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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23793283 - 11/01/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Dun Dun DUUUNNNN


From the link on Trout's page:
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New mescaline concentrations from 14 taxa/cultivars of Echinopsis spp. (Cactaceae) (“San Pedro”) and their relevance to shamanic practice



Unfortunatly, it's $35 for the write up of the results, but some universities may get free access to it. It was on the Science Direct site.
Free access if you are:
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    healthcare practitioner
    interested in pay-per-view article purchase
    researcher or librarian
    student or faculty member
    visitor or subscriber to the website"

Not sure what that last line means. But hopefully someone here can qualify to grab a copy and share some results.





https://www.researchgate.net/publication/45269732_New_mescaline_concentrations_from_14_taxacultivars_of_Echinopsis_spp_Cactaceae_San_Pedro_and_their_relevance_to_shamanic_practice

problem is aside from Juul’s Giant most of the cuttings they used were random pach from market or no name plant from wherever. it gives a good overview of the average range for each species but not the activity of a established known clone...cept Juul’s Giant, which is good as we know its at least capable of reaching 1.4% but then again Juul’s Giant was a name people used to use for any fat pach so that particular cut might not be the best. i was thinking more something like SS01-01-03 ect since the original vendor is still around and you know if you get it from them you get the real thing.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23793290 - 11/01/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Spore Ninja said:
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DGB said:
I think towards the end there he started talking about identifying new alkaloids, which would take a lot of time but he's also going after exact spectrum analysis, to give exact % of contents and which is or isn't present and what each does. Because from the way he's talking about it sounds like he's describing isolation of unknown alkaloids.

The list we were talking about is less about exact spectrum break down and identification values and more just is said plant active or not.


*obtain X known cutting from known vendor Y*
*eat X cutting from known vendor Y*
*Wait*
*Report* " X cutting from known vendor Y was active for me" or " X cutting from known vendor Y was not active for me"
*repeat with multiple people* if 2 or more people come back to say "X cutting from known vendor Y was active for me" we can probably add it to the list of active clones.  The hang up is currently very few people are willing to come forward and say " X cutting from known vendor Y was active for me"



I understand what you're saying, but I think the same methods would be used for testing just for the primary alkaloid.
and
A) There's a LOT of variety and even outright misrepresentation of different strains/species.
B) there are a LOT of variables that affect the alkaloid score.

So using a top quality source/vendor would be the best way to guarantee quality.
It's still somewhat of a crapshoot- but at least you have much better odds that way.

or go the budget route and take your chances. Buy a bunch of different types and keep working through them until you find one you like.




well yes that's why i wanted to create a database for known cuttings, assuming you get it though the original seller or other reputable vendor and are in fact getting what its advertised as you would have a point of reference on activity. at least on shroomery you would not be able to include the vendor or source but that could easily be found if you know what your looking for. im kinda assuming people would be getting said cutting though a good verified vendor and not some auction site with a seller based out of china selling "rare super special mega Juuls Giant"


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23793659 - 11/02/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Seems like all other trichs. Or pachs. Most vendors will ass rape. But its just the way ot goes.



I would go with what ferrel says, he knows his shit.

Most marketers tend to name their products differently just to sell it for more. Which works like a charm tbh.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23793698 - 11/02/16 04:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Teemo 6T3 said:
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ferrel_human said:
Seems like all other trichs. Or pachs. Most vendors will ass rape. But its just the way ot goes.



I would go with what ferrel says, he knows his shit.

Most marketers tend to name their products differently just to sell it for more. Which works like a charm tbh.





Well yes, and that’s kind of why I'm trying to gather this type of information in one place, so people can come forward and say if a named cut is bunk or not, too give feedback on what theve tried and I'm assuming you're going to buy said cutting from a known/reputable vendor and not an auction site or something like that. It’s a little hard with shroomerys no vendor rule but say for something like SS01 if you get it from a "certain vendor" you can be pretty confident you're getting what was advertised.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #23793810 - 11/02/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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..i was thinking more something like SS01-01-03 ect since the original vendor is still around and you know if you get it from them you get the real thing.




And this was why I had confidence in the correct identification of the Ogunbodede clone I obtained.

These desired clones are out there, and it will just take time for there to be enough to go around.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #23794593 - 11/02/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

DGB said:
Quote:

Spore Ninja said:
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DGB said:
I think towards the end there he started talking about identifying new alkaloids, which would take a lot of time but he's also going after exact spectrum analysis, to give exact % of contents and which is or isn't present and what each does. Because from the way he's talking about it sounds like he's describing isolation of unknown alkaloids.

The list we were talking about is less about exact spectrum break down and identification values and more just is said plant active or not.


*obtain X known cutting from known vendor Y*
*eat X cutting from known vendor Y*
*Wait*
*Report* " X cutting from known vendor Y was active for me" or " X cutting from known vendor Y was not active for me"
*repeat with multiple people* if 2 or more people come back to say "X cutting from known vendor Y was active for me" we can probably add it to the list of active clones.  The hang up is currently very few people are willing to come forward and say " X cutting from known vendor Y was active for me"



I understand what you're saying, but I think the same methods would be used for testing just for the primary alkaloid.
and
A) There's a LOT of variety and even outright misrepresentation of different strains/species.
B) there are a LOT of variables that affect the alkaloid score.

So using a top quality source/vendor would be the best way to guarantee quality.
It's still somewhat of a crapshoot- but at least you have much better odds that way.

or go the budget route and take your chances. Buy a bunch of different types and keep working through them until you find one you like.




well yes that's why i wanted to create a database for known cuttings, assuming you get it though the original seller or other reputable vendor and are in fact getting what its advertised as you would have a point of reference on activity. at least on shroomery you would not be able to include the vendor or source but that could easily be found if you know what your looking for. im kinda assuming people would be getting said cutting though a good verified vendor and not some auction site with a seller based out of china selling "rare super special mega Juuls Giant"




Great find on the article!

So next you have to decide on a methodology- do you want to pick 3-5 varieties/cultivars and concentrate on them, or- do you ant to try to screen 10 or more to find some good ones??

We also need to somehow account for fluctuations in content due to season , watering patterns and who know hat other variables.

I'd say picking 3 or 4 well known ones and finding good representative samples would be the best route.

We're going to need solid vendors for this though...not just random ebay guys.

Has anyone done any DNA analysis on the cacti? I saw Rockefeller post some genetic tree charts of mushrooms awhile back...anything similar for the cactus?


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23795989 - 11/02/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

OK, so far if I had to pick what to put my money on, I think I'd pick some Juuls, the mallacht OTB, and Lumberjack. Not sure if that last one is an exclusive or not.
Those would be the ones from cuttings, but seeds open up more possibilities, especially with regard to hybrids. I'd probably avoid any of the F2 hybrids though. One of the vendors has 3 or more pages of seeds, so it's taking me awhile to compare them all. I was surprised at how vast a selection they had.

And I'd include  Ogunbodede in the list, but it seems to be grown in unobtainium...so only time will tell on that one

Edit to add: yeahh.. Juuls may have been a hasty decision...maybe I'd add a hybrid to the list instead. The bridgesii seem to to be the best bets so far... still looking through the seed list... this makes cannabis looks simple...


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23796259 - 11/02/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There are several different plants in trade under the name Juul's Giant. However the original, authentic one matches the variety described as Juul's Giant (A) in Trout's Notes on San Pedro. While it is certainly active it is weaker than a standard bridgesii, though the quality of the experience is very nice. Not sure that it would go at the top of the list for a must have variety.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23796272 - 11/02/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18005647/fpart/290/vc/1#18005647

per milktruck

"Have personally eaten ss01, ss02, juuls, fields macro, some typical peru, and a few typical bridgesii and pachanoi. All prepared the same. Way, boiled down over six hours or so to a couple shots Worth of snotty goop (bridgesii "shots" tend to be MUCH thinner consistency and much easier to get down faster as well. Also lends itself to less stomach discomfort because it passes through the GI much quicker than the usual thick, goopy, snot like liquid)

On the whole, bridgesii and the brige hybrids, IMO of course, are by far the trichos with the highest shamanic efficacy

Ss02 was on the potent side of average for bridgesii, juuls is pretty good but ss02 and ss01 are more potent, Fields Macro is pretty insanely potent for a torch variety. And I've heard through the grape vine,from respectable people, the OTB Bridgesii is the most potent cactus pretty much anyone that's had it has ever had, a few inches is good and strong..but sadly this is only hear-say coming from me..haven't been able to get ahold of it...I also hear great things is psycho and Eileen.. Yowie Pachanoi is supposed to be insanely good,as well as landfill.

Out of cacti I've eaten that have been well active juuls was the weakest, but still active enough to boil to an easily drinkable amount. I tend to dose everything but bridgesii by weight, but that's just because bridgesii IS consistent enough to dose by length 90% of the time

There seem to be three main things that lend to naming a clone, abnormally high weather and cold resistance, oddity in appearance, or ridiculous fuck off levels of potency xD "




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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23796572 - 11/03/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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OK, so far if I had to pick what to put my money on, I think I'd pick some Juuls, the mallacht OTB, and Lumberjack. Not sure if that last one is an exclusive or not.
Those would be the ones from cuttings, but seeds open up more possibilities, especially with regard to hybrids. I'd probably avoid any of the F2 hybrids though. One of the vendors has 5 or more pages of seeds, so it's taking me awhile to compare them all. I was surprised at how vast a selection they had.

And I'd include  Ogunbodede in the list, but it seems to be grown in unobtainium...so only time will tell on that one






Originally when I first started researching the clones out there I decided early on I wanted an SS02 at the least, and since I was going to be getting that from a ..certain vendor, I figured I might as well get some other things, because of my area I wanted a Pachanoi because of its water resistance and fast growth, I was thinking of maybe Torres & Torres or a Kimnach cut and depending on the price maybe an SS01 too just so I could say I own a Peruvian torch.

After more researching I decided instead of the SS01 I wanted to get a Lumberjack instead since it kept coming up as very potent every time it was mentioned. Like juul's giant The OTB was of interest but at the time I considered it to have too many unknows, too many variables to seriously consider it without more 3rd party feedback.

Although due to multiple resent…revelations in the past day I think I'm going to rethink my plan.

I'm thinking, I still want to go for the SS02 and try my luck with getting a small Ogunbodode cut, that would cover a Bridgesii and a future Pachanoi once it gets up to size, if either one lives up to the hype that should basically make me set, everything after whether it turns out bunk or not is just research so from there I would forgo the SS01 and save up for either a Lumberjack, OTB, or maybe a landfill but I would hopefully already have a Pachanoi so probably not, I guess it depends on how OTB compares to a Lumberjack. Does it really live up to the hype and is it really that much better genetics to warrant the price difference.

Hopefully there's more info out there and people willing to come forward on what thieve tried.

TLDR I think I'll try for an SS02, Ogunbodode and +- OTB or lumberjack.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #23796680 - 11/03/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Another thing is people have reported that Elieen, and psycho are really strong but these where from the original mother plant that was very thick cuttings. Most people consider them common potency but with fast growth which is a plus. If you have tye time growing from seed is a great route to go


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #23796707 - 11/03/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lots of free advertising in this thread.

I thought we weren't supposed to discuss commercial suppliers.

Huh........weird.



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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #23797197 - 11/03/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Another thing is people have reported that Elieen, and psycho are really strong but these where from the original mother plant that was very thick cuttings. Most people consider them common potency but with fast growth which is a plus. If you have tye time growing from seed is a great route to go





i ordered 30something s pachXpach seeds about 2 weeks ago. when they came in there ware actually 300+. so i have those all growing now, as far as i can see most if not all have sprouted already. so in 3-4 years ill have more then enough to go though. iv been also thinking of getting some Bridgesii seeds when i get my ss02


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #23898777 - 12/06/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So, I ended up getting an SS01,SS02,penis plant,OTB,Lumberjack,juuls giant, pach crested clone A, and a cuzcoensis. I'm still looking at getting an SS-Ogunbodode but at $45 for a 6inch cut I'm a little uncertain, like if this is actually the same cut that everyone talks about and if it is actually as good as the hype says. I know there are a bunch of cuttings floating around the community from multiple people showing pics but so far no one seems to have tried it yet, I've seen a bunch of "I've heard" or "my friend said" but no firsthand accounts.

What do people think? Is it worth getting?


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #23898782 - 12/06/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So, I ended up getting an SS01,SS02,penis plant,OTB,Lumberjack,juuls giant, pach crested clone A, and a cuzcoensis. I'm still looking at getting an SS-Ogunbodode but at $45 for a 6inch cut I'm a little uncertain, like if this is actually the same cut that everyone talks about and if it is actually as good as the hype says. I know there are a bunch of cuttings floating around the community from multiple people showing pics but so far no one seems to have tried it yet, I've seen a bunch of "I've heard" or "my friend said" but no firsthand accounts.

What do people think? Is it worth getting?




Meh. Get it. Fuckit. Why not?


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23898789 - 12/06/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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ferrel_human said:
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DGB said:
So, I ended up getting an SS01,SS02,penis plant,OTB,Lumberjack,juuls giant, pach crested clone A, and a cuzcoensis. I'm still looking at getting an SS-Ogunbodode but at $45 for a 6inch cut I'm a little uncertain, like if this is actually the same cut that everyone talks about and if it is actually as good as the hype says. I know there are a bunch of cuttings floating around the community from multiple people showing pics but so far no one seems to have tried it yet, I've seen a bunch of "I've heard" or "my friend said" but no firsthand accounts.

What do people think? Is it worth getting?




Meh. Get it. Fuckit. Why not?




Because it’s a $45 plus shipping cutting that is the hype is real would make it worth a try. But if it is just hype I might as well just buy something else. people do have them just wondering if anyone has verified the hype or not.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #23898806 - 12/06/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

People by the cut. Named cut. Tried cut. Its expensive but worth it, it seems. Why dont you just find a clone? Somwthing good that you know.

Goodluck with what wver you decide.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23899388 - 12/06/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I can't wait to try Ogunbodede I'm patient with him though :smile: I'm just propogating the shit out of him right now.
gonna straight up eat a foot and let him have at me lol

anyone know if the BBB clone from ma "buthole"is strong?


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: drakenov]
    #23899463 - 12/06/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Reputable purveyors I would trust.

I wouldn't buy an SS-Ogunbodode cut off eBay and think I got the real thing though...

And mine should be here soon.  :tongue:


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