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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23941770 - 12/19/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If they sell it in your area, and they have a lowes, get the crystal drain cleaner.

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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: amp244]
    #23941790 - 12/19/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If they sell it in your area, and they have a lowes, get the crystal drain cleaner.

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Ya, iv tried. Noone carries anything like that. Iv tryed lows, home depo, ace, ect ect iv looked though all brands and ingredients lists. They just dont sell it here at all. Even the soap/hobby stores said they dont/cant carry it anymore.

The only kind they sell is the one whoes ingredients lists the sodium hydroxide as "caustic" (like there really fooling anyone) but have a bunch of other crap like clorine,dye,some gel emulsifier ect.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #23941871 - 12/19/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would try making my own lye if I were in your shoes or idk fucked?

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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: drakenov] * 1
    #23942022 - 12/19/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just make sure you wear safety goggles, whatever you do.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: amp244]
    #23998502 - 01/10/17 03:15 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

More on named clones-- pachanoi LER traits include fat growth and easy flowering. Its been around since the nineties--who knows if it's more or less magical than the next..


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23999250 - 01/10/17 07:33 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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More on named clones-- pachanoi LER traits include fat growth and easy flowering. Its been around since the nineties--who knows if it's more or less magical than the next..




The heavy flowering is reason enough for any cactus grower living in a flower growing region.  Aside from that, I only have 1 rooting at the moment, but it is a nice thick cut.....so 50% confirmed lol


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: mandrin13]
    #23999256 - 01/10/17 07:35 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Thanks for the input mandrin!


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #24002456 - 01/11/17 09:20 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Out of 7 different crosses I started the Lers took off first


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24002672 - 01/11/17 11:01 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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Out of 7 different crosses I started the Lers took off first




Same, my oscar x ler seeds seemed to have the fastest germination of any of my crosses that iv planted.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #24002850 - 01/12/17 12:23 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

I noticed my Ler cross has had some of the best germination than almost any of the others (if not equal to the Icaros X (SS02XSS01))


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: spaceman101]
    #24003457 - 01/12/17 09:10 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

Mine were the sso2xsso1 X ler a few seedlings are up and the others are just starting :stoned:


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24003486 - 01/12/17 09:23 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

And back to named genetics, how much does it cost to test your cutting? And if someone was growing a garden solely for extraction where/if legal of course which cuttings would you run? Or would you try n start from scratch and pheno hunt in a sense.

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Those are the bigger cuttings I have 4-12"in and I have a pretty sweet seed collection /small seedlings of crosses , loph but I'm very interested in there magical properties & finding more info out on tested genetics and testing my own I'll be Gettn some more Wild pach cuttings like the ogun cut while I learn more but I would almost feel like it b a waste of time if I grew out a Peru and it turned out Cuzco where as other members wouldn't mind, maybe that will change soon, I'm baked like a cake good morning guys


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24003541 - 01/12/17 09:42 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

If you're starting from seed, I would run a little of everything.

Let survival in your climate be the first test, then let phenotypic appearance and good healthy growth be the next, and then once you have enough you can start to select based on standardized bioassay results.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: naum]
    #24003548 - 01/12/17 09:45 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

I'm in the high desert , thanks I'll def be doing that, so looks like I have some albinos not my icaros X Icaros how long can the albino seedlings hang out before they die/need to be grafted? I think I have a fat one in the ler X too


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24004212 - 01/12/17 02:01 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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how much does it cost to test your cutting?




While it seems you can test with a TLC, I don't know if there are places that really do this, I assume when most people say "testing", they mean consuming or extracting.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG] * 1
    #24004224 - 01/12/17 02:05 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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And back to named genetics, how much does it cost to test your cutting? And if someone was growing a garden solely for extraction where/if legal of course which cuttings would you run? Or would you try n start from scratch and pheno hunt in a sense.

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Pach X Peru


Those are the bigger cuttings I have 4-12"in and I have a pretty sweet seed collection /small seedlings of crosses , loph but I'm very interested in there magical properties & finding more info out on tested genetics and testing my own I'll be Gettn some more Wild pach cuttings like the ogun cut while I learn more but I would almost feel like it b a waste of time if I grew out a Peru and it turned out Cuzco where as other members wouldn't mind, maybe that will change soon, I'm baked like a cake good morning guys





If you plan on bulk extraction a super high potency strain probably isn't as important to you as opposed to if you were going to just eat it, since your processing the plant matter instead of having to eat all of it.

I mean an extraction would obviously output more from plant matter that has a high mescaline content to begin with but isn't as important as the eating route since you're not chugging 3 cups of cactus slime.
What I've read/been told and what I am doing is collecting and researching clones to help determine a high-quality stain to focus future propagation on but that is going to take a while once I settle on one.  But in the mean time I ordered a fuckton of bridge seeds and have planted those so in a few years I should have a reliable supply of plant matter to process.

I would basically keep growing until I run out of designated cacti room, then as time went on I would slowly test and start replacing the weakest cacti with clones from my other plants that are more powerful, each time you would replace the weakest with something stronger, eventually you would end up with a bunch of potent plant material, but that’s a very far out long term goal.

So it's up to you how you want to go about that, you said you had an ss02 already, according to anecdotal reports that one tends to be on the high side of potency, so you could always focus on growing and propagating that out, or if you plan on going for something supposedly stronger, the rumors are OTB,Landfill, and Ogunbode are more potent, by how much isn't really clear at this time, there isn't a lot of direct comparisons out there and only a few strains have been actually tested for mescaline percentages, we know Ogunbode tested at 5% at one time and juuls giant tested at 1.4% but that’s kind of all we have for named clones and ten there's the question of which juuls giant was tested since there are a bunch of cuts out there with that name and may not all be the same plant, and then you come back to the argument does it really matter which is most potent? Is it really that much more potent than the next cut, and is that worth the time and effort to get one, would it be better to have 1 expensive cut or just grow a bunch of cheaper cuts to get the same content? It could be arguing that multiple cuts would grow faster and produce more mescaline by weight then the single cut.

I guess it comes down to how much do you want to spend, or how much space do you have or how long are you willing to wait. As I mentioned iv settled on the plan of bulk grow some cheap stuff, buy and test some expensive stuff and slowly replace weak cuts with better ones from high end clones as those grow out. And again, I would probably prioritize a potent patch over a potent bridge because of the faster/thicker growth so my end result would probably be a back yard full of Ogunbode assuming it lives up to the hype.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
    #24004568 - 01/12/17 03:45 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

Awesome info thanks guys, I'm doing both starting seeds and trying to get the more potent named clones once established I can decided for myself what I wanna keep :rasta:


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: SHROOMYG]
    #24004790 - 01/12/17 04:59 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

Same story here but I've also fallen love with some that are claimed to be nearly inactive. Those spines though.

Ide like to get an otb and landfill but it seems I'm out of room for now..

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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: mandrin13]
    #24004822 - 01/12/17 05:11 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

We know enough to know that we don't know that much about the chemistry of cactus potency. A lot of the magic/potency is apparently not mescaline. As such, any sort of standardized assay should be a bioassay of tea or flesh always prepared the same way. A basic extract or even TLC based approach would only allow you to select primarily for mescaline content, not the other yet to be identified compounds which play a role in the full spectrum experience.


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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #24004848 - 01/12/17 05:17 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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icaros are different as they are almost considered a cultivar from seed. They are pretty uniform from seed; potency does differ a bit but visually quite uniform from seed.




I think icaros are distinctive, but I would hesitate to call them uniform. They had a lot of phenotypic variation at least back from the original seeds that I saw sourced as IcarosDNA.


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