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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: naum]
    #24005550 - 01/12/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

There's a lot of good knowledge being shared here today. Thanks to all.

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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #24006398 - 01/13/17 07:13 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

For those asking about LER potency. I've never had a nonpc pachanoi disappoint me. I do tend to use 18 inches of thick cuttings but it provides a very strong experience; 12 inches should be enough of any nonpc if it is mature.

For those that have the patience to grow from seed I'd do what another member suggested. Grow bulk from any cross or generic seeds you like and the strongest and healthiest in your climate should be prioritized then choose potency and appearance. I've grown clones in the past but tend to do shitty here due to high humidity but my seed grown and localized clones do amazing and grow faster. If I'm lucky might test my favorite seed grown bridgessi this year or next. Grew more then 20 inches last year beating everything else I have by more then a foot.

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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #24006570 - 01/13/17 08:48 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Thanks for the info shaman!! Effing pc.. 18 inches of some kind of pach was enough fo my first experience! I've been chasing it ever since.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #24008560 - 01/14/17 12:25 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

So Icaros would be the most potent named Peruvian?


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24008976 - 01/14/17 06:34 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

No icaros is more of a locality then anything else. There are multiple clones of icaros all varying in potency. Now which is the strongest Peruvian idk but icaros. Rosii 1-2, are the most popular and they are all visually stunning with nice spines and hue.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #24010988 - 01/14/17 10:14 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Il leave these here as well!


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: nolongrlurkin] * 1
    #24011572 - 01/15/17 09:12 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)



Same
Icaros X Icaros & sso2xsso1x LER pictured


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24012114 - 01/15/17 12:29 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

you graft'em young !!! the seed coat is still stick to that poor embryon haha !


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: sidvivius]
    #24012122 - 01/15/17 12:31 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I hear you don't have much time w albinos!


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24012201 - 01/15/17 01:09 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Same
Icaros X Icaros & sso2xsso1x LER pictured




So your icarosXicaros poped out some albinos? Mine was like 90% but i did start getting a few normals.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #24012216 - 01/15/17 01:16 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Yep! I'd say 60 percent were albino! And still coming up


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24013660 - 01/16/17 02:15 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Yep! I'd say 60 percent were albino! And still coming up



Those are more than likely not albinos, they are not that common in any circumstance. I would wait a couple of weeks before grafting them or you'll soon run out of grafting stock with seedlings that will soon turn out pretty normal (and besides, the failure rate with seedlings that young is pretty high).


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: LSoares]
    #24014093 - 01/16/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Lsoares there have been some trichocereus crosses that have produced very high albino seedlings which I personally don't like as I see them as weak genetics. Variegated is alright by me and some of those albinos may in fact be variegated.

BTW you can wait at least two weeks to graft them Any that die  before wouldn't sure survive grafting anyways. IME


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #24014158 - 01/16/17 09:42 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Do those graft pics not look albino to you? I heard u have about a week after they sprout, I checked the grafts today not looking too bad hopefully one takes


My sso2xsso1 X ler put out only 1 albino out of 50 or so


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24014757 - 01/16/17 01:34 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Yea these are albinos and there are a couple companies right now producing a LOT of albino seedlings. I understand your view of them Modern but I want to grow 1 out to adult size being as they're so rare and spread the genetics as a rarity although I know there are others working on the same thing. I wonder if the color has anything to do with the potency???


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: spaceman101] * 1
    #24078968 - 02/10/17 06:25 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

It sure is frustrating seeing all the named clones with hardly any bioassay info. In Australia it is worse I think. Legislation makes it liable for someone from Qld for instance to write anything about their experiences.

NSW peyote is legal to grow along with Victoria. Shaman Australis forums had info about Trichocereus named clones alkaloid content. Then for legal reasons it was all wiped off their forums.

From what I have read there is plenty of people in the know about cactus potency in Australia but they can't talk about it on the internet. Eileen was listed as having greater than 2% alkaloids on extraction. When you think its a bridge cross it kind of leads to pachanoi having been the crossing partner with a bridgesii to get such a high assay.

Of course that's just assumption on my part. All I can say is don't trust the named clone because a lot of the time the name was coined just to keep track of it. I'm wondering if pachanoi clone Yowie has some bridgesii in it. Or if it's some kind a hybrid. The weird downward spines look different.

It even starts like a bridgesii and finishes like a pachanoi. My favourite pachanoi is an un named one.

What I don't like is tasting named clones that are weak. So far they have one thing in common to me. They taste worse than potent ones. That disgusting tangy liquid spew taste of cuzcoensis masquerading as a peruvianus.

Lance tastes foul. Not worth the trouble. More like weak dope in effect. Con was really up for a bridgesii. Tig was powerful and a bit too dark for me. Huanucoensis x bridgesii was more up than bridgesii.

People that won't cut their cactus are not profiting from all the pups that they can produce. The speed the pups grow at certainly makes up for the sacrifice.

I like this thread because its at the heart of why most people grow trichocereus in the first place. I'm a new comer to cactus so I don't have the reservations of those who are wise and in the know. That's my disclaimer along with the diagnosis that I have mental problems. :rolleyes:


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Heyowana]
    #24079117 - 02/10/17 08:28 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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It sure is frustrating seeing all the named clones with hardly any bioassay info. In Australia it is worse I think. Legislation makes it liable for someone from Qld for instance to write anything about their experiences.

NSW peyote is legal to grow along with Victoria. Shaman Australis forums had info about Trichocereus named clones alkaloid content. Then for legal reasons it was all wiped off their forums.

From what I have read there is plenty of people in the know about cactus potency in Australia but they can't talk about it on the internet. Eileen was listed as having greater than 2% alkaloids on extraction. When you think its a bridge cross it kind of leads to pachanoi having been the crossing partner with a bridgesii to get such a high assay.

Of course that's just assumption on my part. All I can say is don't trust the named clone because a lot of the time the name was coined just to keep track of it. I'm wondering if pachanoi clone Yowie has some bridgesii in it. Or if it's some kind a hybrid. The weird downward spines look different.

It even starts like a bridgesii and finishes like a pachanoi. My favourite pachanoi is an un named one.

What I don't like is tasting named clones that are weak. So far they have one thing in common to me. They taste worse than potent ones. That disgusting tangy liquid spew taste of cuzcoensis masquerading as a peruvianus.

Lance tastes foul. Not worth the trouble. More like weak dope in effect. Con was really up for a bridgesii. Tig was powerful and a bit too dark for me. Huanucoensis x bridgesii was more up than bridgesii.

People that won't cut their cactus are not profiting from all the pups that they can produce. The speed the pups grow at certainly makes up for the sacrifice.

I like this thread because its at the heart of why most people grow trichocereus in the first place. I'm a new comer to cactus so I don't have the reservations of those who are wise and in the know. That's my disclaimer along with the diagnosis that I have mental problems. :rolleyes:




Thanks for sharing your perspective. Its crazy how knowledge is surpressed. And that suppression always comes with threat of force. Unfortunately many people's perspectives on plants and liberty are still very backwards.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Heyowana]
    #24080834 - 02/10/17 09:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Heyowana said:
It sure is frustrating seeing all the named clones with hardly any bioassay info. In Australia it is worse I think. Legislation makes it liable for someone from Qld for instance to write anything about their experiences.

NSW peyote is legal to grow along with Victoria. Shaman Australis forums had info about Trichocereus named clones alkaloid content. Then for legal reasons it was all wiped off their forums.

From what I have read there is plenty of people in the know about cactus potency in Australia but they can't talk about it on the internet. Eileen was listed as having greater than 2% alkaloids on extraction. When you think its a bridge cross it kind of leads to pachanoi having been the crossing partner with a bridgesii to get such a high assay.

Of course that's just assumption on my part. All I can say is don't trust the named clone because a lot of the time the name was coined just to keep track of it. I'm wondering if pachanoi clone Yowie has some bridgesii in it. Or if it's some kind a hybrid. The weird downward spines look different.

It even starts like a bridgesii and finishes like a pachanoi. My favourite pachanoi is an un named one.

What I don't like is tasting named clones that are weak. So far they have one thing in common to me. They taste worse than potent ones. That disgusting tangy liquid spew taste of cuzcoensis masquerading as a peruvianus.

Lance tastes foul. Not worth the trouble. More like weak dope in effect. Con was really up for a bridgesii. Tig was powerful and a bit too dark for me. Huanucoensis x bridgesii was more up than bridgesii.

People that won't cut their cactus are not profiting from all the pups that they can produce. The speed the pups grow at certainly makes up for the sacrifice.

I like this thread because its at the heart of why most people grow trichocereus in the first place. I'm a new comer to cactus so I don't have the reservations of those who are wise and in the know. That's my disclaimer along with the diagnosis that I have mental problems. :rolleyes:






Thank you for sharing Bro! That is sad to know the Government is suppressing info on potency's. Especially on the Highly sought after Aus clones :nonono:


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #24081302 - 02/11/17 02:22 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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For those asking about LER potency. I've never had a nonpc pachanoi disappoint me. I do tend to use 18 inches of thick cuttings but it provides a very strong experience; 12 inches should be enough of any nonpc if it is mature.

For those that have the patience to grow from seed I'd do what another member suggested. Grow bulk from any cross or generic seeds you like and the strongest and healthiest in your climate should be prioritized then choose potency and appearance. I've grown clones in the past but tend to do shitty here due to high humidity but my seed grown and localized clones do amazing and grow faster. If I'm lucky might test my favorite seed grown bridgessi this year or next. Grew more then 20 inches last year beating everything else I have by more then a foot.

For those in AZ desert use shade your sun is too intense.




I agree about growing seedlings. I started off 100 Matucana pachanoi seeds. They are about 15 months old now. 36 are out in the garden and thriving. Tallest is 4 inches. Plus another 20 or more spare ones.

I acquired 10 Icaro seedlings averaging 4 inches height 2 years ago. Tallest are 2 feet now and very thick. So those Matucana pachanoi seedlings might be two feet in a couple of years. Then add another year and they should be right for sampling.

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    #24384044 - 06/06/17 11:44 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)



Some more in-depth info, analysis done by user Urtica on dmt nexus, (full write up see original posts)  https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71353 ; seems to be an ongoing project, last post was today. (content edited to remove vendor source and extraction tek)
#1 = T bridgesii

RESULTS: Yield 0.06% fresh, if dried it would have contained 1.2% dry
Quantification of extract showed 59% mescaline + (unquantified) DMPEA


#2 = T pachanoi 'PC'

RESULTS: Yield 0.00816% fresh, 0.16% dry weight, out of which only 1.6% was mescaline (In other words final yield of dry cact = 0.0016% mescaline)



[gradient:#C7D4C8,#]#3 = T pachanoi x peruvianus[/gradient]

RESULTS: Yield extremely low, unmeasured, but the content of the extract was 84% mescaline + palmitic acid

[gradient:#C7D4C8,#]#4 = T cuzcoensis JS04 cutting[/gradient]


RESULTS: Insignificant yield containing only traces mescaline (below limit of detection by GC-MS, traces detected by LC-MS but not quantified due to too low amounts)

#5 Trichocereus 'JS05'

I used a center cut, about one foot long, 3-4 inches wide, very spiny. It does have the swollen spines at the bottom like a lot of cuzcoensis.

The cut weighed in at 1340g fresh.


The product of this was a gooey oil that stilled smelled like oranges when I scraped it up, that smell faded however and now it smells like alkaloid.

The goo weighed ~ 125 mg. This weight may be very off because I tared the scale with a different razor blade than the one that the goo was on when I weighed it. Picture included.

This would make a fresh yield of 0.000093%. If 95% of this cactus is water weight, than it would be 0.0019% from dry material...

ENERGY CONTROL RESULTS: 1% of the crude extract is mescaline, there are also 3 other unknown alkaloids present

#6: Trichocereus spp "JS350"


810g center cut, I scraped up 413 mg of a beautiful clear powder, picture included.

Extraction #2

Same procedure. The cut weighed 720g

Weighed out to 134 mg. Picture included.

So, 0.0186% fresh, maybe 0.37% dry. I am assuming that the cactus would dry down the same as the one that I tested.

ENERY CONTROL RESULTS:54% of this extract was mescaline, with no other alkaloids present. So 0.01% fresh weight is mescaline, or ~100 mgs mescaline per kilo of cactus fresh. The powder from distilling off the d-limonene was 0% mescaline. 0.2% presumed dry weight of mescaline.

#7 Trichocereus werdermannianus

This is a big fat cut, ten inches long weighed in at 1820g, log cut, picture included.

I got 230 mg of a nice looking tannish powder at the end of it, picture included.

So, this would be a fresh yield of 0.013%, assumed dry yield of 0.25%.


ENERGY CONTROL RESULTS:48% of this extract was mescaline, another alkaloid was present which has been tentatively ID'd as hordenine. So 0.006% mescaline fresh or 60.65 mg mescaline per kilogram of fresh cactus. 0.12% presumed dry weight of mescaline.

#8 Trichocereus lumberjackius

I used two 10 inch cuttings, the two shown in the picture. They weighed 1430g total.

881 mg of a darker tan colored powder, picture included.

So that is a fresh yield of 0.0616%, presumed dry yield of 1.23%

ENERGY CONTROL RESULTS: 62% of this extract was mescaline, and there was another unknown alkaloid peak. So 0.038% mescaline fresh, or 380 mg mescaline per kilo of fresh cactus. 0.77% mescaline from dry material (presumed).

#9Trichocereus macrogonus 'RS0004'

A four inch cutting weighed 375g.

The other was sixteen and a half inches long, weighed 610g, and was very skinny and green colored.

I ended up with 458 mg of a light tannish powder, smells right. Picture included.

RS0004's had a fresh yield of 0.0468%, and a presumed dry yield of 0.9299%,
ENERGY CONTROL RESULTS: 57% of this extract was mescaline, so 0.027% mescaline by fresh weight, presumed 0.53% mescaline by dry weight. 267.9 mg mescaline per kilogram fresh plant material. No other peaks.

#10 Trichocereus pachanoi 'LER'


I used a 12" cutting which weighed precisely 1000g

I got 255mg of tan xstals,

That is a fresh yield of 0.025%, presumed dry yield of 0.51%. Much better than the PC!

ENERGY CONTROL RESULTS: 43% of this extract was mescaline. So 0.011% mescaline by fresh weight, 0.22% mescaline by presumed dry weight. 107.5 mg mescaline per kilo of fresh cactus. No other peaks.

#11 T. cuzcoensis/peruvianus 'KK338'

I used 2 cuts, about 18 inches in total length. They weighed in at 1340g.

Yielded 191 mg of brown goo. Picture enclosed.
So, yield of 0.014% of presumably inactive goo, fresh.

Presumed 0.28% dry.

#12 Trichocereus sp. 'SS01 x SS02'


A one foot cutting and a ten inch cutting together weighed 1000g.

Yield was 475 mg of a yellowish crystalline powder.

So, 0.0475% fresh, 0.095% presumed dry of the crude extract.

#13 Trichocereus peruvianus "John"


A ten inch cutting weighed 1060g.

Yield was 187 mg of a tannish powder.

So, 0.018% fresh. 0.35% presumed dry.

#14 Trichocereus peruvianus JS209 "Poots #2"

Six inches weighed 1230g! It was the bottom six inches of a tip cut, so it was not woody, cut easily. This cut also sat for over a month.

Yield was 380 mg of a tannish powder.

So, 0.031% fresh. 0.62% presumed dry.

#15 Trichocereus pachanoi P.C Hutchinson 1597 Peru 57.0884


This 7.5 inch cutting weighed 990g.

Yield was 433 mg of really clean looking crystally powder.

That makes for a fresh % of 0.0437%. Presumed dry is 0.87%

#16 Trichocereus spp. "Ohlone"

This 1 foot cutting weighed 1820 g! Big fat guy, pretty blue. It does have big fuzzy areoles but it does have some kinda cuzco-y spination, some swollen bases.

I extracted as usual and ended up with 299 mg of a tannish crystalline powder.

So fresh is 0.017%, presumed dry is 0.33%.

#17Trichocereus bridgesii 'SS02'



Three cutting totaling 31 inches weighed 1130g.

904 mg of crude extract

This makes for a fresh yield of 0.08%, presumed dry yield of 1.6%.


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