskydingo2525 said: Cakes super saturated. Gelatin/slime on the bottom. As soon as i saw pins i have my gf start bottom watering (as i was in the hospital. She says she kept up a 2 mist 5-6 fan schedule and just filled up the tins as the shrooms drank them. But my pins that are tuning to fruits seems stalled. Nothings really growed much in about a week. A few may be green is. A few have gelatin on the bottom. And all seem super saturated and overly wet. A few fruits on the bottom look like they might be starting to turn green. Any advice guys? Did my bottom watering fuck it up? They looked great untill now.




 
I only see pins on one of your cakes man Other than that I don't notice any visable damage to your cakes. They will naturally be more slimy where they sit in the water. How long is stalled?
Edit nvm I see them now. Stalled for a week? There has to be something else at work here... hopefully someone else can chime in about that
Either way you'll want to discontinue bottom watering untill you start seeing some growth.
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Friskydingo2525
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057249 - 02/01/17 12:59 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats exactly what i was thinking. Everything else is per tek. And prior to me being the hospital, things were looking great. Now its looking like i may have to abandon this batch and start over. Too many variables. I left my gf in charge with strict instructions. But that leave a huge window where im just relying on work of mouth.:/
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057256 - 02/01/17 01:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you have any links to good threads with showing obvious defferences between green and blue? I cant seem to tell the difference. It all looks greenish blue to me in the bad spots
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057271 - 02/01/17 01:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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When its bruising itll b just that a bruise, trich will appear as almost a scab layer on the surface, i dnt got ne links sorry. Just giver a little searchy
Here i found a good one for ya https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#24057348 - 02/01/17 01:37 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Standing water breeds bacteria
Sorry CBK, no bueno on this, we stopped doing it a very long time ago and last week had 3 people struggling.. they got wet bacterial fruits out the bottom.. thank you for your efforts maybe it'll work for people in really dry environments I dunno
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Adden]
#24057366 - 02/01/17 01:45 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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all it needs is a change to bottom water for 2-3 hours at a time(as needed) then dump the water and replace the cake on the foil/lid with no standing water.
if gelatin forms you did it wrong way wrong
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Adden] 1
#24057415 - 02/01/17 02:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey Adden Don't know how you missed this just a few posts up from that quote.  Your quote was pasty answering the question why it's important to change the water every 24 hours.
The standing water shouldn't be an issue when bottom watering if the cakes are using it.
In this case it seems as though the pins aborted for some reason and aren't using the water, which is why the cakes have become over saturated.
I believe there are other forces at work here. But I have been wrong in the past...
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057506 - 02/01/17 02:46 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks marmie. But i have that page bookmarked already and reference it daily lol. It doesnt look scabby. Its on the myc level. Its not risen above it. Its just darker than the blue i had seen on them previously when they were dry. Thanks for all the imput. I think thats the issue. The first couple of days, they drank up the water. Even encouraged several large fruits to grow in the water. But at somepoint, they stopped growing and no longer needed the water, thus over saturating the cakes. So ive put them back on the lids only. Ive done no misting since ive been home. Only fanning. Does any of this look salvagable guys?
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Adden] 1
#24057558 - 02/01/17 03:12 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Adden said:
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Pastywhyte said: Standing water breeds bacteria
Sorry CBK, no bueno on this, we stopped doing it a very long time ago and last week had 3 people struggling.. they got wet bacterial fruits out the bottom.. thank you for your efforts maybe it'll work for people in really dry environments I dunno
Lol I live in the UK couldnt get much wetter environment bottom watering works fine for me. I change water each morning when I wake up then again around 8pm. Never got any bacterial problems.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057563 - 02/01/17 03:13 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Aslong as it dont trich out on ya it shld bounce back in a day or so , ive done sumthing similar before n it all worked out , jst dont mess with it n let it do its thang, good luck
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24057618 - 02/01/17 03:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's a proven method for sure.
But if three people in a week were struggling with it then I definitely need to edit the write up in some way. Maybe a disclaimer somewhere Depending on how these members were struggling of course...
On another note. Here's a pic I posted in pic of the day a couple days ago.
First flush MS syringe 1/4 pint PF cake

I thought it was neat that these suckers ended up bigger than the substrate they were growing out of anyway
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: ComebackKid]
#24057636 - 02/01/17 03:44 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats freaking sweet mate
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057704 - 02/01/17 04:16 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Deff gonna do the bottom watering. Because for a couple days it turned a couple pins into fat meaty fruits. But im going on a as needed basis now. Perhaps 2-3 hrs a day before night during the temp drop in their cycle
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057708 - 02/01/17 04:17 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im also thinking maybe my pinset wasnt big enough to need the excess water
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: Friskydingo2525]
#24057715 - 02/01/17 04:18 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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[Friskydingo2525 said: Deff gonna do the bottom watering. Because for a couple days it turned a couple pins into fat meaty fruits. But im going on a as needed basis now. Perhaps 2-3 hrs a day before night during the temp drop in their cycle
Exactly how Its done
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24057810 - 02/01/17 04:55 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sweet. I will implement this as soon as the cakes arent on the edge of destruction
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK's bottom watering tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#24059988 - 02/02/17 11:50 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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So my next grow after this, well wish I had pics. I took 2 of those big foil "roaster pans" with the clear plastic tall lids. They were like 16inch by 11. I took a total of 16 of my 1/2 pint pf cakes and used them. Crumbled 8 for each and mixed with 1 full QT of coir each and cased with verm. Basically mini-mono tubs. They each went 5 or 6 flushes without trich. 1st flush off each was right around 1.5 oz dry off each tray. So that was equivilent to 8 of my pint pf cakes, as far as sub used, but yield was very much better for me.
Even just crumbling cakes into coir at a 2:1 spawn:coir ratio gets you a hell of a lot more. Any of you can do this. In past I did same thing but mixed in only verm and yield was still way better than cakes alone. At the end of my cakes I took w pint cakes, that were slow growing cause it had bacteria. Did this in a butter dish. Pulled 3/4 dry oz off it befor trich hit. I meen hell I new they were bad, probably wouldn't have done shit as cakes but I got some thing out of them.
I got 18QT of spawn that I will make up into trays this weekend/early next week. I will try to do a grow log. This is a good "next step" after cakes, and it allows you to use little spawn to do trial grows. I succeded with these while 1st attempt at mini-mono tubs, well didn't turn out so well.
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Re: Foil VS. Lids / CBK bottom watering tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24060616 - 02/02/17 04:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: On the one hand it's sad that something this simple needs it's own tek. . .on the other hand I'm tired of describing this to people over and over again. Now I can just link this.
Good job 
Why would you endorse this? I admire CBK's efforts to reinvent the wheel, and try to help people, but every grow log I see doing this leaves fragile bacterial fruits that take forever to pin/die. It does nothing beneficial that can't be done with a dunk and misting. Even then it'd have to be a hot and dry environment with constant air flow for this to be a reasonable solution to anything whatsoever. We used to do this 15 years ago. We stopped doing it because it sucks and raises failure and bacterial rates.
The only bottom-watering that should be done is if a cake needs hydration, and placed in a shallow dish to soak up what it needs.. even then in rare circumstances or with thirsty varieties like ksss or pe, or when people just do it wrong.
You guys are reorganizing everything for a solid front page but outdated stuff like this is called a tek and proven over and over to be failures and a waste of time. I'm disappointed this thread has so many views because it's that many more people I'm gonna have to deal with in 5 weeks on how to fix their grow.
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